God Couldn't Be Clearer: The Rapture Linchpin, Israel-Church Contrast, and Mega Signs Just as Foretold
In our latest discussion we evaluate upcoming astronomical signs and their potential significance for the rapture. In particular, three solar eclipses (2017, 2023, and 2024) that formed an "X" over North America and an upcoming lunar eclipse on September 7, 2025, visible over Israel and to 80% of the world's population. Relating these signs to biblical prophecies, particularly Joel 2:30–31, it is worth considering that they may serve as an "exit sign" for the Church (in association with the Revelation 12 Sign), indicating the rapture is approaching quickly.
We further discuss that Daniel's 70th week, the Day of the Lord, and the Time of Jacob's Trouble are essentially synonymous, referring to a future period that begins with the rapture of the Church. Furthermore, it is vital that we interpret Old Testament prophecies at face value, which inevitably leads to the conclusion of a pre-tribulation rapture and a distinct plan for the Church separate from Israel.
As we dig in, we take a deep dive into the interpretation of Isaiah 43-44, focusing on the symbolism of water representing the Holy Spirit and references to the Church as God's chosen people. We also explore the pattern of Church-Israel distinctions throughout Isaiah, referencing Deuteronomy 32. The conversation touches on different interpretative approaches, including literal and historical-grammatical hermeneutics, and the challenges of conveying these concepts to others with different theological backgrounds.
Further Reading:
We further discuss that Daniel's 70th week, the Day of the Lord, and the Time of Jacob's Trouble are essentially synonymous, referring to a future period that begins with the rapture of the Church. Furthermore, it is vital that we interpret Old Testament prophecies at face value, which inevitably leads to the conclusion of a pre-tribulation rapture and a distinct plan for the Church separate from Israel.
As we dig in, we take a deep dive into the interpretation of Isaiah 43-44, focusing on the symbolism of water representing the Holy Spirit and references to the Church as God's chosen people. We also explore the pattern of Church-Israel distinctions throughout Isaiah, referencing Deuteronomy 32. The conversation touches on different interpretative approaches, including literal and historical-grammatical hermeneutics, and the challenges of conveying these concepts to others with different theological backgrounds.
Further Reading:
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ReplyDeleteThe total lunar eclipse of September 7, 2025 falls on the feast of firstfruits of new oil (Essene) and ends just before midnight local time in Jerusalem. Now go read the Parable of the Ten Virgins in (Matthew 25).
What are the chances of that?!
100%
And 3 or so weeks earlier, a Venus-Jupiter conjunction right in the middle of Gemini (mortal man being rescued / given immortality by the God-man).
DeleteYes, also, the days I've noted associated with 9/7/25 include,
Delete49 days prior, July 20, Firstfruits of new wine (Essene), Cana Wedding?
52 days prior, July 17, Tammuz 30 (Essene), period of mourning
120 days prior, May 10, Omer Day 28 (Essene) fourth week of the Omer (Emerald Green/Gate/Doorway)
Bear in mind too that the Bethlehem Star will rise on August 12, 49 days before 9/30 (my high watch day) on the advent of the Perseid meteor shower (up to 150ph according to some sources).
Another observation:
ReplyDeleteThe intersection of the Great American Solar Eclipse (2017) and the Annular Solar Eclipse (2023) is directly over the Cascadia fault line, part of the ring of fire system in the Pacific basin. GASE 2.0 and the annular eclipse cross very near the two ranches in Texas where the red heifers now in Israel came from.
RE: Blood Moon Eclipse of September 7, 2025 + Partial Solar Eclipse of September 22, 2025
ReplyDeleteGary and Jeff,
Judi from Revelation 12 Daily made us aware of your Video Discussion about the September 7, 2025 Blood Moon Eclipse. Thanks for the interesting Dialog, and for how the Rapture will be like or can be likened to the Parting of the Red Sea. That was a ‘Knock-Out’. The following are some Numerical Observations related to the Blood Moon Eclipse of September 7 and the Partial Solar Eclipse of September 21-22, 2025. Here is the Day Count to the Blood Moon from Israel’s Independence, in the Hebrew Calendar.
May 3, 2025
(Iyar 5 - Israel’s Independence) to September 7, 2025 Blood Moon:
= 10,800,000 Seconds
= 180,000 Minutes
= 3000 Hours
= 125 Days
Chart
The following is a Depiction of how the September 7, 2025 Blood Moon Eclipse will look like from Jerusalem with its Moon-Rise. It is as the Moon rises over the Mount of Olives, looking Eastward. The Blood Moon, or the Total Lunar Eclipse is at the Sign of Aquarius. It is positioned in the Motif, based on the Stellarium Software, that shows the Water Pitcher pouring-out the Water to the Fish below. The Blood Moon will just be below the Ecliptic. Also along the Ecliptic, and near the Constellation of Pisces is the Planet Saturn.
Chart
BLOOD MOON ECLIPSE
September 7, 2025
https://drive.google.com/file/d/13qR5i5Q44EXgpz4y9VhkEqbiE3Fw4VZ1/view?usp=drive_link
If there is a Prophetic Implication, one sees the Pouring-Down of the Waters as ‘Judgment’ upon Israel and the World. In contrast, the Fish that rides the Winged Horse, Pegasus is ‘Raptured-Up’. Based on one’s New Wine Summer Wheat Harvest Rapture Theory and Timing, this Celestial Array is Post-Rapture. It is signaling, perhaps what is to come soon thereafter. Realize that the Blood Moon Eclipse is paired-up with the Partial Solar Eclipse of September 21-22, 2025.
PARTIAL SOLAR ECLIPSE
September 22, 2025
https://drive.google.com/file/d/12xW7FRAD6HnD47tWLI4ehvUMcCmFOktI/view?usp=drive_link
The Partial Solar Eclipse occurs in the Southern Pole Region, spanning from Western Australia to Antarctica. The Solar Eclipse will occur in the Constellation of Virgo. What is perhaps Biblically Prophetic is how it ends on the Eve of the 8th Year Anniversary of the Revelation 12 Sign that occurred on September 23, 2017. There are also 3 Planets that are associated with the prior Alignment wherein, Saturn replaces Mercury. Based on the Stellarium Software Model, the Constellations appear ‘Upside-Down’ because they provide Evidence that the Earth is not Flat.
In terms of the up-coming Jewish Feasts, June 1 is the Jewish Shavuot Count or the Feast of the First Fruits of the New Wheat. Then June 8 is the Christian ‘Pentecost’ that is associated, erroneously in one’s Estimation, with the Jewish Shavuot. Interestingly, on that Day, is when there is a Jupiter-Venus Conjunction at the Silver Gate.
Blessings,
Lu Vega
www.PostScripts.org
Gary, you mentioned about looking at the prospects of a 32 AD Crucifixion Year, a bit deeper. Here is one’s Body of Research to skim through for you and your Reader’s Consideration. It is in PDF Format, Just making it available.
CRUCIFIXION YEAR 32 AD
Circumstantial Evidence
When was Jesus Crucified? Was it in 30 AD? 31 AD, or 33 AD? This has been 1 of the most Profound Questions, that has been Debated since the Church Age started with Jesus' Death. Can the Year be Determined?
BOOK: Free PDF Download
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1e7AQ4nt0C2pqXuf4L9IXV3FBv7Aw63tw/view?usp=drive_link
Great video gentlemen, but you may want to do another.
ReplyDeleteAlarm bells kept going off when I heard you keep saying God has been hiding his face. I have not watched the entire video yet, but you may have forgotten that the bible does in fact state when God will hide his face no more, which I believe marks a change in dispensation and the end of the Church age. In fact, when God says he will hide his face no longer is during an event that has been in the news for a few years, but is now at a fever pitch to occur in the next few days, weeks or months.
It's the Ezekiel 38 & 39 war, where God says he will hide his face no more and will intervene in mankind on behalf of Israel - https://www.blueletterbible.org/niv/eze/39/29/s_841029
A book was written about it by a retired Christian police inspector that I bought many years ago. It has been one of the most eye opening books I ever read on eschatology and I've read many. The site where the book is discussed by the author in great detail is at https://thesilenceisbroken.us/about/
PR,
ReplyDeleteWould you mind explaining your current position on our Revelation "Seals" timeline?
I seem to remember you mentioning Seal 6 before?
Maybe?
Thanks,
Jeremy
Hi Jeremy,
DeleteYes, with pleasure. Bear in mind all that my position is a product of asking questions, praying, studying and listening; repeating the process often while waiting. Let's start with the RED LETTERS of (Mark 13:24-27 ESV),
24 "But in those days, after that
tribulation, the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light,
25 and the stars will be falling from
heaven, and the powers in the heavens
will be shaken.
26 And then they will see the Son of Man
coming in clouds with great power and
glory.
27 And then he will send out the angels
and gather his elect from the four winds,
from the ends of the earth to the ends
of heaven."
This comes from the Olivet Discourse and are RED LETTERS -- trusted words right from the King Himself. Key to the timing is "that tribulation" or what John refers to as "the tribulation" in (Revelation 1:9) with that time having already begun in the first century. This frames the rest of the events Jesus discusses with the four on the Mount of Olives. After *that [the] tribulation* will be the Day Joel spoke of,
30 "And I will show wonders in the
heavens and on the earth, blood and
fire and columns of smoke.
31 The sun shall be turned to darkness,
and the moon to blood, before the
great and awesome day of the LORD
comes.
(Joel 2:30-31 ESV)
While I no longer agree with most pre-trib teachers that the tribulation has yet to begin, I do agree that the Day of the LORD can and should be understood as the 70th week as a whole. Yes, the Day of the LORD is a day, and yes, the Day of the LORD is the last seven years of the age.
I also wouldn't characterize the seals as judgments -- they are part of the tribulation (the present age). They are events if you will that occur(red) in time and over time. The first seal being the sending out of the Church at the Great Commission. Can the first seal *also* be a dual fulfillment and the coming of the AC? That's a question that I am asking. Maybe, but my focus is on the Church here,
12 When he opened the sixth seal,
I looked, and behold, there was a
great earthquake, and the sun became
black as sackcloth, the full moon
became like blood,
(Revelation 6:12 ESV)
This pegs the Day of the LORD as beginning in the sixth seal, the wrath of the Lamb. The sixth seal begins with a great earthquake (resurrection of the dead) followed by the vision of Joel. This may be a specific solar/lunar eclipse event or it may be a single (supernatural) global event. I tend to lean toward a single supernatural event much like when G-D descended upon Mt Horeb at the first trumpet -- global in scale not localized to one area alone.
PR Response (Continued)
Delete13 and the stars of the sky fell to
the earth as the fig tree sheds its
winter fruit when shaken by a gale.
(Revelation 6:13 ESV)
Here we see the dragon and its angels being cast down to/into the earth. This is especially seen in (Revelation 12) and can otherwise be seen as the War in Heaven spilling visibly into our temporal space. Yes, Satan has already spent a lot of time on earth -- from the beginning as it were; but it will now be STRANDED here and unable to leave. Even once it is released from the pit, at the end of the MK, it will still be stuck here to lead mankind in rebellion (again) against God. The powers of the heavens shaken is further testament to the conclusion of the war as the ancient Cherub is cast out forever.
14 The sky vanished like a scroll that
is being rolled up, and every mountain
and island was removed from its place.
(Revelation 6:14 ESV)
Here we see the gulf between our dimension and the heavenly dimension bridged at which time the doorway to the wedding feast is opened and the wise virgins are welcomed into the wedding feast! It may be much like when heaven opened and the angels announced the birth of Jesus to the shepherds -- just a much larger scale! Mountains are kingdoms, powers and authorities while islands are peoples, nations and tribes. All who are invited are removed (moved/stirred/set in motion). Compare this to the Parable of the Virgins found in (Matthew 25).
We go UP when they come down. The dead have already been raised and the dragon is stranded on/in the earth and we will be taken from the four winds, all points of the compass. We will be glorfied just as the dead will have been glorified moments before us.
Stopping here, and considering all of this: I believe the first five seals are already opened. We are waiting on the fullness of the Gentiles to be completed. That is a complete count of all who are to come to saving faith in Christ Jesus before the 70th week. I believe that the R12S was part of that -- a warning to the times we live in and mile marker so that we would know where we are in our journey. The heavenly sign that points to a birth, the fullness of the Gentiles (the manchild and body of Christ), and the soon arrival of the Bridegroom.
That's a glimpse of what my very personal studies have led me to. I hope it helps.
Maranatha,
PR
ONE MORE PIECE OF THE PUZZLE
Delete22 And if those days had not been cut
short, no human being would be saved.
But for the sake of the elect those days
will be cut short.
(Matthew 24:22 ESV)
I was recently given this concerning the timing of this event and what it means. The shortened days are not 24 hour days but a season or period of time. The time is a time of trouble, great trouble, that is shortened for the sake of the elect. The elect are the children of God that have put their faith in Jesus -- His body, the Church. This is reflected in the fullness of those represented by the man-child of the R12S, the wise virgins.
The end of the age will come when Jesus returns with His Bride in train at what we generally call the Second Coming. This event marks the end of the current age and beginning of the MK. Shortening the days, days of trouble (great trouble), for the elect means removing them from the earth so that they will not participate in the time of testing for the inhabitants of the earth. (This occurs during the 70th week). Thus, the shortening of days is the fullness of the present age less the days not spent in testing to equal the Day of our Blessed Hope.
The shortened days equal the Rapture.
Blessings,
PR
Thank you for your thoughts, Pastor Rich.
DeleteI was discussing the Revelation 12 sign with a brother who doesn't take well to astronomical signs in the heavens. And as I was putting a logical argument together, I happened to come across Revelation 5:5 again . . .
"And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof."
And that was the first time that I wondered about pairing the two. Is it feasible to think that the comet and/or Jupiter, which kicked off the R12 sign by passing through the constellation Leo the Lion could somehow represent the opening of the book?
I still don't know, yet, exactly how I see any of that. That'll have to wait much longer.
But I do have one small addition to the argument for a 32AD crucifixion:
I was rereading the intro to a dusty book at home on the shelf . . . Sir Robert Anderson's "The Coming Prince" . . . and I came across his interpretation of the date. It is as follows . . . [quoted]
1. The epoch of the Seventy Weeks was the issuing of a decree to restore and build Jerusalem. (Daniel 9:25.)
2. There never was but one decree for the rebuilding of Jerusalem.
3. That decree was issued by Artaxerxes, King of Persia, in the month Nisan in the 20th year of his reign, i.e. B.C. 445.
4. The city was actually built in pursuance of that decree.
5. The Julian date of 1st Nisan 445 was the 14th March.
6. Sixty-nine weeks of years i.e. 173,880 days reckoned from the 14th March B.C. 445, ended on the 6th April A.D. 32.
7. That day, on which the sixty-nine weeks ended, was the fateful day on which the Lord Jesus rode into Jerusalem in fulfillment of the prophecy of Zechariah 9:9; when, for the first and only occasion in all His earthly sojourn, He was acclaimed as Messiah the Prince the King, the Son of David."
I'll close with Sir Anderson's statement that, "The first Passover of the Lord's ministry, therefore, was in Nisan A.D. 29; and we can fix the date of the Passion with absolute certainty as Nisan A.D. 32.
Just thought that would make another small piece of evidence to back up a 2025 Tribulation start. Sorry it was long-winded.
Jeremy
PR,
DeleteI suppose that Revelation 5:5 does a pretty good job of bolstering your case, too.
Maybe the Lion of the tribe of Juda[h] did "prevail to open the book" and "loose the seven seals." Almost two thousand years ago.
At least on some level.
Jeremy
Pastor Rich
DeleteI have come to the conclusion myself that the Seals are not Judgments either, and that they began long ago when Christ ascended (and that is when He took the 7 sealed scroll and began opening it).
Not trying to argue with you about it, just that I disagree with your position on the Tribulation already having started.
"While I no longer agree with most pre-trib teachers that the tribulation has yet to begin"
I rather see it as the Birth Pains motif in play at this time. More of them, shorter between them, and much larger as they come.
It is precisely because they are not judgments, that they do not belong to the Tribulation, and therefore the Tribulation has not begun because of them.
This preserves the Pre-Trib nature of it and is further reinforced by Rev 6:16-17 (of Seal 6).
The context here is right after the massive quake that shakes the world (impact quake), with the sackcloth sun, blood moon (dust and ash), falling stars (ejecta fallback), sky rolling up like a scroll (thermal Plume), strong wind (pressure and ground waves)
All kinds of evidence of a large boloid impact on the earth.
This context is written in a present tense with the expectation of the next event because of this incident, which basically states in the word itself that The Judgment of the one on the throne (the Father), and the Judgment of the Lamb (Jesus) is about to occur.
Therefor the Tribulation (which we know as God's judgement [trial]) has not begun yet, but everyone knows it's coming with this event.
There's an interesting relationship here between Seal 6 and Seal 7 (rev 8:5). Before the first Trumpet judgment we see a Golden Censer hurled to earth from heaven.
I believe these are two different viewpoints of the same event. One from earth (Seal 6) and its effects in the mortal physical realm, and one from heaven (Seal 7) in the spiritual realm.
And what do we have between them? That cryptic silence for half an hour and the intermission of Chapter 7 with the 144 Thousand and the Great Multitude.
Again, just before the Beginning of the Trib with the first Trumpet Judgement.
I really have come to see Seal 6 as the changeover event, somewhere in here is the Rapture and the beginning of the Tribulation, and it remains pre-trib with the realization that the seals are not the wrath of God, but the results of the wrath of men since Christ ascended.
I agree also that the first 5 Seals have been opened in sequence and still in progress since the beginning and are marked by the ever-increasing intensity of each.
I now believe that Seal 6 and Seal 7 and the intermission between them will be the end of the Age of Grace as a package deal.
Yes, (Revelation 5:5) speaks to the opening of the scroll by the Lamb. We all know that only He is worthy to break the seals and open the scroll. The day count given via the weeks of days given Daniel is one tool used to find the date of the Triumphal Entry of Christ into Jerusalem. The Essenes also knew for us, "liberty will be proclaimed for them, to free them from [the debt of] all their iniquities." (11QMelchizedek Col. II)
DeleteI love that's how the wrote about what Jesus did. Just as it is written that He read from the scroll of Isaiah (Luke 4:17-21 ESV).
The Lion of the Tribe of Judah did prevail, overcome, and open the seals. John was witness to it and it is fact. The command to come make disciples of all the nations was the akin to the opening of the first seal. The sending out of the Spirit filled body of Christ, His Church into the world.
...please forgive my typos. Proof-reader untie!
Delete@JackN 🦊 Foxman On The Wall,
DeleteA friendly question: How do we then reconcile (Revelation 1:9) not being written during the tribulation? If we are living in the tribulation, as John states, then the duration of that season would be two-thousand years (two days) by God's standard. If that period of time is the tribulation, then these things that take place take place after the tribulation and before the time of testing (D70W). This is consistent with Scripture. If the tribulation is the 70th week then the Rapture would be a post-trib event (after the tribulation of those days) and (Revelation 3:10) would be null and the timing of the Rapture inconsistent with Scripture.
I hope that makes sense...
Glad you mentioned the silence in heaven too. My scroll studies suggest that the half an hour of silence is the period between (Revelation 8:1) and (Revelation 9:14). This interval spans most of the trumpet judgments and occupy the first side of the scroll or the first half of the hour of testing/judgment (Day of the LORD). It is a period of time when nobody speaks in heaven. The only voice that is heard is an eagle proclaiming the woes to come.
I hope this makes sense!
Blessings, always,
PR
Pastor Rich,
DeleteThat is a fair question, and I will answer with the first part of that same verse. ;)
Revelation 1:9a
I, John, your brother and partner in the tribulation [G2347: thlipsis] and kingdom [G932: basileia] and perseverance [G5281: hupomone'] that are in Jesus...
Tribulation here is not a title or name. It is not capitalized as such a name would be. Indeed "Tribulation" as we think of the term is only a recent addendum (generally speaking in the last millennium) in our use of the word.
thlipsis
persecution, affliction, distress, tribulation, trial
This is akin to the misuse and/or misinterpretation of it in (Matthew 24:29).
And also as with (Revelation 7:14), they are used as a descriptive term of struggle and trial, not as term denoting a period of time or as a label in the formal sense as "The Tribulation" or "The Great Tribulation" as we think of those terms in this day of expectance of Jacob's trouble or the last half of it. This is a major reason for the misidentification of the Great Multitude as Trib saints.
This is further denoted in the context of the sentence of (Rev 1:9a) with the use of "hupomone' " for Endurance, perseverance, patience, steadfastness.
John isn't in the Tribulation when he is writing the vision of what has been, what is, and what is to come and (Rev 1:9a) is about the Grace age trials and struggles, and royal membership, and patience, we all have in Christ.
Added note: The souls under the altar are those who have been martyred since Christ ascended to the father, not just some future group. You see the context when you consider that they have to wait for the rest of their brethren who will be martyred. This isn't even about the Trib saints at this point.
War breaking out between India and Pakistan right now. At least 5 sites struck by India. Pakistan launching indiscriminate artillery attacks across the border and vowing massive retaliation. Some reports that 1 or 2 Indian jets were shot down.
ReplyDeleteMeanwhile, Trump announces that something major will be revealed in the next several days.
Today is the Saturnian equinox (rings become visible again). For the past several weeks, the rings of Saturn have been invisible as they have been edgewise to Earth.
DeleteJust some skirmishes. I don't see it going nuclear.
DeleteI've heard it said that the war between Pakistan and India is a proxy war between China and the U.S. (or at least that is how TPTB have framed the picture. That takes us back to the theme of the two nations bearing the symbol of the bear i.e. the Rapture of Elijah followed by the attack of 2 bears on the 42 mockers in 2 Kings chapter 2.
ReplyDeleteHowever, what really gets my attention here is that, making that above said connection, a Rapture theme is further enhanced in the Pakistan/India war by realizing that this war has broken out on May 6 (5-6). Why is the number 56 important to the Rapture and prophecy?
The Apostle Paul was 56 years old in 58 A.D. As part of his third evangelistic journey, he traveled from Macedonia to Troas where he has to resurrect a man back from the dead who had fallen asleep during one of his long late night messages (Acts 20:6 – 11). Here, upon his arrival in Troas, we see the theme of resurrection from the dead. When the Rapture of those in Christ occurs, the “dead in Christ” are going to rise first. After this, those of us who are living will be resurrected into Heaven from the earth in glorified bodies and meet up with the previously resurrected dead in Christ and be right there with them.
Furthermore, it is specifically the Apostle Paul who God chose to show the revelation of the resurrection of the dead in Christ and the Rapture of the living saved believers at the end of the Church Age.
This comes one day before a new pope is chosen ... or the conclave takes place.
Something to chew on. The 56 number strikes again in a significant way here. Just as we are at the 77th birthday of national Israel in 7 more days.
Did someone just say "heads up" or was that in my own head? 😉
*I should add that the man who fell asleep during Paul's sermon broke his neck - thus having to be resurrected.
DeleteRE: Tribulation Period?
ReplyDeleteIf one may interject about the Scenario of the Tribulation Period? What has helped me have some Perspective is to have taken the 22 Chapters of the Book of Revelation and ascribed to it each of the 22 Letters of the Hebrew Alefbet. In doing so, one can then ascribe their Letter-to-Numerical Value.
Consider the Outcome that becomes then very interesting, if one accepts this Concept. In so doing, one is more convinced of a Pre-Tribulation Rapture Scenario. Moreover, there is a clear Delineation of what pertains to the Church Age and what does not. Jesus debriefed His Disciples of what Israel, i.e., the Believing Remnant was to do at the Mid-Point of the coming Tribulation Period.
The entire Olivet Discourse was a ‘Back to the Prophet Future’ Retrospect in that the Church Age was not in the forefront of the Jewish Mindset who were asking about when the End of the Age and Jesus’ Return was to occur. It is this Framework that one has come to see that there are 7 ‘Raptures’ or Translations within this Final Book of Revelation as a Book of 7’s, as it is.
Thus, when Brethren argue that the Rapture is Pre-Tribulation? True. That it is Mid-Tribulation? True. That it is Post-Tribulation? True. That it is Pre-Wrath? True. The Seals cast their Prophetic Shadow upon the Church Age, but they are not Broken. If so, where is or who is the AntiChrist? Where is the Temple that he is to enter it and defile it? Where and who is the False Prophet. Who are the 144K Jewish Evangelists? Where is Elijah? Here is the Online Link to this Chart on is referring to for one’s Review and Study. Consider it as just attempting to have Iron sharpen Iron.
Chart
THE BOOK OF REVELATION ALEFBET
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_mC6ImkTdFtvTQzNXAv7jwCDR6vsrPiW/view?usp=drive_link
Consider that the Book outlines itself of what is and what will come after this. What is ‘This’? It is the Church Age. Thus, it is one’s Interpretation that all that is to occur after Chapter 4 is Post-Rapture. And the Mid-Point of the entire Book, it is precisely Chapter 12, which is corresponding to the Revelation 12 Sign. Note that, if for example one considers a possible Fall 2025 to Fall 2032 Tribulation Period Timeline, the Year 2029 will be that Mid-Point. And that is precisely when the King Planet, Jupiter is next in Virgo, i.e., the Revelation 12 Sign.
Blessings,
Lu Vega
www.PostScripts.org
An interesting chart, Lu!
DeleteHowever, have you tried turning the seven sealed scroll into a model? In doing so, I found that the seven seals are not part of the inner and outer page of the scroll. They are exactly what they sound like; seven seals that open the scroll to reveal two halves which are trumpets and bowls. This view sets the seals as opening the Church Age and ending with the bride removed, the Rapture. This, then, sets the stage for the 70th week which is encapsulated inside the scroll.
I would not characterize Chapter 12 as the midpoint per-se, it is prophecy to what is coming on the earth, War in Heaven, and seen in action in the sixth seal via the worthless figs thrown to earth. Chapter 12 actually spans a large chunk of time from the final casting out of the dragon to its war on the left behind and attack on the woman and her flight into the wilderness where she will be nourished by God for 3-1/2 years. That spans the last two seals, all of the trumpets and all of the bowls. Chapter 12, in a sense, gives us the breadth of the activity of the dragon (defeat to defeat).
Agreed, (although with one proviso) that if the 70th week begins this fall the midpoint will be in April 2029 and allows for (Psalm 90:10) to be true. The finale of a *proud* 80th generation of Israel could come to its end, April 2029 with the Second Coming in the fall of 2032 on September 23, Yom Kippur (Essene). The 1335th day (from the midpoint) leads to December 7, Hanukkah, 2032 (Essene).
About Chapter 12: It discusses the casting out of Satan and its continued war on the saints, these are left behind saints, and the woman (Israel/Jerusalem). The casting of the dragon to/into the earth is seen in the sixth seal so that would make it a seals event (not midpoint). That which is shared by John in Chapter 12 is, I believe, prophetic as a product of his eating the little scroll. Just as Chapter 11 introduces the two witnesses, they don't arrive in the middle of the 70th week, they arrive at the beginning of the 70th week and are taken just before the AoD at the midpoint. I believe they are emblematic of the final generation of Israel reflected in (Psalm 90:10).
The *trick* seems to be how we use the term "tribulation". The age that Jesus launched is two millennia in length; His ascension to glorious return, and began with His sending out of the church on mission and will end with His return with that same Church. Those who profess faith in Christ prior to His coming on the clouds are part of that measure which is the fullness of the Gentiles. The shortening of days are the days that the Church will be removed from the age. So for the church, our time on earth will end when we reach the shortening of days. That is the end spoken of by Jesus as being after the tribulation of those days. Yes, tribulation will continue as the age is not yet complete -- a special time of the end which is set apart for Israel. That time will be her time of trouble, the 70th week. It will also be a time of testing for the inhabitants of the earth (remaining Gentiles).
All of this is why my studies lead me to a sixth seal harpazo followed by the vision of the heavenly host, silence in heaven making up most of the first half of the Day of the LORD or trumpet judgments -- followed by the last half of the Day of the LORD or bowl judgments.
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Fun fact: if the 2025 model (as I call it) is correct, then my birthday on April 30, 2025 was the midpoint of the R12S to the His Glorious Coming!
R12S + 2777.5 days = April 30, 2025
April 30, 2025 +2777.5 days = September 23, 2032 (Yom Kippur, Essene)
Total day count = 5555 days
September 23, is my wife's birthday and we labour as one in full-time ministry. Total day count from the beginning (R12S) to end (Yom Kippur, Essene) is 5555 days!
Makes me go, "Hmmm..."
Postscripts said:
Delete"The Seals cast their Prophetic Shadow upon the Church Age, but they are not Broken. If so, where is or who is the AntiChrist? Where is the Temple that he is to enter it and defile it? Where and who is the False Prophet."
This "assumes" that the first seal is the physical Antichrist.
The four horsemen of the first four seals are spiritual beings, as especially evident with Death and hades with the pale horse.
Both Jon and Paul expressed that the spirit of antichrist was already at work in the world when they wrote their respective books and epistles.
This reaffirms that Christ broke at least the first seal right after He ascended and took the scroll.
RE: JackN Foxman On The Wall,
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Greetings,
One is only sharing Perspective. Perhaps as you described it, this is the case. Perhaps it may not be. In the Spirit of Unity and Fellowship, one is just contributing to this Discussion. One has not been one who has joined your Group here. Consider one’s Counter Points.
1. One is assuming a Literal Interpretation of the Bible unless otherwise noted. As the Late Chuck Missler taught, consider the Context of a Passage to be taken literal unless the Context is said to be Metaphorical in Nature, within the Passage. It is a General Rule of Hermeneutics, traditionally.
2. So, if that be the case, then everything in Revelation or the Bible is Figurative. This is precisely the Preterist View of Scripture, especially Prophecy and the Book of Revelation. In the case of the 1st Seal, it is a Man that is identified with certain Qualities of making Peace through War, for example. Yes, there are Metaphorical Aspects of his Character like having only a Bow, a Stephanus Crown, et. But later on, it is revealed that other Men, 3 in fact that comprise the 10 Toe World Confederation attempt to depose this Man, etc.
3. Yes, the 4 Horsemen are Metaphors but correspond to actual Time-Specific and Occurrences. This is what Jesus essentially described, the 4 Seals to be broken in the End of Days. It is to be pegged to Daniel and at a Mid-Point, not with the Initiation of the Church Age. This is what Jesus stated, that there would be Deception, War, Famine, Plagues, and Death, etc. If it was all 'Figurative', then it would have been, 'Don't worry about it', it will not all be literal'. Is the Death of Billions and Hyper-Inflation, then, to be Figurative also? It has to follow, if its Inception is viewed as that. This is one’s Point of View, and just Speculative, so not a Hill do Die on, as they say.
4. Yes, the Spirit of AntiChrist had and has already been an Issue. But note, that if it be the case and it is, then there would be no need for the 1st Seal to reveal what or whom has already been in existence, even Metaphorically.
Blessings,
Keep the Watch.
Lu Vega
www.PostScripts.org
RE: Tribulation Period Timeline – 2 Possible Scenarios?
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The purpose of this illustration is to show the possible Timeline of the Biblical Tribulation Period of 7-Years. It is from the Fall of 2025 to the Fall of 2032. There are 2 Main Scenarios. If such Scenarios are plausible, then it means that the Rapture could occur before the End of 2025, if one is Pre-Trib. One is convinced that the Daily Sacrifice offering is what initiates the 1260 +1260 Day Segments that make up the 7-Year Sabbatical Cycle or Daniel’s Week of Years.
One is also convinced that the ‘Confirming of the Covenant’ with the L’Rabbim is the Law of Moses. In 2 prior Temple Dedications, that of Solomon and Ezra, the Reading took place. Perhaps this is what will transpire. If so, then the Timeframe of the Feasts of Shemini Atzeret and Simchat Torah become extremely significant. Option 1 pivots on Nisan 10 in 2029.
OPTION 1
Shemini Atzeret on October 13, 2025
Tribulation Starts with Temple Dedication and Daily Sacrifices?
+1260 Days
NISSAN 10
Daily Sacrifices ceases in the Midst?
March 26, 2029
+1260 Days
Rosh Hashanah
Return of Jesus?
September 6, 2032
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OPTION 2
Sabbath of Beginnings on October 18, 2025
Tribulation Starts?
+1260 Days
Passover
Daily Sacrifices ceases in the Midst?
March 31/April 1, 2029
+1260 Days
Sabbath of Return
2nd Coming of Jesus?
September 11, 2032
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Agreed on the timing of the last week potentially being Fall 2025 to Fall 2032. This fits with Essene records pegging the Passion in 32 AD. One twist in my studies is to use Civil/Essene/Gregorian and Julian calendars in parallel. They line up in very interesting ways!
DeleteA study of the Order of Melchizedek opened my eyes to the Essene calendar and using that as basis for the return of Christ on Earth. The priesthood of Jesus is superior to that of the Levitical priesthood -- He is King/Priest/Prophet forever in the Order of Melchizedek and therefore should be expected to enter the holy of holies on the Day understood by that order. This study helped further define what to look for in His return.
As to the building of the third temple? Do you think permission will be given for it to be built by this Fall? I doesn't appear so and I don't believe it could be completed that soon either, but who knows. I've wondered if Daniel has a clue for this? Daniel gives us 2300 days which counted from the end of my 2025 study model lead to June 2026. Could that be when the third temple is built? It's a continuing point of study for me...
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ReplyDeleteThis Timeline is also based on one’s Notion that it is from 1952 that the 70 Year Start Date should be counted from. This is because it was the Year that corresponded to the Land Sabbaths that got Israel Ejected from the promised Land for not keeping the Land Sabbaths and letting it Rest, in the 1st Place.
SOME CALCULATIONS
1948 + 7 Years Pattern Israel took to clear Promised Land = 1955
1955 = 70 Year Prophetic Factor = 2025 + 7 Year 70th Week = 2032
1948 + Law of Trees (4th Year) = 1952 + 80 Years (Psalm 90) = 2032
32 AD Crucifixion + ‘2 Days’ (2000 Years) = 2032 - 7 Years -= 2025
1948 + 84 Year Anna Code = 2032- 7th Year Widowed = 2025
Consider that this 2025 Start Year would then have 2032, when the Tribulation Period Ends with Jesus’ Return. It would also Corroborate with the 32 AD Year as being the more Accurate Calculation of Jesus’ Death and the Start of the Church Age. So, why the Year 2025 is perhaps Significant is that it is derived from Subtracting the 7 Years from the Year 2032.
Blessings.
Keep the Watch,
Lu Vega
www.PostScripts.org
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TRIBULATION PERIOD OPTIONS
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1trlygv0HRhha9WtGlQe-jNHyiR-0Kwmy/view?usp=drive_link
You've hit the nail on the head! Very interesting perspectives on beginning of day counts here and sorely needed too. Some good starting points for study. Thank you!
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2 Scenarios?
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1trlygv0HRhha9WtGlQe-jNHyiR-0Kwmy/view?usp=drive_link
RE: Tribulation Period Thoughts/Scenarios?
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Yes, one has attempted to plot the 7 Seals of the Book of Revelation on a Timeline. One has a Chart for that. :) See Link below for a visual in the subsequent Chart. The Rationale is basically assigning 1 Unit of Time or Value per each Chapter. Now as a Disclaimer, one is not presuming to have ‘figured-it-all-out’ nor to argue. One is just presenting one’s Research and Studies as others do and to share Thoughts, compare notes and ‘Agree to Disagree’, agreeably. On this side of the Rapture, one can only see and know in part. But we know Jesus who knows all things and we have the Mind of Christ, etc.
Chart
THE 7 ‘RAPTURES’ OF REVELATION
https://drive.google.com/file/d/14vxLrdQ54VM0bZ_U5ao-yKD0flIHVr6V/view?usp=drive_link
The following is just one’s best attempt thus far. One often states that it is about a Learning Curve that one is on and every-learning. Now as to the Seals? The original and ancient Concept of the Seals is based on the Sillybos. A Scroll was sealed with Seals, all tied together by a String. And as the initial Seal was broken, it only allowed the Reader to read up to the subsequent Seal, and so forth. It was Progressive Revelation.
One is of the Interpretation that the Seals begin to be broken, after the Rapture as the Bride has to face her Accuser and be Adjudicated of Lucifer’s Argument against her. Essentially, this occurs after the Rapture, and the Bema Seat Rewards Review is conducted. But before the Bride of Christ sits in Session as witnessed by both Daniel and John, for example, the Bride has to be vindicated when the Lamb sits in session of the Judicial Court in Heaven, i.e., the Lion of Judah/Lamb and breaks the Seals to do that.
The Breaking of the Seals is as a ‘Reading of the Will’. And in this case, the Beneficiary who has died, Jesus, is now forevermore alive and now authorized to execute the Contents of the Will or the Scroll of that ‘Last Will and Testament’. Obviously this is one’s Supposition and helps to visualize what could be the case, Prophetically. Thus, it is at the Mid-Point of the 7-Year Tribulation that Lucifer is then forever Evicted from Heaven to never accuse the Bride anymore. This is thanks to the Resurrection of Jesus.
Thus, as Lucifer no longer can accuse nor face the Woman of the Lion/Lamb, the casting down of Lucifer with all of his Fallen Angels occurs. Lucifer then goes after the Physical Bride of YHVH, the Revelation 12 Woman. That is or will be the Believing Remnant that then flees to the Wilderness. This is what one calls the Exodus 2.0. Obviously, this Scenario does not account for the Seals occurring at the End or the 2nd Half of the Tribulation as the 7 Seals lead to the 7 Trumpets and then the 7 Bowls.
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DeleteIf there is a Progressive overlap? Perhaps, but one does not see that. One has considered the Notion that Jesus is to return on Yom Kippur, based on other Models and Scenarios, as it has been suggested. Here is one’s Hesitation, for what it is worth. One subscribes that the 7 Main Feasts of YHVH are like the Prophetic Pattern of the 6 Days of Creation and the Sabbath Day, and like the Menorah, etc. And that Jesus literally has, is and will fulfill them in their Typology in Humanity’s Realm of Space and Time, etc. All that to say that as Jesus fulfilled Passover, Unleavened Bread and the First Fruits of the Barley, that was in the Past and done succinctly.
What is presently being fulfilled is Pentecost, per Acts 2. Now here is where one has been the Proponent of the New Wine Theory of a Summer Wheat Harvest Rapture Timing. Anyway, then in the Future, Jesus will fulfill the 3 remaining Feast Types of Yom Teruah, Yom Kippur and Sukkot, etc. Meaning that if Prophecy is Pattern, then Jesus ‘must’ return on a Yom Teruah, not on a Yom Kippur. So, if one is proposing a Prophetic Fulfilment of Jesus returning on a Yom Kippur? OK, but what about the Prophetic Typology that should correspond to Yom Teruah being fulfilled Prophetically?
As to the 2 Witnesses? It is generally assumed that they either show-up at the beginning or at the Mid-Point of the 2520 Day Count. It is because they have a 1260 Day Mission to accomplish. It is debatable when that will actually occur. But what if the 1260 Day Count is not specifically pegged to either the Beginning or the Mid-Point? Something to consider. But it will be as in the Days of Ahab and Pharaoh as the AntiChrist and the False Prophet will be as a Type to have Israel needing to deal with, leading to a final Conclusion and Redemption.
Because of this, one interprets that the Seals, being the beginning of the Lamb’s Wrath, all-inclusive is what excludes the Church from any part of it, as it cannot be under the Wrath of the Lamb. And in one’s Interpretation, the Bride of the Lion, the Lamb is seated in Court, as the 24 Elders who have been redeemed by the Blood, it states, etc. She is essentially the Witness to the Reading of the Will or the Scroll of the 7 Seals, etc.
One sees the Rationale for what some Brethren assume the Shortening of the Days could actually mean. Notwithstanding, it is not pertinent to the Church Body as the Bride is not the Remnant nor the ‘Elect’, respectfully. That is Israel and why for the sake of the Jewish Believing Remnant, that is the Elect, the Duration of the Tribulation Period will not exceed the last Sabbath Remaining that is owed by Israel for not keeping the Sabbaths of the Land. This has nothing to do with the Church Age, as its Temple, Promised Land and Inheritance is not Geo-Political nor Geographic, etc.
One would contend that there is the Age of the Church and that Age or Dispensation is concluded with the Rapture. As with any Military Commission, there is an agreed upon Duration of Service and then a Terminal Date that then involves what is called a Separation. Once the Commission of the Church is concluded, the last remaining Sabbath of Israel is to commence, once the Church Commission is concluded the Rapture is that ‘Separation’, from the Earth and the Age. One cannot have Double-Jeopardy in having the Bride of Christ spend 1 Day past into the Tribulation of Israel.
Thanks for the exchange of Thoughts,
Blessings,
Keep the Watch,
Lu Vega
www.PostScripts.org
Leo's an interesting name for the new pope. I kind of resent that.
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ReplyDeleteOne’s Working Theory is that the 3 Days of Darkness during the Exodus, and the 3 Hours of Darkness at the Crucifixion, and the 30 Minutes or Half Hour of Darkness during the Tribulation Period were and will be caused by this Astronomical Phenomena of the Flyby of Planet X.
If one considers the scope and magnitude of the Earth-Wide Calamities that are to occur on Earth during the Tribulation Period, a Flyby of ‘Nemesis’, Earths’ Binary 2nd Sun could do just that. Perhaps it is a stretch but consider that one’s Theory precisely incorporated the Blood Moons that occurred on Passover, on the 2 prior occasions and will again.
One is convinced that the Blood Moon of -1448 BC was when the Exodus occurred, on the 15th Day of Nisan. And then, what is supporting Evidence, is that the Blood Moon of Nisan 14-15, going into Midnight is what occurred during the Crucifixion in 32 AD. Thus, if Prophecy is Pattern, is there a Blood Moon on Passover in 2032? Yes. It is on 2nd Passover though.
But here then is the corresponding Time of Darkness. It has gone from 3 Day to 3 Hours, to then 30 Minutes, etc. Coincidence? Perhaps but it would explain Joel in that it is not just a Poetic Nuance of a Description of Judgment, but rather an actual corresponding and Astronomical Occurrence.
Keep the Watch
Blessings,
Lu Vega
www.PostScripts.org
This has nothing to do with the current topics, but I thought I'd share. We all deal so much with the "Works theology" error.
ReplyDeleteI found this, and though it's always been there, it just registered the other day when I came across it I was actually looking for the portion about "Do not complain" for a totally different conversation. :)
Philippians 2:13
"For it is God who works in you to will and to act on behalf of His good purpose."
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I don't know how many I run into people who think (Ephesians 2:10) refers to "their works".
Ephesians 2:10
"For we are God’s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance as our way of life."
DEATH OF POPE FRANCIS AND THE PETER PROPHECY UPDATE: NEW POPE SELECTED – “VOICE OF PETER” (May 8, 2025)
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