tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-923571518579487836.post376510532685419768..comments2024-03-29T06:46:01.581-05:00Comments on UNSEALED - World News | Christian News | Prophecy Updates: Absolute Must Watch Series On The Signs In The HeavensGaryhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03907296435997404954noreply@blogger.comBlogger41125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-923571518579487836.post-56748367733771457252017-09-18T14:13:48.015-05:002017-09-18T14:13:48.015-05:00Forgot to mention, the guy in the above video also...Forgot to mention, the guy in the above video also reminded us how the Lord's prayer even has a reference to the last jubilee when as part of asking that God's will be done, we ask that our debts be forgiven. I'm assuming God's will is going to be fulfilled at the 120th jubilee.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-923571518579487836.post-32145038011631100292017-09-18T11:25:57.717-05:002017-09-18T11:25:57.717-05:00RE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9mLmJypqm4
A...RE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9mLmJypqm4<br /><br />Although not in Genesis & Revelation, here are two more things God appears to have orchestrated in reverse if I'm understanding things correctly<br /><br />The Jews were exiled 70 years after the start of the common era of Christ in 70 AD and regathered 70 years before the end of the age in 2017 (assuming 2017 is the year). <br /><br />Before Christ was crucified, in Mat 6:12 (KJV), the Lord's prayer shows his will being done first in earth (for the Jews?), then in heaven per https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/mat/6/12/t_conc_935010 but after Christ is crucified, where it appears in Luke 11:4 (KJV) it is reversed to show the Lord's will in heaven first (for the Church?), then earth (reversed) according to https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/luk/11/4/t_conc_984002 <br /><br />Some of the bible translations are corrupted and combine the words kingdom and earth despite their separate and individual appearance in the original text. <br /><br />I didn't discover this, but learned of it from this guy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7-451s2WI0<br />I don't agree with all of his teaching, but admire his diligence digging into the Word and coming up with some interesting tidbits that are definitely worth considering. He proposes that the Kingdom in "Nation against Nation and Kingdom against Kingdom" mentioned in Mat 24:7, Mark 13:8 and Luke 21:10 refers to the battle in the heavenly realm during the time nations are against each other before the rapture, and makes a good case for it. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-923571518579487836.post-16034873179081540842017-09-16T11:32:58.158-05:002017-09-16T11:32:58.158-05:00I highly encourage those on this site to subscribe...I highly encourage those on this site to subscribe to the youtube channel recommended in this article at https://www.youtube.com/user/bearbullboy/videos<br /><br />The latest video (only 16 minutes long) at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9mLmJypqm4 is amazing. He discusses how God voids the rule of primogeniture (I didn't know what that was either) to explain his plan of salvation. It's really amazing and after I heard it, a topic in the bible I never quite understood suddenly made sense. <br /><br />This guy only recently starting putting out videos, but they are chock full of revelation (no pun intended)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-923571518579487836.post-34895596062080639442017-09-14T15:35:44.397-05:002017-09-14T15:35:44.397-05:00The serving of the Lord by the Levites was in comp...The serving of the Lord by the Levites was in compensation to the Lord for sparing the firstborn of all Israel when they were in Egypt; so he took them in payment, in lieu of the Firsborn of Israel, IIRC.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-923571518579487836.post-3481418555780702622017-09-14T15:34:19.881-05:002017-09-14T15:34:19.881-05:00There is an analysis of this in the Forum.
Dan an...There is an analysis of this in the Forum.<br /><br />Dan and Ephraim are not listed in Revelation, but Levi and Joseph are.<br /><br />Levi was not supposed to be counted (census) amongst the Tribes populations or portioned land in Numbers, IIRC. Instead they were given 48 cities, and were to serve the Lord directly in the Temple.<br /><br />It begs the question, at the very least, of why Levi is listed as a Tribe in Revelation... there is no Temple to serve in?<br /><br />Also, there is a passage in one of the OT prophetic books about Ephraim, but I forget which passage. The general gist, again IIRC, is that Ephraim was cut off and ended up being repentant and begging to come back. It reminded me of the Trib saints.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-923571518579487836.post-52541626226297903982017-09-12T12:47:03.778-05:002017-09-12T12:47:03.778-05:00Also, Holy Spirit, not Holly Spirit. :P
But no wo...Also, Holy Spirit, not Holly Spirit. :P<br /><br />But no worries! Typos are forgiven!!! :P :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-923571518579487836.post-31477222341712195832017-09-12T12:38:10.021-05:002017-09-12T12:38:10.021-05:00So Sorry, of all places to do a miss spelling. Je...So Sorry, of all places to do a miss spelling. Jesus our Messiah!!!Sarah Tinkamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16167640050022639602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-923571518579487836.post-63650548979257647462017-09-12T12:32:20.709-05:002017-09-12T12:32:20.709-05:00All, I know that this very sign was in the sky dur...All, I know that this very sign was in the sky during the birth of Abraham and Jesus Christ with the exception of the full number of the 12 stars. In both EVENT's, and wonderful birth took place of two magnicicent people. This will be the THIRD (3 is one of God's numbers) time this Celestial occurance will will take place with the full fillment of the three extra stars, again the number three comes up. 1.Abraham a representation of the FATHER, 2.Jesus the Son & Meshia and 3. Holly Spirit could it be that those that have believed and received the Holly Spirit are represented in this completion of this Celestial allignment of September 23, 2017. As for myself will live and love and go on my daily life as God wills it and I pray for his return every minute of the day in this unclean world. But I will go on spreading his truth until the day of my death or His Return. Hoping and praying that we are the Revelation Generation.<br />Sarah Tinkamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16167640050022639602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-923571518579487836.post-89560467739600864042017-09-12T02:34:15.172-05:002017-09-12T02:34:15.172-05:00One of the first things I read the first time I vi...One of the first things I read the first time I visited this site was found in this article:<br />http://www.unsealed.org/p/the-sign.html<br /><br />A statement at the top of the article reads:<br /><br />"The counter below shows the countdown to the sign's fullest extent (in Jerusalem Time). This is not a countdown to the rapture, second coming, or any other end-of-the-world event, but only to the prophesied sign in the heavens, because we do not know for sure the exact day or hour of those events and they might happen many weeks or months after the sign."<br /><br />A question I'd like to ask Gary: Now that you've begun posting videos by people who believe that 9/23/2017 IS the day of the Rapture--who are thereby "date setting"--should I assume that you (Gary) now believe that as well? Just asking.<br /><br />Chuck Fhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08445244949701302380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-923571518579487836.post-36166675111400250142017-09-11T22:04:17.702-05:002017-09-11T22:04:17.702-05:00I see this Rev 12 sign as several flashback and fl...I see this Rev 12 sign as several flashback and flash forward dual fulfillments...as we read from verse 1-17.<br /><br />In my opinion..this is a warning for Israel and Christians to prepare for the tribulation ahead. I see this as bringing on the arrival of the antichrist as Michael wars against Satan and casts him and his 1/3 of the angels that follow him. <br /><br />We will be here witnessing this for MANY months. StanFosterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14000634427346272457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-923571518579487836.post-66245092351250208392017-09-11T19:11:56.883-05:002017-09-11T19:11:56.883-05:00Excellent video series. I had some down time toda...Excellent video series. I had some down time today. I watched all 6. <br /><br />I know everyone is freaking out about not setting dates...it surprised me when he said he believed that 9/23 would be the day. It got me thinking...Jesus expected the Jews to know the date of his first coming. Why not expect us to know the date (or really close to it) of his second coming/rapture? I love Chuck Missler's work on patterns in the bible. We need to be looking at the patterns and not getting our panties all bunched up. <br /><br />Just a pondering on Rev 12:4. "His tail swept down a third of the stars of heaven and cast them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was about to give birth, so that when she bore her child he might devour it." It appears that Satan is going to try and stop the rapture somehow. For some reason, I never thought about this potential. I know he won't be successful, but it appears he may try and stop it (like so many other times he tried to destroy God's plans for his chosen people).<br /><br />I find it interesting that Hurricane Jose (which means Jehovah Increasing) continues to stir in the Atlantic and one model is showing it striking the US on 9/21...<br /><br />Such interesting times we live in! It's hard to focus on anything else...KatieAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18262797448700817130noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-923571518579487836.post-82777883934597962662017-09-11T16:55:25.573-05:002017-09-11T16:55:25.573-05:00Amazing, video 5 is amazing! I have no other words...Amazing, video 5 is amazing! I have no other words.Matthewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01231266645636577442noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-923571518579487836.post-16603777066012281532017-09-11T03:51:44.862-05:002017-09-11T03:51:44.862-05:00YeshuaRules Gets Quoted: Part 2
" We don'...YeshuaRules Gets Quoted: Part 2<br /><br />" We don't need to wait for that last person to make a decision for Christ, that is ridiculous."<br /><br />Now wait a minute; if GOD knows the day of the Rapture (which He does), He *certainly* knows when the last Gentile "believes unto salvation", doesn't He? Therefore He knows the number of Gentiles which will actually comprise the ex-Gentile contingent of the Church. How is that "ridiculous"? Has it not been taught on this site that God knows every detail of everything there is? Why shouldn't He know how many Gentiles will believe unto salvation during the Church Age? Why should He leave the Church on earth any longer--on "HOLD" in effect--once that final ex-Gentile Church Age believer "comes in", making the Church complete, with no more members to come in? Remember; as long as the Church is on the earth, Daniel's 70th Seven cannot begin! Doesn't it seem reasonable that God would want to move things along? Of course, God knows the final number of believers drawn into the Church from the JEWS as well, but Paul--the apostle to the Gentiles--doesn't address that in Romans 11.<br /><br /><br />"As when God spoke of the "fullness" of anything, He was not talking about the number of people, but when they had reached the height of what they could do either evil or good."<br /><br />Your claim that "fullness" in Romans 11:25 does not mean "the full number of individual Gentiles" is specious since it depends on the false notion that "fullness" CANNOT refer to a number of something forming a group. Furthermore, Paul uses the phrase "has come in"--a harvest euphemism--and applies it to the "fullness". He's obviously talking about the size of a group of people; the number of them. The harvest motif itself denotes a harvest of Gentile believers. (You don't think Paul meant a harvest of UN-believers, do you? The context is against that idea.) If Paul was referring to some type of fullness of iniquity, he would more likely have written something like "until the iniquity OF the Gentiles is complete", or maybe, "until the Gentiles' iniquity is full". (See the form in Gen. 15:16 re: the Amorites.) Your references to Scriptures using "fullness" do describe the degree of fullness of *concepts* (loss, widowhood, blessings) that are non-numeric. But in no way does that preclude the numeric aspect of "fullness" in Romans 11:25. Paul referred to a fullness of GENTILES, not a fullness of iniquity or any other intangible concept. <br /><br />"What it is referring to is the whole gentile world at the Day of the Lord."<br /><br />You seem to have conflated "the fullness of the Gentiles" with "the TIMES of the Gentiles" (TotG), which refers to Gentile dominion over the earth. The TotG will indeed end at Armageddon. It has nothing to do with the full number of believers drawn from the Gentiles into the Church. <br /><br />" You need to interpret scripture from scripture, not you own man-made idea of what fullness means."<br /><br />Right back acha, YeshuaRules! Have a good day. <br /><br /> <br />Chuck Fhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08445244949701302380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-923571518579487836.post-64157080262969525032017-09-11T03:32:44.227-05:002017-09-11T03:32:44.227-05:00YeshuaRules Gets Quoted Part 1
"First, most...YeshuaRules Gets Quoted Part 1<br /><br />"First, most people who believe it's on a FoT do not say a specific date."<br /><br />I understand that, but the producer of this video DOES believe in a specific date for the Rapture: 9/23/2017. He said that at the top of his first video. THAT is the issue I'm addressing. <br /><br />"FoT is called euphemistically the day or hour no one knows because they need two witnesses to sight the slight crescent moon."<br /><br /> I'm familiar with the euphemism of the "day and hour no one knows" vis. the FoT. Again, that's irrelevant to the issue of Rapture imminence since the Lord wasn't talking about the Rapture when he mentioned not knowing the day or hour in Matt. 24:36. In fact, the FoT euphemism applies to the uncertainty of the Lord's coming to the EARTH to restore ISRAEL as He establishes the Kingdom of God on earth. As I stated above, I don't believe it's a Rapture reference.<br /><br />"And I think believing it lands on an appointed feast doesn't hurt the idea of imminency at all. It is still imminent, of sorts, since you don't know which year." <br /><br />But that's nonsense. Even if one doesn't know what year, restricting the Rapture to a single day OF the year excludes it from the other 364 days of ANY given year. Imminence is destroyed. "Imminence" means "at any time", not "on such-and-such specific day of any year". (See my example above of what Paul did NOT say in 1 Cor. 15:52. I could add that neither did Paul say, "In fact, folks, along with the Spring feasts, you can 'never mind' the whole rest of the year but the FoT.")<br /><br />"And some think it could be on a day of Pentecost."<br /><br />I agree the Rapture *could* happen on the Day of Pentecost. But anyone who insists that it MUST happen on Pentecost has the same problem as the FoT-ists.<br /><br />"the early church may have expected Him sooner since the temple was still in Jerusalem when Paul wrote, they didn't have to wait for a temple to be rebuilt or the jews to return to the land."<br /><br />The early Church believed that Jesus could come for them at any time because that's what Paul taught them. When teaching of the Rapture specifically, Paul NEVER mentions intervening events or the occurrence of feast days as being needed for the Rapture to occur. As for Rapture "possibilities" (sorry for the Schuller reference), Israel did not have to be back in the land for the Rapture to occur any more than the Temple has to be rebuilt for the Rapture to occur. Btw, if the temple DOES have to be rebuilt for the Rapture to occur, you can scratch 9/23/2017 from your Lord-returns-this-day calendar because the Temple hasn't been built a/o 9/11/2017. The Israelis are ultra-good at things, but I don't think even *they* could build it in 12 days.<br /><br />"The fullness of the gentiles does NOT refer to the church. The church is a unique body/nation made up of jews AND gentiles -- one new man."<br /><br />Agreed about the unique nature of the Church. And as you've pointed out, the *sources* of church members are two: Jews and Gentiles. The "fullness of the Gentiles" refers to Church members who have come from the *Gentile* source; iow, the "fullness" which will come out of the Gentiles. Yes, there are Church believers drawn from the Jews as well, but Paul--the apostle to the Gentiles--doesn't mention the idea of a "fullness of the Jews" in the Church.<br /><br />So much for Part 1. <br />Chuck Fhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08445244949701302380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-923571518579487836.post-14664371735261386372017-09-10T18:30:43.401-05:002017-09-10T18:30:43.401-05:00Anyone care to figure out this clue of sorts (if i...Anyone care to figure out this clue of sorts (if it is a clue).<br /><br />In the listing of the 12 tribes in Numbers and the book of Revelation, Levi and Joseph are not listed in Numbers and Ephraim was not listed in Revelation. It has to mean something and seems like a clue but knowledge of the 12 tribes is an area I'm very lacking in.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-923571518579487836.post-78021984154306870802017-09-10T06:20:58.883-05:002017-09-10T06:20:58.883-05:00As for the topic of the "Fullness of the Gent...As for the topic of the "Fullness of the Gentiles" (Romans 11:25) there is an excellent video teaching by Scott Clarke on YouTube, highly recommended! The "Fullness" ends not with the church age but with Armageddon. Here's the link: https://youtu.be/0vcAZMRzSroAnnabelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04642374040696665532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-923571518579487836.post-47765117483857909032017-09-10T06:12:05.532-05:002017-09-10T06:12:05.532-05:00Dear Chuck in fact Paul was adressing to a church ...Dear Chuck in fact Paul was adressing to a church that MUST have known about the Feast days (which are not "Jewish" but the LORDs btw) because of 1 Thessalonians 5:1 just following the 'rapture' passage of chpt. 4 some sentences earlier. He didn't specify the feast days because EVERYBODY KNEW ABOUT THEM.<br /><br />I cannot and will not engagement in unfruitful debate on this further 2 Timothy 2:14+24 as these topics are broadly in-depth explained in several 'unsealed' articles too. All I can say is that God Himself has used the doctrinal errors of men about "imminency" in church history to preserve the announcement of His return until these last days to be revealed in our generation, shortly before it happens. I don't know how he did it (because the proper information was in the bible all the time!) but he did. That's enough. After all there are NO scriptures proving imminency as you understand it to happen "ANY time / day" in history. This is in fact sth I know for sure. There is NO scripture telling us so. Blessings to you! YSICAnnabelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04642374040696665532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-923571518579487836.post-55340298262007040682017-09-10T00:17:07.462-05:002017-09-10T00:17:07.462-05:00Chuck, two things. First, most people who believe ...Chuck, two things. First, most people who believe it's on a FoT do not say a specific date. FoT is called euphemistically the day or hour no one knows because they need two witnesses to sight the slight crescent moon. So it was in the past, usually two days it could land on. I think they called it one lang day too. And I think believing it lands on an appointed feast doesn't hurt the idea of imminency at all. It is still imminent, of sorts, since you don't know which year. And some think it could be on a day of Pentecost. Either way, a day either way, doesn't make a difference. Also, as I said in a comment above, the early church may have expected Him sooner since the temple was still in Jerusalem when Paul wrote, they didn't have to wait for a temple to be rebuilt or the jews to return to the land.<br /><br />Second, is this idea -- "Besides that, imminence--the idea that Jesus could come for His Church at ANY TIME--also dovetails with the fact that the Rapture's occurrence is more likely tied to a NUMBER; the "fullness of the Gentiles" coming in, not to a date."<br /><br />The fullness of the gentiles does NOT refer to the church. The church is a unique body/nation made up of jews AND gentiles -- one new man. We don't need to wait for that last person to make a decision for Christ, that is ridiculous. What it is referring to is the whole gentile world at the Day of the Lord. It is when He has had enough of their evil. As when God spoke of the "fullness" of anything, He was not talking about the number of people, but when they had reached the height of what they could do either evil or good. For example,<br />Dan 8:23 “And in the latter time of their kingdom,<br />When the transgressors have reached their fullness,<br />A king shall arise,<br />Having fierce features,<br />Who understands sinister schemes."<br /><br />Or: Isaiah 47:9 But these two things shall come to you In a moment, in one day: The loss of children, and widowhood. They shall come upon you in their fullness Because of the multitude of your sorceries, For the great abundance of your enchantments.<br /><br />Or: Romans 15:29 But I know that when I come to you, I shall come in the fullness of the blessing of the gospel of Christ.<br /><br />Scott Clarke has talked about this better, but I can't remember the exact video, sorry. You need to interpret scripture from scripture, not you own man-made idea of what fullness means. <br /><br />Maranatha YeshuaRuleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03328912459277679447noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-923571518579487836.post-7043429720476916652017-09-09T22:57:12.709-05:002017-09-09T22:57:12.709-05:00The reason that they thought it was "imminent...The reason that they thought it was "imminent" was also because the temple and Jerusalem were still intact, until 70 AD. And the reason the rapture fell out of favor was because of the temple destruction, they couldn't imagine when it would be restored again.YeshuaRuleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03328912459277679447noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-923571518579487836.post-71151806821433057952017-09-09T22:42:52.852-05:002017-09-09T22:42:52.852-05:00Part 2:
From Isaiah Maendel:
"According to ...Part 2:<br /><br />From Isaiah Maendel:<br /><br />"According to the Apostle Paul, the Rapture has always been associated with the Feast of trumpets, it never has been imminent."<br /><br />Not true. See my comment above to Annabel regarding the same issue.<br /><br />"For me, seeing a certain day approaching has given me a much stronger sense of Duty to share the gospel then any unseen eminent day of the rapture."<br /><br />Ok, suppose tomorrow you tell some unbeliever that the Rapture happens on 9/23/2017. They think "M'kay, I've got a while to think about it. I'll decide by 9/22." Then the Rapture happens on 9/21. OOP-sie! Will they ever be mad at YOU!<br /><br />Or, suppose tomorrow you tell the same unbeliever that the Rapture happens on 9/23/2017, and it doesn't; 9/23 passes uneventfully. They think, "Sheesh, another one of those stupid, crazy religious fanatics. I KNEW this Rapture stuff is baloney!" Then the Rapture happens on 9/25 (or later) and they're left behind. OOP-sie! Either way, you have misled someone, causing them to be left behind. That's the danger of ANY "definite date" idea. THAT IS WHY THE LORD NEVER TOLD US NOR EVER REQUIRED US TO TEACH A CERTAIN DAY FOR THE RAPTURE! (I'm *emphasizing*, not shouting, btw. Boy-howdy, does this site need italics support or what?)<br /><br />"And the Rapture being at the appointed time just makes a lot more sense."<br /><br />Of *course* it makes sense that the Rapture happens at a certain time. I'm not disputing that it will. That time is certainly known to God. I'm taking issue with the idea that the certain time IS TO BE KNOWN BY US BEFORE IT HAPPENS. (Again with the emphasizing. Sorry.) Do we know what number the "fullness of the Gentiles" is? NO! Neither do we know what "the appointed time" is. THAT makes sense.<br /><br />"And it's a lot more exciting."<br /><br />So *that's* what's important; how "exciting" it is? We are to be "excited" about it? A state of heightened emotion must be maintained or we're not "watching", we're "lukewarm"? S'cuse me, but biblically speaking, being "excited" has nothing to do with being *watchful*. We are told to be watchful, alert and SOBER. (1 Thess. 5:6, 8.)<br /><br />Why is that so hard to remember? Must be all the excitement.<br /><br />Have a good Sunday, Isaiah and all! <br />Chuck Fhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08445244949701302380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-923571518579487836.post-10513346885125495882017-09-09T22:35:45.542-05:002017-09-09T22:35:45.542-05:00Part 1, From Isaiah Maendel:
"Chuck, think a...Part 1, From Isaiah Maendel:<br /><br />"Chuck, think about how many things pertaining to the end times and the rapture have been completely wrong and backwards over the last several hundred years."<br /><br />Oh, I've thought about *that*, Isaiah! You betcha! ALL of the "Rapture must happen ON [fill in date]" or "Rapture must happen BY [fill in date]" things so far have been 100% wrong. TOO wrong to be considered "backwards", even.<br /><br />"For example, Pentecost being the birth of the church, now we understand it is actually the conception of the church."<br /><br />The birth vs. conception issue is not settled, though I'm sure the "majority" here believe it has been. But the "majority" tend to get things wrong, don't they? (Or so some have implied.) <br /><br />"Knowing this, it's reasonable to say that the doctrine of eminency is wrong and backwards also."<br /><br />Why? How are the two issues connected? Even assuming for discussion that the "conception" idea is correct, that would have nothing to do with the doctrine of imminence. The burden of proof is on anyone who says it does. The doctrine of imminence stands by itself, for reasons which I've already stated to Annabel (see above). Besides that, imminence--the idea that Jesus could come for His Church at ANY TIME--also dovetails with the fact that the Rapture's occurrence is more likely tied to a NUMBER; the "fullness of the Gentiles" coming in, not to a date.<br /><br />"I hear so many people just blindly referring to 'no one knows the day or the hour'..."<br /><br />Which is why I never referred to that idea. I don't think its context (Matt. 24) has anything to do with the Church--let alone the Rapture--so I didn't waste time with it. But its improper application to anything is unrelated to the imminence of the Rapture.<br /><br />End of Part 1. Part 2 is imminent!<br /><br />Chuck Fhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08445244949701302380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-923571518579487836.post-80539532788758673122017-09-09T20:55:21.355-05:002017-09-09T20:55:21.355-05:00In reply to Christiantinker (just so Annabel knows...In reply to Christiantinker (just so Annabel knows I'm not picking on her):<br /><br />Israel did not have to be back in the land for the Rapture to occur. From the prophetic perspective, Israel could have returned afterward. In *hindsight* we know the details better, but that has no bearing on what Paul and John taught. As for the meaning of "this generation", among pre-tribbers its interpretation is far from unanimous. Biblically, a "generation" can be 40 years, 70 years, even 80 years. Before 1988, the 40 year span was popular. Had to change that when it didn't happen. Now the 70 year span is used. I guess if the Church isn't caught up by 2018, the 80 year span will come into play. On top of that, it's not even agreed what "this generation" means. It may have nothing to do with a span of time, but that's another issue.Chuck Fhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08445244949701302380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-923571518579487836.post-73737562647428485922017-09-09T20:41:10.985-05:002017-09-09T20:41:10.985-05:00Aaaaannd we're back...
Annabel said:
"D...Aaaaannd we're back...<br /><br />Annabel said:<br /><br />"Dear Chuck no offense intended, just to give you some background information to how your (apparent) understanding of 'any time' imminency has been established into traditional church teaching worldwide"<br /><br />No offense taken, Annabel, I was just pointing up the pitfall of making false assumptions. But as to the source of my understanding of imminence, let me remove any ambiguity: My understanding comes from the Bible itself. Some others who have written about it may have "corroborated" my understanding but they did not *originate* it. Contrary to the assertion in your earlier reply that my "understanding of imminency is NOT taught in the bible", I must point out that it certainly IS. What is NOT taught is that any signs must appear first. Read any Scripture in the N.T. regarding the Rapture *specifically*, whether by Paul, John, or whoever, and you will see that there are never any signs listed as having to happen before the Rapture itself, with the exception of Jesus in John 14:3 where He states that He must *leave* first before He can return and receive us to Himself. By the time John and Paul began writing, Jesus had left.<br /><br />Re: 1 Corinthians 15:52, it is a very dubious assumption to link Paul's "last trumpet" (which in 1 Thessalonians 4:16 he calls "the trumpet of God") with the trumpets of the FoT. Doing so is similar to the way post-tribbers link it with the 7th trumpet of Revelation 11:15. The particulars are different, but the purpose is the same; to debunk the imminence of the Rapture. It's ironic for any pre-tribber to debunk imminence since it has always been a major argument FOR the Pre-Trib Rapture, which is why post-tribbers (and A-millenarians) target it. In any case, Paul was writing to a *gentile* church which was probably not in the practice of keeping Jewish feasts. If Paul meant the last trumpet of the FoT don't you think he would have said so? It would have prevented a lot of confusion. Paul could have said something like, "Btw, folks, by 'last trumpet' I mean the last of trumpets at the Feast of Trumpets. It's a Jewish thing. I dunno WHICH FoT it will be, but think of it this way; when the Fall feasts approach, get ready! The Spring feasts? Never mind." But Paul never said such things. They were to watch EVERY day until it happens. So are we. <br /><br />That's not to say that The Rapture *cannot* happen on 9/23/2017, it certainly could. IF it doesn't happen *sooner*. Or later. But, teaching that the Rapture *will* happen that day precludes by default the possibility of the Lord coming for us sooner, making a mockery of the command to "watch" always, and diluting the comforting aspects of the imminence of the Rapture. <br /><br />I'm not saying there is NO good info in these videos. I'm saying "BE CAREFUL" because the producer of the videos has admitted from the get-go that he holds a view of imminence that is unbiblical.<br /><br />Besides that, with John the apostle I say, "Amen. Come, Lord Jesus."<br />Chuck Fhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08445244949701302380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-923571518579487836.post-26158642726573650872017-09-09T18:04:37.705-05:002017-09-09T18:04:37.705-05:00Chuck, think about how many things pertaining to t...Chuck, think about how many things pertaining to the end times and the rapture have been completely wrong and backwards over the last several hundred years. For example, Pentecost being the birth of the church, now we understand it is actually the conception of the church. Knowing this, it's reasonable to say that the doctrine of eminency is wrong and backwards also. I hear so many people just blindly referring to 'no one knows the day or the hour' without completely understanding what it's all about. I believe it is completely wrong and backwards.<br />According to the Apostle Paul, the Rapture has always been associated with the Feast of trumpets, it never has been imminent.<br />For me, seeing a certain day approaching has given me a much stronger sense of Duty to share the gospel then any unseen eminent day of the rapture.<br />And the Rapture being at the appointed time just makes a lot more sense. And it's a lot more exciting.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-923571518579487836.post-91490516448225965822017-09-09T06:34:09.523-05:002017-09-09T06:34:09.523-05:00Dear Chuck no offense intended, just to give you s...Dear Chuck no offense intended, just to give you some background information to how your (apparent) understanding of "any time" imminency has been established into traditional church teaching worldwide -as I myself was influenced and mislead by it from my pastors in Germany - during the last 140 years (which might be a prophetical number at last). Blessings to you, MARANATHA! :) James 1:5Annabelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04642374040696665532noreply@blogger.com