Partial Rapture vs. Whole Rapture: A Biblical Defense of Our Blessed Hope

The partial-rapture theory posits that only certain “worthy” or vigilant Christians—those deemed faithful through works, suffering, or active watching—will be raptured before the Tribulation, while other genuine believers who are carnal, backslidden, or not sufficiently ready will be left behind to endure the seven-year period of God’s wrath.1, 4, 6 Proponents often cite passages like the Parable of the Ten Virgins (Mt. 25:1–13) or calls to “overcome” in Revelation 2–3, interpreting them as conditions for rapture participation.2, 5 This view suggests a divided Church, with some believers escaping via rapture and others purified through tribulation trials or even temporary exclusion from millennial blessings.4, 6

In contrast, the whole-rapture theory, or full pre-tribulation rapture, affirms that all true believers in Jesus Christ—those who trust in Him alone for salvation by grace through faith (Eph. 2:8–9)—will be caught up together before the Tribulation begins.1, 3, 7 This includes both the living and the dead in Christ, as described in 1 Thessalonians 4:13–18:

For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.

The whole-rapture view emphasizes the unity of the Body of Christ (Eph. 4:4–6) and God’s promise to deliver His Church from wrath (1 Thess. 1:10; 5:9; Rev. 3:10), without additional merit-based qualifications beyond faith in Christ’s finished work.1, 3, 4

Section 1: Scriptural Promises of a Whole Rapture of the Body of Christ

Scripture repeatedly promises a complete deliverance for all believers, rooted in grace rather than works. Partial-rapture theories undermine this by introducing performance-based criteria, contradicting the gospel’s core message that salvation—and by extension, rapture participation (“glorification”)—is by faith alone (Romans 11:6: “And if by grace, then it cannot be based on works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace”).1, 4, 6

First, the rapture passages describe a unified event for everyone “in Christ.” In 1 Thessalonians 4:13–18, Paul comforts believers by assuring that “we who are still alive” will join the resurrected dead in Christ, with no distinction based on spiritual maturity.1, 7 Similarly, 1 Corinthians 15:51–52 states:

Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed—in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet.

The word “all” encompasses every believer, even those in carnal churches like Corinth (cf. 1 Cor. 3:1–3), who are still “sanctified in Christ Jesus” (1 Cor. 1:2).1, 6 If the partial-rapture theory was true, these texts would specify exclusions, but they do not.4, 6

Second, God promises exemption from wrath for the entire Church. Romans 8:1 declares, “Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus,” while 1 Thessalonians 5:9 affirms, “For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.”1, 3 Revelation 3:10 adds:

Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth.

This “keeping from” (Greek ek, meaning “out of”) implies complete removal, not protection through trials, for all Philadelphian-like believers—who represent the faithful Church as a whole (those who have kept Christ’s word: the Gospel).1, 3

Third, the Body of Christ is indivisible. Ephesians 5:25–27 portrays the Church as Christ’s Bride, presented “without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless.”1 Partial rapture would amputate parts of this Body, contradicting 1 Corinthians 12:12–27:

Just as a body, though one, has many parts, but all its many parts form one body, so it is with Christ.1, 6

All believers are sealed with the Holy Spirit as a guarantee (Eph. 1:13–14; 4:30), ensuring their inheritance without revocation.1

Finally, grace precludes works-based distinctions. Romans 8:29–30 promises that all justified are glorified, with no conditional gaps.6 Galatians 3:29 declares believers “Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise,” an unconditional inheritance by faith (Gal. 3:18).1 Partial rapture introduces legalism, as if Christ’s blood covers salvation but not rapture readiness; yet 1 John 1:7–9 assures cleansing from all sin—past, present, and future—for those who acknowledge their sinfulness and need for salvation.1, 4, 6

Section 2: The Harvest Cycle

Partial-rapture proponents often appeal to Israel’s harvest cycle in Leviticus 23 and 25 to support phased raptures among believers: barley as firstfruits (watchful or “overcoming” Christians raptured gently before the Tribulation), wheat as the main harvest (less vigilant believers refined through the Tribulation’s trials), and later elements like grapes or oil as further judgments or gatherings.1, 4 They note that barley is harvested by winnowing—tossing into the air to separate grain from chaff, akin to the rapture’s upward catching away (1 Thess. 4:17)—while wheat requires threshing with a tribulum, a heavy sledge that crushes the stalks, symbolizing the Tribulation’s afflictions.1

However, this analogy better supports the full pre-tribulation rapture of the entire Church, distinguishing it from the separate group of Tribulation Saints who come to faith during the Tribulation (not before!). The Church, as the complete Body of Christ in this age, aligns with the barley harvest: a gentle, pre-tribulation gathering where all believers are winnowed and taken up without enduring wrath, reflecting the rapture’s sudden, upward motion.1, 3 Scripture portrays the Church as “firstfruits” unto God (2 Thess. 2:13; Jas. 1:18; Heb. 12:23), fully harvested at once by grace, not divided by degrees of faithfulness.1

In contrast, the wheat harvest corresponds to the Tribulation Saints—those saved after the rapture during the seven-year period (Revelation 7:9–17: “These are they who have come out of the great tribulation”).1, 4 These new believers, distinct from the pre-trib Church (as the Church Age ends at the rapture), endure the Tribulation’s “crushing” trials, much like wheat under the tribulum, before being gathered at Christ’s Second Coming.1 Finally, the grape harvest in Revelation 14:17–20 represents the wicked harvested for judgment in the winepress of God’s wrath (Isa. 63:3; Jl. 3:13), not believers.1

This interpretation preserves the unity of the Church (Eph. 4:4) and avoids the partial-rapture’s inconsistency of dividing one Body into merit-based tiers.4, 6 Proponents of partial rapture lack consistent hermeneutics here, as some assign barley to “overcomers” within the Church, others to resurrection phases, without scriptural warrant for intra-Church separation.1, 4 Instead, the harvest cycle underscores distinct dispensational groups: the full Church raptured as barley, Tribulation Saints as wheat through trials, and unbelievers as grapes in wrath—urging all to believe now for inclusion in the gentle barley harvest (2 Cor. 6:2).1

Note that the barley harvest, typically ending before Pentecost, would typologically conclude around the time of Christ’s ascension, which in itself is a picture of the rapture (being lifted up into the sky, hidden by a cloud, and disappearing: Acts 1:9). What immediately followed was the appearance of two messengers/angels (Acts 1:10), a further picture of the transfer of witness from the raptured Church to the two witnesses whose ministry of prophetic proclamation will follow. It should be further noted that Pentecost is not pertinent to the Church and Church Age alone, as it also signaled the Mosaic covenant at Sinai / the Age of Law, and it may serve further purposes in the future. As I discussed many years back, the Bible is not as woodenly literal in its use of symbols and types as interpreters are (e.g., the Church is not just the Bride, it is also the Body, a spiritual temple, “one new man,” a man-child, etc.; likewise, though the Church is barley along with Christ, the wheat-harvest phase initiated with Pentecost can also represent the Church Age).

Section 3: The Olivet Discourse and the Call to Be Watching and Ready

The Olivet Discourse (Mt. 24-25; Mk. 13; Lk. 21) is often cited by partial-rapture advocates to argue that only those “watching” and “ready” will be raptured. Passages like Matthew 24:42–44 (“Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come”) and the Parable of the Ten Virgins (Mt. 25:1–13) are interpreted as requiring vigilance as a faithfulness condition, with the foolish virgins as unprepared believers left behind.2, 4, 5

However, explicit/technical context shows the Discourse addresses Israel’s tribulation experience, not the Church’s rapture. Matthew 24:3 frames it as signs of Christ’s coming and the end of the age, post-rapture for the Church (1 Thess. 4:17).2, 5 The “elect” gathered in Matthew 24:31 are tribulation survivors (Jewish remnant: Zech. 13:8–9; explicitly Israel: Isa. 27:12–13), not the Church.2 Calls to watch (Luke 21:36: “Be always on the watch, and pray that you may be able to escape all that is about to happen”) exhort endurance through trials, not rapture prerequisites.2, 5

The Parable of the Ten Virgins applies only secondarily to the Church but primarily warns tribulation-era professing believers. The five foolish virgins lack oil (Holy Spirit indwelling, Romans 8:9), representing unbelievers shut out (“I don’t know you,” Mt. 25:12; cf. Mt. 7:23).2, 5 All virgins sleep (Mt. 25:5) and are thus not watching, yet wise ones enter via relationship with Christ—not superior vigilance.2, 5 If for the rapture, it would contradict grace; instead, it urges genuine faith, as the Bride (Church) is absent, already raptured (Ps. 45:14–15 typology: the Church is the Bride, not the bridesmaids).3

Watching is commanded for encouragement, productivity, and rewards (1 Thess. 5:6–8; 2 Tim. 4:8), not as a rapture ticket.1, 7 Paul in 1 Thessalonians 5:10 indicates even non-vigilant Christians participate:

He died for us so that, whether we are awake or asleep, we may live together with him.7

Here, “asleep” (Greek katheudo) means spiritual lethargy, lack of vigilance, or lack of watching, not physical death (contrast koimao in 1 Thessalonians 4:13–15).7 All believers, watchful or not, are raptured by Christ’s merit, facing Bema Seat evaluation later (1 Corinthians 3:10–15: saved “as one escaping through the flames”).1, 6

Partial-rapture theories inconsistently interpret these texts, blending Church and Israel, grace and works, believers and unbelievers, and clear distinctions in Scripture—few proponents agree on “worthiness” criteria, exposing a fundamental subjectivity.4, 6

Section 4: The Rapture is 100% a Salvation Issue

The rapture is not a peripheral event but the culmination of salvation itself—the glorification of the believer’s body, completing the triune process of justification, sanctification, and glorification, all secured by Christ’s merit alone through faith. Romans 8:23 speaks of “eagerly waiting for our adoption to sonship, the redemption of our bodies,” linking this bodily redemption directly to salvation:

For in this hope we were saved.

This echoes Philippians 3:20–21:

But our citizenship is in heaven. And we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ, who . . . will transform our lowly bodies so that they will be like his glorious body.

The rapture and resurrection are this transformation, guaranteed to every believer. Hebrews 9:28 ties Christ’s return explicitly to salvation:

So Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.

This “salvation” encompasses the full package, including bodily glorification at the rapture (1 Corinthians 15:51–54: “We will all be changed . . . the mortal with immortality”). Partial rapture would make glorification conditional on works, but Romans 8:30 assures that “those he justified, he also glorified”—a past tense certainty for all in Christ. By faith alone, we receive the whole salvation: justified by His blood (Rm. 5:9), sanctified by His Spirit (1 Cor. 6:11), and glorified at His coming (Col. 3:4: “When Christ, who is your life, appears, then you also will appear with him in glory”). No [true/genuine/real] believer is left behind; salvation is complete in Him. Nor can genuine salvation, once received, be forfeited lest we deny eternal security. The born cannot be unborn. God’s gifts are irrevocable.

Section 5: Confession of Sin Unto Salvation

Confession of sin as described in 1 John 1:9—“If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness”—is fundamentally an acknowledgment of our sinfulness and need for the Savior, aligning with the gospel belief that Christ “died for our sins” (1 Cor. 15:3). It’s not a tally of every individual transgression, which would be completely and unquestionably impossible, as Psalm 19:12 asks: “But who can discern their own errors? Forgive my hidden faults.” Partial rapture views that tie “readiness” to exhaustive confession create an ambiguous sliding scale, impossible to meet perfectly by anyone.

God doesn’t grade on a curve; His righteousness is absolute (Deuteronomy 32:4: “He is the Rock, his works are perfect, and all his ways are just”). Romans 3:23–24 reminds us:

For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.

And let us not forget Paul’s wearying struggle that every believer experiences from the moment of justification to the moment of glorification: sin remaining in the flesh (Rm. 7). Assurance of salvation—justification, sanctification, and glorification—rests entirely and solely on Christ’s once-for-all sacrifice (Heb. 10:10: “We have been made holy [i.e., sanctified] through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all”). To demand perfect confession for rapture worthiness nullifies grace, as no one could qualify. Instead, faith in His blood covers all (Romans 4:7–8: “Blessed are those whose transgressions are forgiven, whose sins are covered”).

Section 6: Partial Rapture Shifts Faith from Christ to Self

Partial rapture inevitably transfers faith, at least for the rapture, from Christ to self—relying on personal performance rather than His sufficiency. This contradicts Galatians 3:3:

Are you so foolish? After beginning by means of the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by means of the flesh?

Paul emphasizes that the entire Christian life, from justification to glorification, is by faith: “The righteous will live by faith” (Gal. 3:11, quoting Hab. 2:4). Not just initial salvation, but the whole journey: “We live by faith, not by sight” (2 Cor. 5:7).

Any view conditioning rapture on works echoes the Galatian error of adding law to grace (Gal. 5:4: “You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace”). Faith in Christ alone is the “ticket” (John 3:16: “Whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life”). To insert self-effort devalues His cross, as Colossians 2:10 declares:

And in Christ you have been brought to fullness.

Compare also the promises of Ephesians 1:3 and 2 Peter 1:3 which echo the same sentiment. The rapture is part of that fullness, secured by His righteousness imputed to us (2 Cor. 5:21), not our flawed attempts. True faith rests in Him entirely (Hebrews 4:10: “Anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works”).

Now consider this: if genuine believers in Jesus Christ and members of His mystical Body were left behind at the rapture because of failure to [fill in the blank], where then would they place their faith?

Answer: it wouldn’t be Jesus—that’s for sure. It would be self and self alone. Thus, if Christians do in fact find themselves “left behind,” only two conclusions can be drawn: (1) they were Christian in name only, and (2) their faith was never truly in Jesus for salvation (probably in self, one’s own works, etc.).

Section 7: Devaluing the Concern of False Believers

Partial rapture devalues Scripture’s warnings about false believers who will indeed be left behind—those who merely profess faith but lack genuine regeneration. 1 John 2:19 clarifies:

They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us.

Possible examples abound: Demas, who “loved this world” and deserted Paul (2 Tim. 4:10); perhaps Ananias and Sapphira, struck down for lying to the Holy Spirit (Acts 5:1–11), revealing likely unregenerate hearts. Simon Magus who thought the Holy Spirit could be purchased rather than recognizing the Spirit can only be given. And of course Judas who walked with Jesus, but in the end rejected His way and His plan.

James 2:14–17 probes:

What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them?

Claiming faith isn’t possessing it; true faith produces fruit (Eph. 2:10)—if even in a way only perceptible to God—but salvation is by faith alone (Rm. 4:5). Legalists trusting in works for justification or rapture may fit Matthew 7:22–23:

Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name . . . ?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you.’

Partial views blur this, attributing left-behind status to “carnal Christians” instead of exposing false profession. All true believers persevere by God’s power (1 Peter 1:5: “Who through faith are shielded by God’s power until the coming of the salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time”).

Section 8: Impossibility of Defiling Christ’s Righteousness

Arguments that true believers can “defile their garments” through sin—garments symbolizing God’s imputed righteousness—create profound theological issues, devaluing God’s perfection and misunderstanding imputation. Isaiah 61:10 rejoices:

He has clothed me with garments of salvation and arrayed me in a robe of his righteousness.

This righteousness is Christ’s, imputed to us (Romans 4:6: “God credits righteousness apart from works”), not our own that can be soiled. To suggest defilement implies we can undo His work, but Hebrews 10:14 assures:

By one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy.

In the life of the true believer, sin affects many things—joy, productivity, our witness, those around us, eternal rewards—but not standing, not relationship, not Body participation (Romans 8:38–39: “Nothing . . . will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord”). Imputation means crediting His spotless record to us (Philippians 3:9: “Not having a righteousness of my own . . . but that which is through faith in Christ”). Partial rapture’s “defiled garments” view revives Old Covenant shadows, ignoring the New: “You were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ” (1 Cor. 6:11). His blood cleanses eternally (Heb. 9:12).

Conclusion

In summary, Scripture’s case for a whole pre-trib rapture is overwhelming: all believers are promised unified deliverance (1 Thess. 4:16–17), exemption from wrath (1 Thess. 1:10; 5:9), and indivisible Body membership (1 Cor. 12:27), by grace through faith alone (Eph. 2:8–9).1, 3, 7 Partial-rapture theories falter on inconsistencies—mixing works with grace (Galatians 5:4), dividing Christ’s Bride, confusing audience and era (e.g., the Olivet Discourse), and lacking consistent hermeneutics (e.g., varying harvest phases or “overcomer” definitions).4, 6 They devalue warnings meant for unbelievers (Heb. 10:26–31) and undermine assurance (Jn. 10:28–29).1, 6

The theological issues with partial rapture are clear and numerous: no explicit Scriptural support for or pastoral address regarding a divided Church (contrast 1 Thessalonians 4:18: “Encourage one another with these words”); it fractures the Body (Ephesians 4:4: “One body and one Spirit”); requires works for glorification, clashing with passages equating rapture to final salvation for all believers (Rm. 8:23; Heb. 9:28); promotes inconsistent hermeneutics, twisting parables and harvests; and fosters fear over assurance (John 5:24: “Whoever hears my word and believes . . . has eternal life and will not be judged”). Ultimately, it shifts gaze from Christ’s sufficiency to self, undermining the gospel.

Believers, trust Christ’s finished work alone: whether vigilant or struggling, you are secure. Watch eagerly for hope and rewards, but rest in His promise—He will rapture all who call on Him (Rm. 10:13). The door to the Ark closes very, very soon, so believe today. Tomorrow isn’t promised!

MARANATHA!

Footnotes

1. https://www.unsealed.org/2017/03/who-will-be-raptured.html

2. https://www.unsealed.org/2017/06/the-parable-of-ten-virgins.html

3. https://www.unsealed.org/2020/02/the-prophetic-pre-trib-psalm-of-church.html

4. https://www.gotquestions.org/partial-rapture.html

5. https://gracethrufaith.com/topical-studies/parables/the-parable-of-the-ten-virgins

6. https://www.myrtlefieldhouse.com/david-gooding-answers/partial-rapture-doctrine

7. https://www.unsealed.org/2020/12/harpazo-finally-pictured-in-sky.html

Topics Bible Prophecy, Bible Study, Gary, Pre-Tribulational rapture, rapture, Rapture Ready, Spotlight

102 comments:

unknown10/31/2025 4:23 PM
Thanks, Gary.

It seems to me that Lot was personally struggling to be counted worthy before Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed . . . but Yahweh still saved him from out of it.

Granted, that was a only a local judgment, and not a grand, universal finale. But I think the example is informative. And I think the scope of the Tribulation would make the Lord's Grace more than just sufficient but altogether worthy of His glory.

Jeremy
Pastor Rich10/31/2025 8:53 PM
Pentagon cleared giving Ukraine long-range Tomahawk missiles, leaving final decision to Trump

Quoting, CNN,

The Pentagon has given the White House the green light to provide Ukraine with long-range Tomahawk missiles after assessing that it would not negatively impact US stockpiles, leaving the final political decision in President Donald Trump’s hands, according to three US and European officials familiar with the matter.

Trump said earlier this month during a working lunch with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky at the White House that he would rather not provide the missiles to Ukraine because “we don’t want to be giving away things that we need to protect our country.”

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Shadows of the dragon...
PostScripts10/31/2025 8:54 PM
RE: WHO WILL GO UP IN THE RAPTURE?

PART 1/4
Gary and Unsealed.org Fam,
Allow me to be the ‘Contrarian’ on this topic of who gets to go on the Rapture. Is the Rapture unconditional, regardless of one’s Spiritual State or lack thereof? Does striving for Holiness, not ‘Perfection’ mean nothing and will account for nothing as to not factor into being possibly disqualified from who gets to go in the Rapture?

Are there no ‘Left Behind’ to have to endure and suffer through the Tribulation of Jacob’ Trouble and what Israel still owes YHVH and not the Church? One will approach this rebuttal, which will be long, with respect and in the spirit of fellowship and to say, from the top, that one does not know. But as it has been presented, very scripturally, that the Rapture is unconditional, it is only based on what one decides to accept, believe and subscribe to, scripturally.

In such similar inference, one will provide Scripture, likewise that would appear to refute this notion of an unconditional ‘Rapture Ride’. These are just one’s understandings at this point of one’s Journey of Faith and learning. This topic is also has been discussed at length over at the Revelation 12 Daily Blog for years. So, allow one to start with some Truth Statements and general agreement, theologically about the Rapture.

1) One agrees that all who are of Christ Jesus, redeemed, will go-up in the Rapture.

2) The Rapture is the occasion of the rendezvous of the Bride meeting the Groom.

3) The Body of Christ is to encourage others as the Day can be seen approaching.
For context, I take walks on campus, walking in the ‘Cool of the Evening’ as in Eden. One takes it as if one was walking with Jesus. And this thought came to mind about envisioning myself preaching the Gospel and explaining how in Eternity Past, the Work of Redemption has been already accomplished but is working its way through our Dimension as we are bound in Space, Time and Matter. But also, who gets to go on the Rapture? Then I came back to the office to find your new Post about the Rapture.

The notion is about how Jesus, as the Passover Lamb ‘had been slain’ already since before the Foundations of the Earth were laid. How can you explain that? Or in one’s case having received the Gift of Salvation, by Grace, not of Works, but to do Good Works, how is that explained in that we still have the capacity to sin presently in one’s body? Well, it is because we are still connected to one’s body of sin. In a sense, the Redeemed in Jesus are a ‘Walking Contradiction’. This is what the Apostle Paul taught about, the Carnal vs. the Spiritual Man, and how the ‘Deeds of the Flesh’ need to be put to Death, daily if not moment by moment, etc.

Although we were Justified in the Spirit, and we await the Glorification of the Body, the present Sanctification of the Soul is at stake and what is the Battleground. This is where the Spiritual Warfare occurs where the Bride of Christ has to contend with: Sin, Self, Satan and Society. But thanks that Jesus sent the Holy Spirit that indwells us, mysteriously and with that as a Permanent Seal, is just the ‘Down Payment’ of the whole to come. And by walking and yielding to its leading, we can and do overcome as Jesus did, in the Body. This is how one explains to others this 3-Fold Salvation ‘Package’ that one calls it. This is all in context to how one will then address the Rapture
Pastor Rich10/31/2025 9:49 PM
Gary,

I cannot help but feel like I'm part of the reason for this article. Although I don't agree with some of your points, I do wholeheartedly agree with your closing statement word for word,

"Believers, trust Christ’s finished work alone: whether vigilant or struggling, you are secure. Watch eagerly for hope and rewards, but rest in His promise—He will rapture all who call on Him (Rm. 10:13). The door to the Ark closes very, very soon, so believe today. Tomorrow isn’t promised!"

I, for one, take the warnings of Jesus in His letters to the churches very seriously. Vigilant or struggling is one thing; an adulterous, idolatrous, worldly mind comparable to Lot's wife is another,

32 "Remember Lot's wife."

RED LETTERS (Luke 17:32 ESV)

Although Lot and his daughters were delivered, his wife was not. She was literally left-behind.

May we all be sincere in our faith remembering,

34 "But watch yourselves lest
your hearts be weighed down
with dissipation and drunken-
ness and cares of this life, and
that day come upon you
suddenly like a trap.

35 For it will come upon all
who dwell on the face of the
whole earth.

36 But stay awake at all times,
praying that you may have
strength to escape all these
thinks that are going to take
place, and to stand before the
Son of Man."

RED LETTERS (Luke 21:34-36 ESV)

For the record, and emphasizing that these points do not regard salvation, I humbly believe heartily that the Olivet Discourse is written for the church, not the Jews, and the warnings of Christ to the church in the parable of the virgins as well as His letters to the churches, do indicate a partial rapture. It's not a salvation question, it's a relational issue. Willful, double-minded, desire for the world.

Evidence to this is found in (Revelation 12:17),

17 Then the dragon became
furious with the woman and
went off to make war on the
rest [λοιπῶν] of her offspring...

The Topical Lexicon Overview states,

"Strong’s Greek 3062 (loipos and its inflected forms) denotes what is left after a separation has occurred—“the rest,” “those remaining,” or, used adverbially, “for the rest / finally.” In Scripture this single word often marks a decisive boundary between two groups, circumstances, or time periods. One part stands fulfilled, judged, or addressed; the loipos becomes the object of renewed warning, further instruction, or fresh hope."

Two groups:

1. The taken
2. The left-behind

If all are taken from the churches at the RR, what is this remnant that is left that holds to the testimony of Jesus? Yes, the dragon will make war on the 70th week saints, but these saints in verse 17 appear present immediately after the harpazo. The 70th week saints will take time to aggregate just as the elect who flee to the wilderness. IMHO and belief, these (left-behind) are among those who were seen dwelling on the earth in (Revelation 3:10). We can recognize them because they hold to the testimony of Jesus but are willfully double-minded. Like Lot's wife? I believe so.

What set Lot's wife apart from Lot and his daughters?

Was it her heart for her world? For Sodom and Gomorrah?

This is why I say, "Keep His Word and do not deny His Name." It is how we are counted worthy to stand before the Son of Man.

Sharing this with the utmost respect, and that you know that I firmly believe that we are already living in the tribulation and according to (Revelation 1:9) have been living in that time since the first century according to John of Patmos.

Even so, this is not a salvation issue. May iron sharpen iron.

All hope in Jesus, all eyes on Christ,

PR

Nan11/01/2025 8:57 AM
I absolutely believe as you do Gary! Believing in a partial rapture puts us back to a "works" salvation! That does not "work"!
Also, the remnant, I believe, are the ones who knew the truth and probably pretended to be a Christian without really accepting Christ. I believe they very quickly get right with God and set out to evangelize.
Hmewrdbd11/01/2025 10:07 AM
Whew, a lot here. Lu, my brother, I agree with you on SO many things, but on this one I respectfully and agreeably and lovingly disagree . It seems, perhaps, that one's view of what the Rapture represents is something to consider. Is the Rapture a "reward" for faithful loyalty, or is it Grace, given in the same way salvation is: unconditional. Can we all agree that we are talking about those who have genuinely been saved, regardless of vigilance and the current state of one's faith and spiritual walk.

While faithful following after the Lord is our spiritual act of service and gratitude for all He has done, our way of loving Him back, is that something that makes us "worthy," worthy to go in the Rapture? How can we ever merit anything? Were all the "dead in Christ" "worthy/blameless" when they died, or will there be a partial Rapture for them also? Will we not all be totally forgiven, allowed to sit down at the Wedding Table? Will not the distinctions of faithfulness be made at the Bema Seat, rather than in who gets to go at all--with many works as chaff, but salvation intact? If the Rapture is partial, since I think we all agree it is a CHURCH/BRIDE event, will Jesus be splitting His Bride so that some join the party at the Rapture while others get "disciplined" by being left out because they don't measure up? When do they get to join the wedding--at the Second Coming with the Trib Saints, who are not a part of the Church?

Like so many doctrines scripture can be used to argue two opposing positions. There is no question we are called to be sanctified, holy as He is holy--to live lives worthy of our calling. There is also no question that many won't. If we have to "merit" the Rapture, then we had to "merit" salvation. It flys in the face of Grace.
PostScripts11/01/2025 10:25 AM
RE: A ‘Remnant Rapture?’
PART 1/2

Nan and Gary,
To be clear, I do not believe in a ‘Partial Rapture’. Here below is my vantage point and understanding, up to this point in time.

- I believe in a Full Rapture in that all those that will be Raptured, will.

- The Rapture is not ‘earned’ by Works because it is given with Salvation.

- The Rapture is a facet within the ‘Matrix’ of Salvation, all-inclusive.

- The Remnant is very clear who they are in the Biblical Context and Comparison, Israel.

Let us consider the word ‘Remnant’ and its definition. The word appears only 2 times in the New Testament, in the Book of Romans and the Book of Revelation. One’s point is that in both places, it is in context to Israel. The Apostle Paul infers to Israel's experience in the Past before the Church Age.

And the Apostle John infers to what Israel will experience in the Future, during Daniel’s 70th Week or Prophetic Sabbath, etc. The vantage point is from the present Church Age where the Dispensational Operation is based on Mercy and Grace, sandwiched by the 2 periods of the Law and ‘Works’.
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DEFINITION: REMNANT

rem·nant ˈrem-nənt

NOUN
1: A usually small part, member, or trace remaining.
2: A small surviving group.
3: An unsold or unused end of piece goods.

ADJECTIVE
Still remaining.
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The Apostle Paul referenced the Remnant or ‘Elect’ (I am not a Calvinist) in how even in the context of the Age of Grace, not all people during this present ‘Pentecostal Intermission’ that one calls the Church Age will choose or want to be saved. And despite this Dispensation being the ‘Better Deal’ in how Grace and Mercy is extended to Humanity during this amazing time when Salvation is not ‘Work-Based’, like with the World of Noah, most will reject it and say ‘No’.

My point is that worse, those that call themselves ‘Brethren’ and are ‘Saved’, and who likewise reject Christ after ‘tasting’ that the LORD is good, willfully choosing to sin and not repent? One is inclined to surmise that their ‘Rapture Ride’ is in danger of being cancelled.

As pointed out scripturally of the types of how one can reject and leave one’s Faith in Jesus, then there is a promised Judgment coming. I do not say this, the Apostle Paul has. Does it not also say in Scripture that 'Judgment begins in the House of GOD?' Why would there be a need for that?

HEBREWS 10
26 If we deliberately go on sinning after we have received the Knowledge of the Truth, no further Sacrifice for Sins remains, 27but only a fearful expectation of Judgment and of Raging Fire that will consume all Adversaries
Nan11/01/2025 11:32 AM
I want to preface my remarks with the fact that I am not as "book smart" as most of you. My beliefs come from THE Book....the Bible. But my understanding of it comes from my faith which is strong. I don't get all the intricate figurings like y'all do. I think this us a gift from God to me. If you are saved...truly saved...you go in the rapture. I don't believe works figure into the rapture. You are either truly saved or not.... so going in the rapture or not. To believe otherwise is saying we have to work for our status and I just don't think that is from God.
I love y'all here...just don't always agree. 😁
I have been excited and studying this for about 50 years...since our church when I was a teen presented a study on it. I've always believed I'd be a part of the rapture. I'm not totally ignorant as I've looked at all views and am hooked on pre trib. All that to say though my understanding is in the heart from faith rather than in my head from charts etc. 😂 I stand on my belief that everyone that has accepted Jesus the Christ as their Savior will be raptured together. Can you imagine someone just coming to faith and we all disappear leaving them??!!
Pastor Rich11/01/2025 11:54 AM
WHO IS LEFT AFTER THE RAPTURE?

I believe the rapture will be complete. All who the Bridegroom knows will be taken -- these are the wise virgins. The foolish will be left-behind.

What of the 144,000? They preach in the name of Jesus but are left-behind. How do we reconcile this? If they knew Jesus, and Jesus them before the RR as elect, would they not also have been taken at the RR? Surely they would. Yet, they remain.

Why?

I suspect, and believe, it is because they are called and come to faith at a time after the harpazo. Part of a great awakening. Called by G-D in the wake of the RR to minister to the woman of (Revelation 12). This is how she is able to be set apart in the wilderness, the elect, in her time to be saved by Grace.

The same could be said for the two-witnesses. If they are present-day humans who come in the spirit of Moses/Enoch and Elijah, then why would they not be taken at the RR? Of course, God can make that happen if He wants to, but you see what I mean. It may be one piece of evidence that the two-witnesses arrive supernaturally at the RR not as humans already living on earth. Was not John in the flesh before the earthly arrival of Jesus? It may be the same pattern here but in reverse.

Christ's Second Coming will be a supernatural event; I suspect the arrival of the two-witnesses will be the same. Supernatural, perhaps at the time of the harpazo.

Finally, we know that the dragon will make war on the offspring of the woman. Given that the man-child was already taken (Revelation 12:5), they are left-behind as well. They hold to the testimony of Jesus and the commandments of God. (Revelation 12:17) Are these what some call the Tribulation Saints? I certainly think they are. Are some of these foolish virgins that were left-behind? I certainly hope so.

Three other (human) groups remain,

1. The woman to be nourished in the wilderness for 1,260 days
2. The lost of Israel -- perhaps as many as 2/3rds?
3. The lost Gentiles -- billions of souls.

Those who bear the mark are clearly remaining. I hesitate to categorize them as human as they are irredeemable.

It's quite the puzzle isn't it? Yet, it fits together perfectly in God's plan. I'm glad understanding this ISN'T A SALVATION QUESTION!!!

...and since we're talking about beliefs, I will offer and confirm that I wholesale REJECT and DO NOT believe in replacement theology. The Church will never replace Israel; but it is the (elect) a remnant of Israel, the woman, that will be saved is it not? Set apart in the wilderness. Wise virgins in their own right that will be nourished by G-D. A feast of a different order?

Hmmm...
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unknown11/01/2025 12:45 PM
Let me clarify, Lu.

I don't know the true origin of Halloween. And I certainly don't have a personal belief on the origin.

But I can say that it's at least possible that the true origin is being misunderstood or purposely disabused.

I do not believe that Halloween was ever an official Church invention, but there are some who think that the idea, itself, of a day of darkness and demons, was born into existence from a post-Flood inkling. An event from the Christian narrative, if you will. Or perhaps some event quite apart from the Celts.

I didn't mean to imply that it was ever an actual holiday or organized "hallowing." More of a traditional recognition or remembrance. Again, the idea is not my own, but nevertheless thought-provoking.

Since I can't possibly know that without a time machine, I prefer to focus on disliking Halloween and entertaining possibilities that add context to the puzzle before us.

It's in the connections that I find the most joy. Finding those instances where the unexpected and fantastical become the likely and probable.

Halloween is just one example of a poorly understood case.

Another perfect example would be the argument that the Lost Jewish Tribe of Dan eventually became the Spartan city-state. Crazy? Maybe. Possible? Maybe. And that's based on a letter to the Jews from one of the Spartan kings. Credit to Prophecy Watchers for an excellent article on the topic.

Jeremy
unknown11/01/2025 1:02 PM
The full or partial Rapture argument doesn't hold any appeal for me.

The only thing we can know with certainty is that the King of Righteousness will work righteously.

And if you're reading this right now, then you probably aren't the one we should all be concerned about.

Better to consider the puzzle pieces and the greater story, so that the Gospel is better served and disseminated. For it is through a clearer understanding of our current, physical reality that others will recognize how much they fall short of the mark.

We can open someone's eyes and give them sight, but we can't give them a new heart, or win a battle of willpower for them. That is the Lord's domain.

I think it will suffice to say that Salvation and Rapture are serious terms which ought to be taken seriously.

Jeremy
Gary11/01/2025 2:32 PM
Alright friends, this has become quite a big post! Added new sections (#4–8) and labeled every section so as to find things quickly. Blessings... and put your faith in Christ ALONE!!!
PostScripts11/01/2025 2:47 PM
RE: Halloween?
PART 1/3

Jeremy,
Thanks for the calcification. I understand that we cannot possibly include every detail or point in one’s mind and pin that to paper or a post. Perhaps I am a bit sensitive about this, as I am a lot of things, which my ‘people’ over at Revelation 12 Daily can attest!

It is that I was born and raised in a 3rd World country where Witchcraft, Sorcery, Idols, praying to the Dead and casting Spells or Hexes on people were real and occurred on almost a daily basis. Such a disposition to be involved in that type of Darkness was and is still part of the culture, even more profoundly now.

When my family immigrated to the USA, it was amazing how there was so much Light, due to the Gospel’s fervor and resolve in its Christ’s people, so much so in the Christians that it spilled over into Society in general. This was back in the mid-1960s. How time and society in the USA has changed. And with the decline of the Gospel Light, the Darkness has rushed it.

The Occult, Satanism and Witchcraft being practiced now in the USA, in comparison to before is off the charts, as they say. Because of one’s direct exposure to the Dark Arts, I have also studied it and Luciferianism. In fact, 1 of my motifs or logos is an inverted Masonic Square and Compass. It is to expose the tactics of the Enemies of the Cross of Christ and not be ignorant of Lucifer’s Devices, etc.

But what one did observe in the USA, is the celebration of Halloween, and how it is based on the ancient Celtic and Druid Magic Rituals. However, if one really dives into the origins of those practices and in every culture, for that matter, they go back to Babylon. It boils down to the Child Sacrifices to Ba’al, and the sexual rituals involved in the ‘High Places’ or Groves. I happen to live about 45 minutes from Bohemian Grove.

Their yearly Opening Celebration starts off with the ‘Cremation of Care’. They burn in ‘effigy’ a Human to represent that ‘care’. But it is done in front of the giant Moloch Owl, an alternative motif for Ba’al is modern Witchcraft and Child Sacrifice, hidden in plain sight. Their Satanic Priest dress-up in their Dagon Fish Robes and Miters. As I work at Sonoma State University, I can attest, by 1st-hand accounts from my former Students of how both young men and women students had been propositioned.

One fellow Colleague was invited and had an actual Wizard that ‘blesses’ the events beforehand with Magic Spells. It is considered the ‘Summer Club House’ where the Rich, Famous and Powerful of the world are chosen, groomed and commissioned. And all the ‘rumors’ about busing young men, for example from San Francisco for their sexual entertainment and other things are true.

All that to say, that the origins of Halloween, as practiced in the USA, due to its strong Scottish, Irish and English heritage is very sobering. One of my primary sources research into this topic is the former Jesuit turned Christian, Alberto Rivera. He explained, for example, the notion of the ‘Trick or Treat’. It was based on how the Druids would go house-to-house in search of a Human Sacrifice to be offered to the Prince of Darkness, their Master, i.e., Lucifer at Midnight Hour on All-Hollow’s Eve.
Pastor Rich11/01/2025 3:07 PM
ON-RAMPS AND OFF-RAMPS

Now that we have another awesome topic for lively discussion, I got thinking about Enoch. Adam was sinless and walked with God in the garden until the fall. This was the off-ramp for man walking with God in the most classic of terms. A gulf was created that Jesus came to bridge.

The generations of the Son of Man are given through Moses in (Genesis 5) beginning with,

1. Adam
2. Seth
3. Enosh
4. Kenan
5. Mahalalel
6. Jared
7. Enoch

Where we find,

21 When Enoch had lived 65
years, he fathered Methuselah.

22 Enoch walked with God
after he fathered Methuselah
300 years and had other sons
and daughters.

23 Thus all the days of Enoch
were 365 years.

24 Enoch walked with God,
and he was not, for God took
him.

(Genesis 5:21-24 ESV)

My JPS Tanakh renders verse 24 as,

24 Enoch walked with God; then he
was no more, for God took him.

A keyword in that verse is "took" or ("לָקַ֥ח") meaning, to take (in the widest variety of applications) according to the Lexical Summary at Biblehub.com. We understand this as the first instance of the rapture of a living human from the face of the earth. Enoch was taken.

Why?

Scripture explains Scripture; because Enoch walked with God. The Hebrew word used here for "walked" comes from Strong's Concordance (H1980) being, "הָלַךְ" which is,

1. A primitive root
2. Meaning to walk in a great variety of applications, literally and figuratively

It would seem that Enoch walked with God in many ways both literally and figuratively. He was a man with a heart on fire for God. By personal faith we know what this looks like because we know Jesus through the Bible. Enoch knew the LORD "יהוה" God "אֱלֹהִ֑ים" in a VERY special way, and given that Jesus is "יהוה", that's all that was required.

Knowing "יהוה" and walking with Him.

That walk suggests a great many things. These are things unpacked in the Bible, with the most important being the Greatest Commandment. Did Enoch get that? I believe he did, and in a way nobody else did at the time.

In a sense, we're all left-behind compared to Enoch save Elijah.

What, then, is our individual response to knowing that Enoch walked with God and was taken? It's not much different than a marriage covenant is it? Yes, promises are made and broken; that's why we have a thing called forgiveness. An act of grace that requires repentance. The lack of repentance, the lack of Love, the lack of mutual respect and obedience to the promise is no better than the character on display in the slothful servant.

No love. No humility. No repentance.

That may be the dividing line between the wise and foolish virgins. Only Jesus can judge, but how can a marriage survive with no love, no humility and no repentance? Marriage is sacrificial. Jesus paid for His bride with His blood. What is the price of her sacrificial love? The oil of her Love comes at the price of her pride.

Pride was the off-ramp for Adam and Eve as they were separated from God. Loving obedience, humility and a contrite heart are the on-ramp for reunion with our Beloved. I always remember this verse given through the prophet Isaiah,

15 For thus says the One who
is high and lifted up, who inhabits
eternity, whose name is Holy:

"I dwell in the high and holy place,
and also with him who is of a
contrite and lowly spirit, to revive
the spirit of the lowly, and to
revive the heart of the contrite."

(Isaiah 57:15 ESV)

How is it that the lowly and contrite are lifted up?

They are revived!

All hope in Jesus,all eyes on Christ,

PR
Fred11/01/2025 3:48 PM
Dear Brothers and Sisters in the Faith in Christ-God,

Partial vs. Total Rapture

My feeling is that, in a certain way, each of us chooses whether or not to be raptured.

And I don't think it's simply a "binary" choice like "I want to be raptured" or "I don't want to be raptured," but rather a series of life choices reflected in all our thoughts, reflections, and then in each of our words and actions.

Let me explain: if we are in Christ, all our thoughts are "imbued" with His Word, His Love, and His Justice.

It's a constant, conscious orientation in life, like a careful driver on the road who takes pleasure in ensuring the safety of himself, of any passengers he may have, and all other traffic.

I repeat, he ENJOYS it, he doesn't have to force himself.
He knows the rules, he sees the road signs and the signals of other vehicles, and he takes all of that into account to ensure everything goes smoothly.

But it goes much further than that.
He slows down spontaneously (but carefully, to respect those behind him) if he observes a particular hazard —children, gravel, oil on the road, frost or ice in winter— in short, he wants everything to go well.
And finally, if someone honks behind him, he'll do everything he can to allow this vehicle to pass safely.

But if, by some extraordinary circumstance, something truly special happens —for example, a pedestrian who has fallen and may be injured— he takes matters into his own hands and acts as a "rescuer," as he has learned (see the parable of the Good Samaritan).

This has become his way of driving, and he does it as much for himself as for others (and to respect the traffic laws, i.e., the Law of God-Jesus).

This doesn't mean he always drives perfectly, nor that he never gets angry.
He might even cause a collision or an accident one day.
In that case, he will acknowledge his responsibility, accept the consequences... and above all, do everything he can to prevent it from happening again.

That's my everyday life, in all things.
God-Jesus, through Paul, told us:
1 Thessalonians 5:16 "Rejoice always. Pray without ceasing. Be thankful in all things".
Philippians 4:4-9 "Rejoice in the Lord always. I will say it again: Rejoice! May your goodness be evident to all".

Am I better than anyone else ?
Oh no !

Do I deserve to be saved ?
No, not at all !

Will I be raptured ?
I long for it, I pray for it every day with all my heart.

Am I tempted here below by "advantages," by temptations of all kinds? Unfortunately, yes, and I even give in to them far too often.
Do I feel guilty about it?
Of course, and through prayer I call upon God-Jesus, "Help!"... and He Frees me and Absolves me of guilt (He Delivers me from the clutches of the Devil).

Do I know who else will be raptured ?
No, but I pray every day that all His children will be, therefore all of you who study and share His Word.

I love you and rejoice to be with you all again at the Wedding Feast.
May God-Jesus bless you. Keep, protect, and bless you 🙏
(Translated from French to English).
Your Brother in Christ-God Fred vB
Momma11/01/2025 3:50 PM
One of the differences in my view of God that I have discovered since accepting Reformed theology and learning of His attributes, is that I now understand that He does things, for His Glory. It's ALL for Him. So to make the Rapture split over our behaviors seems very legalistic. The Lord will be ending this dispensation of grace by removing the Church from the world. For the first time since EVER there will be no voice for God on the Earth. Queue the Witnesses, who replace us and demand that the world pay attention to Israel. I cannot see a drop of the blood bought Church being left behind for an incomplete change of heart or ways. This isn't about us. It truly is NOT about our weak minds and sticky, sinful hands. Our sins are nailed to the cross. And the evidence of our understanding of that concept will be found in how we regard our neighbor and his sins.

The moment that we are glorified, we will be replaced with something already complete and incorruptible. Until then, we are equal under the cross, with no good or bad works changing how God views us in Christ.
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PostScripts11/01/2025 4:11 PM
RE: Rapture Salvation

Gary,
Thanks for adding those additional Sections. If I may address them.

SECTION 4:
Truly, the Glorification of the Body is promised and is to occur of all those in Christ Jesus. But note that the verse provided from Romans 8:2 has a condition a qualifier, ‘for those who are waiting’. Many Brethren do not. That is one’s point.

SECTION 5:
Again, here the verse provided from 1 John 1:9 is conditional. It is…’If we confess.’ Many Brethren do not. That is one’s point.

The mere fact that GOD does not ‘Grade on a Curve’ and that in contrast, His Righteousness is absolute, then demands one’s Accountability and Responsibility. We understand that the word ‘account’ is a financial term as with a ledger, etc. If such a notion was not taken or not to be taken into ‘account’ to not have it be a qualifier for the ‘Rapture Ride’, then why the need for the Bema Seat of Christ? Why has the Holy Spirit commanded us to ‘Be Holy as I am Holy?’ This expected Holiness does not come by ‘Automatic Spiritual Osmosis’.

SECTION 6
No, Partial Rapture does not transform from ‘Christ to Self’. It is not about ‘Performance’ but ‘Responsibility’. Many Brethren do not want that. That is one’s point.

Again, I believe we are mixing ‘Apples with Oranges’ as the ‘Works’ described is in the context of being justified by the works of the Law. This was the issue and debate of the Early Church. And the Apostle Paul put that to a resolution. We now have liberty in Christ, but with Freedom from the Law that kills, comes Responsibility to the Law of Christ that ensures true Freedom, etc.

SECTION 7
No, Scripture is not talking about ‘False Believers’ in this context. The examples one provided were superficially chosen to address those that are/were the types who abandoned, rejected, profaned, insulted, etc. These are those within the Body of Christ that no longer wanted/want to be ‘married’ to Jesus. Many Brethren do not. That is one’s point.

One’s point in contrasting Atonement with Propitiation is that indeed, thanks to Jesus, we are covered, paid for, for the Sin of Adam that condemned every Human to Hell to be separated forever from the Life of YHVH. But that the Propitiation is above and beyond. It is a call to Marriage, to a Relationship, a Commitment as in a Proposal.

When Abraham sent Eleazar to find the Bride for the Son of Promise, Isaac, Eleazar proposed to Rebekah. Her family asked her, ‘Will you go with this man?’ She was adorned with gold and silver given as a gift from Abraham. But that act alone did not secure the marriage. That is one’s point. One is delineating that the Full Package of being Justified, Sanctified and eventually glorified comes with the Call and Calling to be part of what the Father has procured within the Body of Christ, the Bride.

It is that the Holy Spirit is seeking, and proposing to those that are ‘saved’, redeemed, and will be glorified, ‘Will you be Jesus’ Bride?’ Yes, the Marriage Vow within the Salvation Invitation is presumed. That is what one’s point is. Many brethren are just content with being ‘Saved’ by Jesus but not call Him or want to be or call Him LORD. To be clear, the Salvation Call encompasses this ‘betrothal’ and proposal.
Fred11/01/2025 5:27 PM
Dear Lu Vega,

I am deeply saddened by what has happened to you, and I pray that Our Lord Jesus-God will bring you His Peace, His Comfort, and His Support.

He tells us, through Paul:
1 Thessalonians 5:16 “Rejoice always, pray continually, give thanks in all circumstances.”
How difficult this is sometimes !

But let us remember His Promise: "Revelation 21:4
“He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.”

This is where our faith is tested: how can we believe that we will be comforted in all our earthly trials?
When we have loved some so much, and then lost them through betrayal or death?

Luke 14:26-27
“If anyone comes to me and does not Love Me more than his father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters—yes, even his own life—such a person cannot be my disciple. And whoever does not carry their cross and follow me cannot be my disciple.”

I pray every day that God-Jesus will allow me to better appreciate His Love, so that I may love Him above all and everyone.
I also pray for you to Love Him more than anybody else, even yourself.
🙏
(Translated from French to English).
Your Brother in Christ-God
Fred vB
Pastor Rich11/01/2025 6:23 PM
TEN VIRGINS

Thinking about the parable of the virgins...let's suppose, as some believe, that they belong to the end of the story. After the rapture and fixed in the 70th week. Call it the tribulation if you will. What do we know about them?

1. They are both waiting for the Bridegroom who is Messiah, Jesus
2. The wise virgins are ushered into the marriage feast and the door was shut
3. The foolish virgins returned with their oil only to be turned away

Gaming this out for a mid-trib event, how does this work? The wise virgins go into the wilderness as literal exiles. The foolish virgins then what? Wait until the door is opened again? (Which isn't even in the Bible). It makes no sense. A separation of the two is clearly indicated and by the Bridegroom Himself.

The parables imitate life. They are not AI constructs that fudge reality to make their own. They illustrate real concepts for humans to grasp and apply in daily living that are founded in truth and filled with wisdom. Thus they need to be able to fit within the larger picture, the Biblical narrative.

This is how I view it all; one giant puzzle that fits in fascinating ways.

The same is true for a sixth seal rapture. John provides us clues that indicate timing. Combined with other evidence, such as the timing of the tribulation, it all comes to fit in ways that traditional pre-trib thinking doesn't provide. Scripture is like puzzle pieces scattered in the box called the Bible. I'm so thankful that God condescended to care about a sinner like me that I could come to know Him so!

CY and Cry11/01/2025 6:48 PM
Entitlement is in the news even today and it’s ugly. And that attitude can show up in either extreme of the ‘works averse’ and the ‘fastidiously diligent.’ Salvation is obviously the first hurdle into the future, but what comes thereafter also needs consideration. The bema seat-- where works are acknowledged. The bride’s beauty and adornment is made of good deeds. The ‘marriage’ is about coming to full agreement and purpose—being truly of one mind.

It has been said that The Way is narrow, and few find it, which would imply effort and persistence. (Not at all lacking in this group of watchers.)

I wonder if the difference might come between those who believe IN Him, rather than believing Him. The standards set by the Creator of the Universe would have made Israel a shining example in all the world. It would be sad to think the expression of His Heart didn’t apply to us.
Anonymous11/01/2025 9:26 PM
Hi folks,
I have followed this site since one year before the R12 sign and believe it was a signpost to our soon homegoing. Praise Jesus He’s coming very soon!

So I have an argument against the belief that some truly born-again Christians can be left behind that I have NEVER seen addressed in partial rapture discussions before, anywhere!

To be genuinely born again, as Jesus was telling Nicodemus, you must be born of the Holy Spirit. Period. Our heartfelt belief in Jesus being Son of God able and willing to save us “who comes to Me I will in no wise cast out” places one instantly in the Body of Christ by the miraculous in-dwelling of His precious Holy Spirit! An amazing thing that changes a person’s spiritual DNA irrevocably as He promised: “I will NEVER leave you or forsake you”. I personally believe if that person really thinks he can walk away from so great a salvation than HE WASN’T truly saved in the first place (because Jesus promised He would never walk away from us).

In other words, we are now “slaves” to Christ, joyously, permanently adopted into God’s family. Anything other than this is a “stillborn” salvation and was not real in the first place. The Holy Spirit can be quenched in a believer’s actions in life but one cannot “get rid” of Him, ever! He is still calling us to a sanctified life until the Day of Christ, when we will be Complete in Him!

So, if a person is truly in Christ with the Holy Spirit residing in them, never to depart (this is the age of Grace, not as in the Old Testament) how can one then be left on the earth, missing the Rapture, to now face the Mark of the Beast and possibly take that mark, LOSE THEIR SALVATION and end up in the Lake of Fire for all eternity?!?

I’m sorry, that does not make sense to me, unless you are not of the belief that OSAS. I do believe OSAS precisely because Jesus said that of “all the Father has given Me I lose not one”. You cannot “jump” out of Jesus’ hand, as some believe. You either have the Holy Spirit or you do not. Thusly, by God’s power and grace alone, you are saved eternally or you are not, and the Seal of the Holy Spirit is your permanent down payment!

Another argument against a partial rapture is what about the dead in Christ all being resurrected? Is there some heavenly ledger being kept to decide whether they are worthy to be resurrected or not? I wouldn’t think so! If this were not true and ALL dead in Christ will be resurrected then it maybe would be better to be dead and buried than to take a chance not being raptured alive?! If this sounds as absurd to you as it does to me then you get my point!

Love in Christ to all the watching brethren! He’s coming to get ALL who have the wonderful, precious Spirit of Christ, the Holy Spirit! He’s your proof, He’s your Seal, He’s your promise and down payment! You are redeemed and you are going up!

If you don’t have Him inside you are most assuredly NOT going in the Rapture, so check yourselves to make sure you are in the faith!
Nan11/01/2025 11:25 PM
Amen!
PostScripts11/02/2025 12:02 AM
RE: Rapture Reward?

Dear Anonymous,
PART 1/3

Here is what I would say in reply. For all that has been stated, with Scripture arguing their interpretation, I genuinely sense that one has attempted to argue post-Salvation keeps getting bounced back that the rapture is a Salvation issue. And thus, it is covered ‘unconditionally’, regardless of how we live our lives or without dare asking or challenging the ‘official narrative’. And that the verses of those specific Brethren that were clearly ‘Saved’ but lost, one argues, not their Salvation but their ‘position’ are being ignored. We have to reconcile those verses and not dismiss them.

If the logic is that it does not matter what we do or say or think, and we can then indulge in sin because what is the difference in the end? I am going to get raptured no matter what? I might as well be a Calvinist. In that case why strive to be holy? Why separate from the world? Committing both physical and spiritual Adultery is then really inconsequential, as it does not matter, it is all preordained, etc.

If the Rapture is unconditional, then Jesus has to change His Parables in that it will not matter in that the Wheat and the Tares will be gathered in the barn and not be burned. Those taken either in the field, at the mill or in bed will not need to worry as all will be taken and none left behind. In that case, why build the Ark

Pastor Rich gave that example of Lot. All of lot’s family was called to be saved, appointed. They were ensured Salvation and did not need to suffer from the Wrath that come. Yet, Lot’s Wife chose to return and not proceed and walk away from the world and into that Salvation that was allotted her. She was ‘Saved’ but lost her life, lost her position. She did not lose her Salvation, she lost her relationship with both her husband and GOD. She suffered the same Wrath appointed to those not promised to escape it.

1) Lot’s Wife, ‘saved’ did not enter her allotted Salvation/Deliverance.

2) The 10 Virgins, where 5 are left behind did not maintain their lambs, negligence.

3) the Wedding Banquet guest refused to put-on the Garment and suffered expulsion.

Regardless if one believes the 10 Virgins either represents the Bridesmaids or the Bride, some got ‘Left Behind’. But one’s point is, demonstrated from Scripture, that there is loss to consider as a consequence. Here is one’s rationale and line of thought about it. Obviously, I can be totally off and incorrect in my understanding. But I have studied this topic for over 4 decades and have not used other books or charts.

What makes the Church Age unique and amazing is that there exists on Earth, presently something that has not ever existed before in all of Creation. It is the Body of Christ. It is a living organism in how it is likened in the New Testament to a Spiritual Building that is being built-up. Think of it as a Noah’s Ark typology. So, yes, every Human that comes to Faith in Jesus, genuinely is placed in that Boat.

There is protecting there, a covering and despite GOD allowing persecution, suffering and martyrdom, that Boat or Ark is impossible to destroy. It is because it is like the Israelite Camp having the Tabernacle, another type of the Ark, literally as in the Ark of the Covenant. The Bible teaches that the curses of Balaam could not occur, because there was a ‘Shout of the King’ among the Congregation. Lucifer cannot cures what YHVH has blessed.

Jesus thus promised that His Church, His Body would likewise never be prevailed over by any attempt from without. Now from within? Yes, as in sabotage in how Balek caused Sin in the camp to occur through sex, etc. Incidentally, this is a Sin that plagued many of the 7 Churches of Asia for which Jesus called them out and warned them about. Yet in the last Church iteration, Laodicea voted Jesus out of the Congregation. They were all ‘Saved’ but got vomited-out of their Salvation? No, their Relationship, their Position with Christ Jesus.
Nan11/02/2025 12:50 AM
Lu...I also am sorry for your heartaches. I cannot imagine. But, I still believe to turn away from God means you were never really His to begin with. Only God Himself knows ones heart where we as humans think we may know we cannot really.
Hmewrdbd11/02/2025 9:09 AM
Wow, I bet Gary didn't expect this story to head toward "the fold" so soon. 😀 Good discussion, everybody. I truly appreciate all your thoughts and positions. I have to land with Jeremy and Nan. I get the arguments for right living and right relationship--I strive for it every day, all day, not because I fear not going in the Rapture, but because I LOVE God and there is no other way I can show (work) Him that than through "obedience"--to Scripture, calling, praise, focus, etc. That being said, I beg to differ with the argument the Rapture is not a salvation issue. Lu, PR, I get what you are saying, but perhaps we need to define the Church: My understanding has always been that the Church is a group of people unique in all human history (and Lu, I agree, we don't begin to appreciate and recognize the incredible honor and privilege of being born during the era in which the Church lives!!!) that will be gone once the Rapture occurs. The opportunity to choose heaven over hell will still be available post Rapture, but the unique organism will be passed. If truly saved individuals can be left behind, does that mean Jesus only has a partial Bride at the wedding feast? And yes, as Jeremy mentions, are the dead in Christ to be separated out based on warmness levels as well? If we are the Body/Bride of Christ, how can He be divided? The wedding feast is during the 70th week is it not? Do some of the Bride just get left out, but still be a part of the Bride, i.e. saved. We refer to Lot's wife, but was she saved or just seeking protection. Rahab appealed for her family to be included in protection, and they were, but did each one then believe in Israel's God? People could be "saved" by being in the right house at the time of the Passover, but the Angel of Death did not enter each house to take the spiritual temperature of everyone inside.

I get that it goes against all sense of justice that the prodigals/wayward/rebellious/lukewarm would ultimately be saved despite their behavior. To be 'saved", but excluded from the wedding, assuring a type of "fire insurance" salvation only, makes no sense to me but the older I get, and I am plenty old now, the more I realize I know nothing. I think we need to remember that God is God and we are not. I so appreciate the righteous hearts of Lu and PR expressed through their views here, I'm just thinking we need to let God be God and follow hard after Him in our own rights. Blessings and love! judi
unknown11/02/2025 9:42 AM
I believe the common denominator in this respectful disagreement is over-complexity. You're all a LOT closer than you think.

Jesus made a simple point, and the Bible teaches a simple metaphor. Oil represents the Holy Spirit. And Lamps represent light, guidance, knowledge, and illumination. All of these made possible by the Holy Spirit which lights the lamp.

The Word does not teach that Lot's wife was saved, and then chose to abandon her relationship, or turn back to the world. I believe it's showing us that she was ALWAYS living in her world. The example merely shows that when a critical plot point forced her to choose, she made her spirit nature more obvious to us. And herself. And, almost certainly, she had been really enjoying a bit of that deception in her own heart. Always painting herself as the one with the "Godly" family in town.

The five foolish virgins were not saved, and they weren't waiting for the groom at all. They were enjoying a playful ruse. Live in the world, say the right things, reap rewards, and live your best life in the current social structure. Play your part in the superficial play . . . because the play is the thing, is it not? It IS their whole world.

But when the plot turns, we see who was willing to sell the oil. Pour out the oil. And burn up the oil. All for fleeting and earthly gain.

There is no partial Rapture of believers. But there's a great multitude who believe they are believers. Until the plot forces them to choose. For we who value the oil in advance, it is not necessary to be given a stark choice between the Mark of the Beast or death. We choose earthly loss every day, measured in their terms.

Others need a plot device. Some need a parable.

There are only those who value that oil, and those who don't. Those willing to sacrifice and sit in the darkness a little while longer in order to one day be found faithful and ready, and those who won't.

Yes, it is as simple as being on the boat or off. But there are many standing just inside the door, watching every movement of the gangplank. And wondering to themselves, furiously . . . look at all that world out there . . . do I really want to be locked up in here with all these people talking about imminent destruction, when I could be out there?! A flood? Really?

Really?!?!

One man is taken and the other left.

One is found full of oil, and light, and guidance, and knowledge. And the eternal hope for what will be.

The other is living for what currently is, but will soon no longer be.

In other words, true Believers are saved, and true Deceivers are not. And the most accomplished Deceivers deceive themselves.

Take heed that you do NOT deceive yourselves.

At least, that's my take on it. But if anybody on this planet is capable of over-complicating a good argument, it's me. Truth! So I'll finish by saying that I'm willing to listen to what others think on this issue. I'd rather be found listening than talking, when it comes to something so pivotal.

Regardless, it is encouraging to see love and appreciation for one another, even when everyone is seeing a different part of the same elephant.

You are all EXACTLY the kind of people that I want to spend eternity with!

Jeremy
Nan11/02/2025 1:30 PM
Great writing Judi and Jeremy!!! Love to all on here. Hope we meet soon with our Heavenly Father!! ❤️
unknown11/02/2025 2:46 PM
Let me revise one thing.

I said, "There is no partial Rapture of believers. But there's a great multitude who believe they are believers."

I should have said that, "I BELIEVE that there is no partial Rapture." No pun intended.

I acknowledge that I could be mistaken, but that is my interpretation of the Biblical examples facing me.

That they are rightly dividing between saved and unsaved. And cautioning us to look inward.

Jeremy
Lyn Melvin11/02/2025 2:49 PM
Gary and all here at Unsealed,
As seems to be usual for me, I was working on an article that incorporated part of what Gary wrote here about the barley harvest. If I am understanding it correctly, the Expositor's Greek Testament explains that Christ’s resurrection was only the first of a two-part process; therefore, He was the first of the firstfruits of the BARLEY HARVEST and those who are “in Christ” are the second part.

That and many other reasons is why I am once again looking at a possible Springtime Rapture.

I admit I do NOT know for sure even which year we go Home; but with the signing of the Gaza Peace Plan/Two-State Solution, this Hebrew Year of 5786 is looking all that more promising:

WHEN LIFE GIVES YOU ETROGS—Look for a 2026 Spring Rapture? (Part 2 of 2)
Hmewrdbd11/02/2025 3:19 PM
I didn't ask his permission, but I'm sure it is ok. Just want to share a comment Jimboni made over at rev12daily.blogspot.com:

1 Samuel 20:18

Consider the Mind OF A King. Many things vie for His Attention and it is by His Decree, Alone, That It Is Given. To command The King's Attention Without His Given Permission is likely a fatal mistake, ala Esther.

David is a Type of Our Christ, as we know, and also a type of us, esp moreso once Glorified. Jonathan is a type of Our Helper, His Holy Spirit, ofc, as well as the many manifestations of that which we find along our way. The relationship between them is so powerful that Scripture once calls a private meeting between them, conspiring in a field, a MOED.

Here Our Lord In HIs Word Sets Aside Space, In One Verse, To Remind Us How Central We Are In HIs Thoughts. In the context of the "Sun, Moon and Stars", Which The Father Set In Motion, Jonathan reminds David that if their plan takes David from The King's Midst, during the feast, he will be missed.

In like manner, There Is A Banquet Coming, Being Held By The King. Among The Honored Guests Will Be The Beloved New Bride Of His Son And Various Friends OF The Royal Family. Having Accepted Our Lord's Gift Of His Blood For Consummation Of Our Holy Matrimony, And Nothing Else, Each Of Our Names Are On The Guest List, Now. So, picture this.

At A Grand Spectacle of a Great Feast, Unequaled In All Human History And Unlikely To Fit In The Grand Canyon, yet everyone can hear anyone, as they wish, and it is a truly Grand affair, The King Is About To Start The Ceremonies. As He Does So, Looking About There Seems To Be Something Nagging At His Attention. Thus, As He Begins, The King Lifts A Silver Spoon At His Place Setting And Gently Taps The Fine Crystal Goblet, Also Etched In Silver, Before Him. Though Soft, And Still, And Gentle, The Melodiously Elegant 'Ting, Ting, Ting' Echoes Fill The Entire Place And Tens Of Millions Of Guests And Angels Fall Silent. The King Speaks.

"I Believe * Insert Your Name Here * Was To Be Among The Guests, Today. Is There A Problem?"

Sheepishly, From Over At The Dessert Section Of The Fun Table * Insert Your Name Here * a few miles down the way, Replies, "Oh, No! Your Highness, Sir, Right Here! All Along, Loving It All, You ARE Amazing!" Sitting Back More Comfortably The King Smiles, Motions To His Crew,

"Very Well. Director OF The Choir, Please Continue..."

Maranatha!
inchristalone-byhismercy.blogspot.com11/02/2025 6:27 PM
I have read this article and most of the comments with much interest. I have watched a certain Youtuber who suggests that not all the believers will go in the (what they say is first) rapture. The thought of this possibly being true is terrifying to me. So I found this post of great encouragement. I am in agreement with Gary and Nan and Anonymous.
I just wanted to add my own two cents to the thoughts. In church, we have been studying John 17 where Jesus made His high priestly prayer for the church. He wants for the same love that is between Him and the Father also to be for us. What greater thing could we ever ask? That He would live His life in and through us as we let His word do its effectual work in us.
We are looking into the crowns discussed throughout the NT. From what I have learned, the Father has an escrow account that He lays up for each one of us when we believe in His Son. ("Every spiritual blessing in the heavenlies in Eph. 1) God, knowing our hearts like no other, has tailor made all these rewards individually for us. But we only receive them if we say yes to having Him will and work inside us in this life. In this life, we make our decisions. We make no decisions on the other side. If we love Him on this side, we will have greater proximity to Him in the next life. If we say no to Him, He cannot deny us but we will not be enabled to receive those tailor made blessings He has for us. The more we take in His word, graciously taught, the greater will be our capacity for the heavenly blessings. Just learning that all these crowns are available to us, and that He truly desires for us to have them all is great motivation. We are in the age of GRACE, the crowns will be distributed by His grace and not our striving in our flesh. One thinks that just knowing that the Creator of the universe has tailor made blessings available to us purely due to HIs graciousness provides us all the incentive we need to continue on in this agona race we are running.
All this to conclude that I believe every member will go in the Rapture, but the choices we make now determine if we can step forward with confidence or shrink back from Him in shame. For now, it might not seem all that important, but in that day, we will so very much desire that while on this earth, we simply did the "one thing" that was necessary, sitting at Jesus feet and learning His Word.
I thank God for this wonderful website to receive encouragement and look forward to seeing you in the sky soon and very soon!
Megan
unknown11/02/2025 9:02 PM
PR,

Thank you for the invitation to cake! Gladly accepted!

And I probably should cite Scripture more often, but I fear that my posts would become more heavy and convoluted than they already are. Fortunately, when I do reference something, I can usually count on this audience to understand the source material. Thank goodness!

Speaking of which, I was looking at Psalm 18 the other day, after a sermon, and something about it really resonated with me because I had just been thinking of one of your recent posts on Seal 6 in Revelation.

I wanted to point it out to you, but I haven't really thought it all through, yet. Maybe it will interest you.

Notice that the first three verses match the preTrib Church. The next three match the Trib Saints. And then it leads into something like the Seal 6 earthquake.

I liked the symmetry at least.

Jeremy

(Psalm 18 is below)
PostScripts11/02/2025 11:37 PM
RE: Partial Rapture?
PART 1/3

I think it is my turn. To reiterate, I do not subscribe to ‘Partial’ Rapture nor whether it is a ‘process’ or to occur in multiple segments of it. The Rapture being a ‘Process’ is now the current supposition regarding those multiple calendar failures of the now False Prophet Joshua. There is a ‘process’ to be had in the sense that it is the ‘Walk with LORD’, and one prepares like a Bride or those 10 Virgins in the Parable. But once the Rapture event occurs, Scripture teaches that it will be in an ‘Atomos’ of a moment. That is what the word, ‘In a moment’ means, an ‘Atom’. It will be that fast., in a twinkling of an eye, etc.

Perhaps I am hung-up on the semantics of what ‘partial’ means when applied to who is to go on when the ‘Rapture Call’ comes. As said before, everyone will be going on the Rapture that will be going on the Rapture. I realize this is Circular Logic but here is my issue with what has been said to the contrary, that it will be a ‘come-one-come-all’ going on the Rapture.

I have admitted that ‘I do not know’ for sure. I and we do not have ‘Absolute Knowledge’ to know for sure. Based on one’s understanding of what I too have read from the same verses, it is where one is at, presently on the ‘Learning Curve’ regarding this topic. But one’s point is that I am not adamant nor presumptuous about it because of it.
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1) That is, if you all know for sure and declare that ‘All Believers will be going on the Rapture’, then one is presuming that from a place of Absolute Knowledge. It is because then you surely know, without a doubt. If I am incorrect, then could you all also be?

2) From what has been discussed and shared so far, we have come to a general consensus that, at least, those that portend to be Believers or are just not really regenerated or actually ‘Saved’, then one could agree that they will undoubtedly not go on that ‘Rapture Ride’. But my vantage point is being presented from, scripturally regarding those Brethren that are ‘Saved’. That is what I am ‘holding the line’ about

3) So, yes, one is making the delineation that, as presented, that the collective Body of Christ is not eclipsing in its totality those that will be extracted from to be the Bride of Christ. I just see it as a Calling beyond Atonement, merited unconditionally because that is provided by Grace and Mercy. But the Call to be the Bride of Christ is a ‘beyond’ Salvation, in one’s estimation. I could be wrong.

4) But to respond to the Call, to the Proposal to be Jesus’ Bride, is what many Brethren either do not want, care for or as I have shared personal as with my Wife, flat out rejected to the point of being and taking on an ‘anti-Christ’ stance and mindset about it.

5) Consider visualizing a Venn Diagram of 2 Circles that are overlapping. A = circle 1, B = circle 2. The overlap is area C. Circle 1 are all those in the Body of Christ, presuming 100% saved. Circle 2 is the Bride of Christ. Using Deductive Logic, some of the Circe 2 are within Circle 1. But not all of Circle 1 is in Circle 2 and vice versa. Or in other words, not all that is and will become the Bride of Christ, is entirely made-up of those that are wholly of the Body of Christ. One has presented this delineation that Jesus Himself will make. See the 7 Letters to the Churches as presented, etc. Judi, here are my replies to what you had stated. Blessings.
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Gary11/03/2025 8:49 AM
Lu, I'm also heartbroken for what you've been through, brother. Praying for you.

Lu, PR, and others: I do think we are saying something very similar, albeit approaching it from a slightly different direction. One thing that seems very clear to me: REAL faith ("real" being the key word) is a very stubborn thing. Given that faith is defined as believing without seeing (Heb. 11), real faith doesn't give up when the going gets tough, because it isn't predicated on getting what you want or seeing the result(s) of said faith. So when I see people "deconstructing" their faith, I find it pretty hard to believe that faith was real.

At the same time, there will be some saved as through fire (1 Cor. 3) who have a genuine faith deep down, yet whose lives are overgrown with weeds. As for me, I pray that this may never be me. Eyes on Jesus alone.
JackN 🦊 Foxman On The Wall11/03/2025 5:29 PM
In my experience, the "Partial Rapture" has always been a tool to instill fear and manipulation.

I guess it comes down a bit to how you define a Christian, is it one who has a personal relationship with Christ and has the Holy Spirit within them, or is it just because they have professed Christ?

The latter needs not only to profess, but believe in their heart, and if they don't have the second part, they are not going. In that scenario then I guess you could say that a partial rapture of Christians will occur.
Hmewrdbd11/03/2025 7:31 PM
Lu, my brain hurts! 😉. I have a question for you and PR, meant sincerely, not argumentatively. IF I AM UNDERSTANDING CORRECTLY, it APPEARS as if in your view the Church and the Bride are not one and the same, in toto? I have always thought they were, even though individuals would necessarily be at different levels of devotion and obedience. By that I mean, are you saying the Bride is within, a part of the Church, but the whole Church is not the Bride (thus a person can be "saved"--yet have to go through the Tribulation b/c he/she was in some stage of prodigal living at the time of the Rapture, therefore not included in the Bride)? Those who are of the Church, but too far backslidden, for lack of a better term, to go in the Rapture, become what afterwards, still being saved and all? (I'm not talking about those who where Christians in name only, or merely deceiving themselves--although it certainly can be argued that if one claims Christ but lives contrarily, is that one genuine at all . . .)

Like others here, I'm sure, I have 2 sons who are at great risk. One supposedly "asked Jesus in his heart" at some point in his life but now completely rejects it (no surprise, he is "married" to a man). I don't have much hope for him short of God's ability to miraculously intervene and save him. But then, isn't that what God has done for each of us! And the other, who I do believe is a genuine believer, is singing with a Motley Crue (satanic, for those who may not know of them) tribute band. I'm sure Satan is loving that one! How we deceive ourselves, "It's just acting, like in a play . . . ." Good grief!

All I can do is pray (I have and do pray for Natalie too).
PostScripts11/04/2025 2:36 AM
RE: A 6th Seal Rapture Timing?

Pastor Rich,
I was meaning to engage in the points you made about the Church being the embodiment or fulfillment of Seal 1 from Revelation. I have never heard that before. May I challenge you in that? Here is an Article I have had to reconstruct from my old website that was taken down. I lost over 1000 Articles as they touched upon controversial topics or the challenging of the Teachings of the Traditional Church. Or like this present topic of a Partial or Whole Rapture scenario, thanks to Gary! :)

See what you think. There is no need to reply or engage as it is just one’s response and point of view in that regard, respectfully. What I am also attempting to do is to provide a listening option to my Articles, now that we have A.I., to do it with. I think I may be the 1ist Podcaster to fully have the episode all done by A.I. So far, it is doing a ‘good’ job at synthesizing my Articles. So, for your ‘listening enjoyment’ or consternation?! :)

Blessings,
Lu Vega

Article

A97: A 6TH SEAL RAPTURE TIMING?
MID-TRIBULATION, PRE-WRATH MODEL
Why the Tribulation Period has not started Checklist
https://postscripts.org/articles/f/a97-a-6th-seal-rapture-timing

LISTEN TO FILE: A.I. AUDIO SYNOPSIS
https://www.spreaker.com/episode/a97-a-6th-seal-rapture-timing--68409880
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