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Could We Have The Wrong Day?



Everyone is talking about September 23rd and for good reason, but could the fulfillment of the Revelation 12 Sign actually occur the next day on the 24th?  I offer this only to examine the possibility that we could be off by a day.  Here is the September 23rd alignment that we are all well acquainted with by now:


The Greek is clear that the Moon must be under the feet of the woman and sure enough that's what we see if we consider the woman to be lying horizontally, but could there be a more perfect alignment?  Check out how the alignment will appear on the morning of Sunday, September 24th.  This is from the perspective of someone in Jerusalem facing directly due east:


To be clear, I believe the alignment on September 23rd satisfies the requirements in the text, but it looks like September 24th is even more precise:

1. The Moon is directly under the woman's feet in the constellation Libra (Scales/Justice).

2. The alignment is aligned vertically and almost exactly due east.

3. Regulus, Mercury, Mars, and Venus become equally spaced and the "crown" sits more firmly on Virgo's head.

4. The Sun rests directly on Virgo's shoulder.

5. The crescent of the Moon is slightly more visible and is facing the woman's feet whereas on the 23rd the crescent is facing away from her feet.

The image above is how the alignment will appear at 10:30 AM in Israeli time, which would be 3:30 AM on the east coast of the United States (Luke 12:38 hints that Jesus might appear in the second or third watch of the night).  The fact that this occurs Sunday morning is also interesting considering that Jesus was raised to life early on a Sunday and Christians flock to church on Sunday.  Jupiter, which symbolizes the male child of Revelation 12:5, will actually appear to rise from the earth on the 24th (resurrection and rapture, anyone?).  It's also notable that 24 is the number of elders who symbolize the glorified Church in Heaven in Revelation 4.

This in no way debunks September 23rd, but it's an interesting and overlooked possibility.  At this point I think there is enough ambiguity between the 23rd and 24th that we can't really know the exact day or hour of this sign's exact alignment.  September 20th through 24th will be the highest watch that I've ever experienced.

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  1. This makes good sense Gary! I believe this to be a better line up - matching it to Amos 8. It says they are chomping at the bit to go back to work after the feast days and Sabbath, and are met by noonday darkness. - Ellen

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    1. And possibly connecting to 1 Thess. 5:3. Perhaps after 9/23 comes and goes everyone will let out a collective sight and relief and say "peace and safety"... then sudden destruction.

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    2. Matthew 24:
      29 “Immediately after the distress of those days

      “‘the sun will be darkened,
      and the moon will not give its light;
      the stars will fall from the sky,
      and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’

      30 “Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth[c] will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.[d] 31 And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other this it the RAPTURE.

      Deuteronomy 30 - Rapture in the Old Testament

      Restoration after the Exile

      30 “When all these things happen to you—both the blessings and the curses that I’ve presented to you—and you take them seriously in all the nations where the Lord your God will deport you, 2 and when you—you and your descendants, that is—will have returned to him and obeyed all the commands that I’m giving you today with all your heart and soul, 3 then the Lord your God will restore your fortunes and will show compassion to you. He will gather you from among the nations where he had scattered you. 4 Even if the Lord had banished you to the ends of the heavens, the Lord your God will gather you from there 5 and he’ll bring you to the land that your ancestors inherited. You’ll possess it, you’ll prosper, and you’ll greatly multiply more than your ancestors did. 6 Then the Lord your God will circumcise both your hearts and those of your descendants so that you can love him with your heart and with your soul and therefore live. 7 Then the Lord your God will inflict all these curses on your enemies and on those who hate and persecute you.”

      Prosperity in Obedience

      8 “So now, return and obey the Lord your God and observe all his commands that I’m giving you today, 9 and the Lord your God will prosper you abundantly in all that you do, along with your children,[h] your livestock, and the produce of your fields, because the Lord your God will again be delighted with you for good, just as he was delighted with your ancestors, 10 if you obey him[i] and keep his commands and statutes that are written in this Book of the Law, and if you return to him[j] with all your heart and soul. 11 Indeed, these commands that I’m giving you today are neither confusing nor unattainable for you. 12 They aren’t in the heavens, so you have to ask, ‘Who’ll go up to the heavens for us and get it for us so we can hear it and act on it?’ 13 And they aren’t beyond the seas either, so you have to ask, ‘Who’ll cross the sea and get it for us so we can hear it and act on it?’ 14 No, the word is very near you—it’s within your mouth and heart for you to attain.”

      Destruction in Disobedience

      15 “Look! Today I have set before you life and what is good, along with death and what is evil. 16 That’s why I’m commanding you today to love the Lord your God by walking in his ways and by observing his commands, statutes, and ordinances, so that you may live long, increase, and so that the Lord your God may bless you in the land that you are about to enter to possess. 17 But if you turn your heart away, and do not obey, but instead if you stray away to worship and serve other gods, 18 I’m declaring to you today that you will surely be destroyed. You won’t live long[k] in the land that you are crossing the Jordan River to enter and possess. 19 I call heaven and earth to testify against you today! I’ve set life and death before you today: both blessings and curses. Choose life, that it may be well with you—you and your children. 20 Love the Lord your God, obey his voice, and cling to him, because he is your life—even your long life—so that you may live in the land that the Lord promised to give Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.”

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    3. Jeremiah 31:
      The New Covenant is ONLY with 12 Tribes of Israel

      31 “Look, days are coming,” declares the Lord, “when I’ll make a new covenant with the house of ISRAEL and the house of JUDAH. 32 It won’t be like the covenant I made with their ancestors on the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt. They broke my covenant, although I was a husband to them,” declares the Lord. 33 “Rather, this is the covenant that I’ll make with the house of ISRAEL (12 TRIBES) after those days,” declares the Lord. “I’ll put my Law[a] within them and will write it on their hearts. I’ll be their God and they will be my people. 34 No longer will a person teach his neighbor or his relative: ‘Know the Lord.’ Instead, they’ll all know me, from the least to the greatest of them,” declares the Lord. “Indeed, I’ll forgive their iniquity, and I’ll remember their sin no more.”
      35
      This is what the Lord says,
      who gives the sun for light by day,
      the laws that govern the moon and stars for light by night,
      and who stirs up the sea so that its waves roar.
      The Lord of the Heavenly Armies is his name:
      36
      “If these laws cease to function in my presence,”
      declares the Lord,
      “then the descendants of Israel will cease to be
      a nation in my presence for all time!”
      37
      This is what the Lord says:
      “If the heavens could be measured above,
      or the foundations of the earth be searched out below,
      then I also would reject all the descendants of Israel
      because of everything they have done,”
      declares the Lord.
      38 “Look, days are coming,” declares the Lord, “when the city of the Lord will be rebuilt[b] from the Tower of Hananel to the Corner Gate. 39 A measuring line will go straight out from there to the hill of Gareb, and then it will turn to Goah. 40 The whole valley of dead bodies and ashes and all the fields as far as the Brook Kidron to the corner of the Horse Gate toward the east will be holy to the Lord. It won’t be uprooted or overthrown again, forever.”

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    4. Daniel 7:
      The Vision of the Ancient of Days

      9 “I kept on watching until the Ancient of Days was seated. His clothes were white, like snow, and the hair on his head was like pure wool. His throne burned with flaming fire, and its wheels burned with fire. 10 A river of fire flowed out from before him. Thousands upon thousands were serving him, with millions upon millions waiting before him. The court sat in judgment, and record books were unsealed.

      11 “I continued watching because of the audacious words that the horn was speaking. I kept observing until the animal was killed and its body destroyed and given over to burning fire. 12 Now as to the other animals, their authority was removed, but they were granted a reprieve from execution for an appointed period of time.”

      The Vision of the Son of Man

      13 “I continued to observe the night vision—and look!—someone like the Son of Man was coming, accompanied by heavenly clouds. He approached the Ancient of Days and was presented before him. 14 To him dominion was bestowed, along with glory and a kingdom, so that all people, nations, and languages are to serve him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion—it will never pass away—and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.”

      The Vision Interpreted

      15 “Now as for me, Daniel, I was emotionally troubled, and what I had seen in the visions kept alarming me. 16 So I approached one of those who was standing nearby and began to ask the meaning of all of this. He spoke to me and caused me to understand the interpretation of these things. 17 He said, ‘These four great animals are four kings who will rise to power from the earth. 18 But the saints of the Highest will receive the kingdom forever, inheriting it forever and ever.’

      19 “I wanted to learn the precise significance of the fourth animal that was different from all the others, extremely awe-inspiring, with iron teeth and bronze claws, and that had devoured and crushed things, trampling under its feet whatever remained. 20 Also, I wanted to learn the significance of the ten horns on its head and the other horn that had arisen, before which three of them had fallen—that is, the horn with eyes and a mouth that uttered magnificent things and which was greater in appearance than its fellows.

      21 “As I continued to watch, that same horn waged war against the saints, and was prevailing against them 22 until the Ancient of Days arrived to pass judgment in favor of the saints of the Highest One and the time came for the saints to take possession of the kingdom. 23 So he said:


      ‘The fourth animal will be a fourth kingdom on the earth, different from all the kingdoms. It will devour the entire earth, trampling it down and crushing it. 24 Now as to the ten horns, ten kings will rise to power from this kingdom, and another king will rise to power after them. He will be different from the previous kings, and will defeat three kings. 25 He’ll speak out against the Most High and wear down the saints of the Highest One. He’ll attempt to alter times and laws, and they’ll be given into his control for a time, times, and half a time. 26 Nevertheless, the court will convene, and his authority will be removed, annulled, and destroyed forever. 27 Then the kingdom, authority, and magnificence of all nations of the earth will be given to the people who are the saints of the Highest One. His kingdom will endure forever, and all authorities will serve him and obey him.’

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    5. Readiness at Any Hour
      35Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will never pass away. 36No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. 37As it was in the days of Noah, so will it be at the coming of the Son of Man.…

      Mark 13:32
      But as for that day or hour, no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

      Acts 1:7
      Jesus replied, "It is not for you to know times or seasons that the Father has fixed by His own authority.

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    6. Yes, we should be ready at any hour. We should also apply all of Scripture:

      1 Thess 5:4
      "But you are not in darkness, brothers, for that day to surprise you like a thief."

      Revelation 3:3
      "Remember, then, what you received and heard. Keep it, and repent. If you will not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what hour I will come against you."

      Matt 24:48-50
      "But if that wicked servant says to himself, ‘My master is delayed,’ and begins to beat his fellow servants and eats and drinks with drunkards, the master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he does not know"

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    7. Amen Gary! Only those who are not watching will be surprised by His coming. I can't believe people only use partial scripture to deny what Jesus actually said.

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  2. Interesting, but this would move it out of the FoT moed. That being said, it is still in the 'days of awe" leading up to Atonement.

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    1. I kind of agree, but I disagree. The Jews do not have the temple in order to have the 2 witnesses in order to call in the FOT, so that means we basically know the week that it falls on, but not the day. There is an entire workflow that they have to go through in order to call the FOT and blow the trumpets.

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    2. Colin,
      I did some homework on the days of awe. I couldn't find it in the Bible and discovered its a tradition, but not biblical. That was a real shocker for me for I have heard of it for years. Just sharing my learns...

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    3. You are right, but there is nothing wrong with tradition in and of itself. It is wrong when it is taught and taken to be equal to or exceeding the written word. The days of awe are a solemn time to prepare our hearts with repentance for the day of atonement. Also, two witnesses blowing the shofar for the sliver moon is also not in scripture. ;-)

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    4. Sept 29 is Kol Nidre "All Vows", the tradition of Talmudic Rabbis is to forgive pre-planned Sins and Vows of their Congregations for the coming years from one Feast of Atonement to the next. Certainly nothing Scripture either Old or New Covenants teach.

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    5. Personally, I believe the sign is for Israel and we will be gone on the last day of FOT. 9/21 or 9/22

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    6. I think the sign is for Israel also (fulfilling Micah 5:3), and the Church has been blessed to witness it. Also, John sees it in the things to come. I think that's important.

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    7. definitely Natalie,...bless you

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    8. Ah, yes! Micah 5:3! Thanks Natalie!

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  3. AHHHHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, my head just exploded AGAIN! When I thought it couldn't get any better, "Gary To the Rescue!" Ambiguity is a good thing, it confirms no one really know the 'exact' day or hour.

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  4. I really don't think that it matters what day it happens, just that these signs show us how close we are. I would rather be ready no matter what. How about you?

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    1. Yes, but God has made us creatures that like puzzles. If he made a giant puzzle, gave you clue's(Bible), and said start the Hunting(Watch). Isn't our job to figure it out?

      OK, maybe some people don't like puzzles... but I certainly do.

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    2. I like puzzles, especially patternless crosswords. :-)

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    3. I think Susan has nailed it. Since it was first revealed by Paul, the Rapture of the Church has always been characterized as an imminent event. That means it could happen at any time after it was first revealed. It could have happened in Paul's day. It could happen on the 23rd of September, 2017. Or the 24th. It could happen before I finish this.

      In all this research about the Rev. 12 sign, I see nothing that specifies a date for the Rapture. The sign does place the Rapture before Daniel's 70th Seven in the sequence of prophetic events, and I think that is its greatest value for the Church. The sign does nothing to place the Rapture on the calendar, and that's understandable given Paul's teaching about the Rapture. It's also in keeping with the fact that the Rapture's occurrence is tied to a number, not to a date or sign. That number is the complete number of Gentiles that the Lord knows will make up the Church; the "fulness of the Gentiles". When that number is complete, the Church is complete (perfect), and away we go.

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  5. Your posts are most interesting, but as emails are virtually unreadable. Granted my eyes are old, but the emails have large pictures with very small text that runs off the end of the page. On the phone I have to read half a line T a time and keep moving the page back and forth. Please consider reformatting, before you send your messages out as emails. Thank you.

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  6. Great insight! And it would be really interesting if it were on the 24th and people were laughing and mocking the "failed" 23rd. Know what I mean?

    Praying for MERCY......

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    1. "When they shall say 'peace and safety' then sudden destruction..." - 1 Thess 5:3

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    2. yes i know exactly what you mean Hillary and yes...Gods Mercy upon them, you said that right! Bless you

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  7. Actually, a 24 would make MORE sense, because everyone would be like, "Oh, it's not going to happen", and BAM! It does.

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  8. I think there are a few pieces that are still up in the air.

    The biggest one is the absence of the dragon. Maybe the dragon is a reference to Satan, and isn't a heavenly sign. Maybe it's that weird thing that can only be seen in infrared from Nasa Sky (although I haven't seen any information about when this image was taken, or how recent or old it is):

    https://skyview.gsfc.nasa.gov/userimages/skv3965998704486.html

    It's just puzzling that the woman is so clear and the dragon is extremely difficult to nail down.

    Second, when does this sign appear? Women usually give birth lying down, in which case 9/23 is the better date since the moon would then be under her feet (assuming a prone position). Or maybe she's standing up and 9/24 is better - except a whole lot of things are pointing to 9/23, and I'm not aware of anything that points to 9/24.

    Third, what does this sign mean? Does it mean the rapture happened on 9/21, or 9/22? Does it mean the rapture happens on 9/23 while this sign is in the sky? Does it mean the eclipse of Amos happens on this day so people can see the sign, or is that unrelated? Does this mean the rapture will happen at some point later? Is the rapture actually going to coincide with the birth on 9/9? I have no idea. I see no way to find out, other than to wait and see. I don't see how you can realistically pick a date, much less a time.

    I see a lot of evidence that the tribulation needs to begin in October in order to hit all the right dates. So it makes sense the rapture will happen sometime between now and then. But I'm not sure how you can get more specific than that.

    That does make this very difficult to share. It's easy to show that 9/23 lines up with Revelation 12, but then when people ask "What does that mean?", the only real answer anyone can give is "It's impossible to say." It's still exciting, but boy is there a lot of uncertainty.

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    1. When my sister was born, my mom had to stand up because the baby wouldn't come out because she got stuck. When there is a complication with the pregnancy in the old days, the woman would stand up instead of a c-section.

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    2. Good thoughts. I think the uncertainty can be a good thing. It keeps us humble and waiting on the Lord. I very much think the rapture could happen between 9/20-9/24. Of course, I could be wrong, but I do believe this is the REV12SIGN.

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    3. The "Last Trump", Thats how to nail it down. Go by scripture always.

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    5. i can't disagree Jeff,...Shalom brother

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    7. Back in the old days, when doctors didn't interfere, women gave birth crouching or standing with support. the way we do it now leads to so many problems, it's ridiculous.

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    8. The dragon is another wonder in Heaven....

      Rev 12:3 [KJV])
      And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

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    9. I believe God never intended for women to lay down while giving birth. That is why there are tables now that tilt upward for women to use during childbirth. It is much more natural to use gravity to help us and many women from other countries do still stand/squat as they did in days gone by.

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  9. It looks to me like it's the same sign on both days, that the sign just lasts from the 23rd into the 24th because the moon and the planets are still in the same vicinity. So I don't think the 23rd is the "wrong day" so much as the sign just lasts more than one day.

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    1. You raise a good point. Plus, biblical days are sunset to sunset, so it could be that the sign is really 9/23-9/24.

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  10. It would also more possibly fit the scripture "while the Bridegroom delayed......"

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  11. Dan 9/24 matches the date Sept 24. 70 Weeks are determined upon thy people... is the basis of the 7 Yr Tribulation, Pre-Trib Rapture and Dispensationalism. None of these are in Scripture. Interpreting 70 Weeks as 490 Years relies on Medean (Chaldean) Kings lists and assumes a Crucifixion year of 30AD. Jesus was Crucified 1 1/2 years before Herod died in the Spring of 4 BC.

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    1. This is the mistake some make. Adding and including numerology and gematria to what God said in his word. Last Trump, Last Trump, Last Trump.....not going to be a different time than what the bible clearly declares...Last Trump.

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    2. Don't forget "In the twinkling of an eye"
      In Jerusalem, the moment of Twilight
      Just before the dark of night.
      The beginning of a new day.

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    3. Herod did not die in 4 B.C. That is a Josephus inaccuracy which he is notorious for.

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    5. Some interesting additional info I found is that the last trump also can refer to a military signal: https://lynmelvin.blogspot.com/2017/07/the-rapture-can-timing-be-known.html

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    6. A sudden random thought of mine. I have seen some videos and reports about strange, trumpet sounds that people from different parts of the world have been hearing. Could it be that these are the trumpets of God and part of a series, meaning, at the last blast, we would be gone? Just a random thought. I am not even sure if those videos and reports are legit.

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  12. X is the 24th English letter; X is Greek "Chi" is "Christ" or Messiah. The Ecliptic and Zodiac intersect in an X. Jesus referred to Herod as "That Fox"; in English F=6 + O=15=6 + X=24=6.

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    1. What are you trying to say Here? This feels like spam.

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    2. He's trying to show that Gematria is horse-poo. Or making fun of people. Jesus did not refer to Herod as "That Fox". Anon - if you have anything accurate to claim, let's hear it.

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  13. I'm still watching for September 20th at sundown (beginning of the first day of the Feast of Trumpets) because the 1st and 2nd Temples are a mirror of the real thing, New Jerusalem! The first 2 temples were dedicated on Feast of Trumpets, it's likely that New Jerusalem will be too.

    1 Kings 8 (1st Temple dedication) on Feast of Trumpets: assembled King Solomon, the Ark of the Covenant, the elders of Israel and all the heads of the tribes, the chief fathers of the children of Israel. The same event is in 2 Chronicles 5-7. This is the Head!

    Ezra 3 (2nd Temple) on Feast of Trumpets: "children...gathered together as one man" or perhaps "male child" (Rev12, Isaiah66); No King, No Ark, No elders, No heads, No chief fathers... just the children. The same event is recorded in more detail in Nehemiah 7-8... This is the body!


    The earthly temples are a shadow and copy of the Heavenly one:
    Hebrews 8 "4 For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law:
    5 Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount."

    Yep... Both earthly Temples were dedicated on Feast of Trumpets... Can't wait for the next one!

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    1. Sept 20 the "Christ Angle" forms at sunrise. Bethlehem is 26.3 degrees east of north alignment of the Pyramids; the Ascending and Descending Shafts are at 26.3 degrees and point to Alpha Draconis "Thuban" once each Stellar Year. Alpha Leo "Regulus" will be at 26.3 degrees above the horizon as Orion's belt will be at Meridian over the Pyramids built to reflect these stars. The Great Pyramid represents Al Nitak "Wounded One" representing Saturn (Osiris or Orion) wounded by Diana the goddess of witchcraft worshipped by the Ephesians with the image of Jupiter (Acts 19:35) Still think Sept 23-24 is the birth of the Bride of Jesus?

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    2. God made and named the stars. Man made the pyramids. Satan is constantly twisting what God has made. I can assure you that Jupiter was not originally named after a pagan god. It's God's star and it's meaning points to Christ.

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    3. OH come on.

      Ordinary men did not construct those pyramids!



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    4. I think this refers to the "Great Pyramid/pillar", then man tried to mock it and built two more around it. The chamber is made to fit the Ark of the covenant.
      [Isa 19:19 KJV] In that day shall there be an altar to the LORD in the midst of the land of Egypt, and a pillar at the border thereof to the LORD.

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    5. See... Here is another hint to a Feast day being associated with the Day of the Lord:

      Amos 5
      "18 Woe to you who desire the day of the Lord!
      For what good is the day of the Lord to you?
      It will be darkness, and not light.
      19 It will be as though a man fled from a lion,
      And a bear met him!
      Or as though he went into the house,
      Leaned his hand on the wall,
      And a serpent bit him!
      20 Is not the day of the Lord darkness, and not light?
      Is it not very dark, with no brightness in it?
      21 “I hate, I despise your FEAST Days,
      And I do not savor your sacred assemblies."

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    6. Amos 5:18 "Woe to you who desire the day of the Lord!"
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      Amos 5:21 “I hate, I despise your FEAST Days, And I do not savor your SACRED ASSEMBLIES."

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  14. Am I correct in thinking that the evening of the 23rd is still the same jewish day as the early morning of the 24th? Or are we assuming the final trump will be sounded mere moments before sunset on the 23rd and that anytime after sunset is, in fact, the next day?

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    1. You're correct - sunset 9/23 to sunset 9/24 is the same biblical day. As far as when the trump will sound... some say the "twinkling of an eye" is an idiom for the moment day turns to night, which I believe will be around 6:30 PM Israel time on 9/23. Others say the Rev 12 Sign takes place after the rapture because of what Isaiah 66 says. The rapture could be on 9/21 or 9/22.

      I'm happy to have a general timeframe: 9/20-9/24.

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    2. AMEN! So the question is: If signs are for Jews:
      [1Co 1:22 KJV] For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
      Will the body even see the sign?

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    3. Well, John saw it in the part that "must soon take place after this" part of Revelation.

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  15. As I was going to St. Ives,
    I met a man with seven wives,
    Each wife had seven sacks,
    Each sack had seven cats,
    Each cat had seven kits:
    Kits, cats, sacks, and wives,
    How many were there going to St. Ives?

    Look, all sevens.

    First why did he let someone we never heard of write about a personal story with its own interpretation (Fire Rainbow)?

    Now he writes that it 'could be' the 24th. This is the first time I have read this here.

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    1. This is Gary's site. If ya don't like it, don't read it.

      This is a new discovery. Of course it is the first time it's posted.

      Please, next time try not to be condescending and rude on your next comment. Be Christ like.

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    2. There were 2801 going to St. Ives, unless you include the speaker, in which it is 2802. If you include others who aren't named, it is an unknowable number greater than or equal to 2802.

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    3. Only one was going to St. Ives.

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  16. How does this scenario fit re "at the last trump"? Makes it kinda late!?

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  17. On the 24h the moon is in Libra and has left Virgo. The day for the "Last Trump" is well past also. The 3rd or 4th watch of the night was mentioned above also. Yet you quote 10:30am Jerusalem time. That is a disqualifier right there. Sorry, can't buy into this artical at all. This is the kind of thing that confuses many. Too much speculation on a site many turn to for concrete information. Shouldn't throw a monkey wrench in here with unbiblical speculation. Have to go by scripture, "Last Trump" etc... and not rely 100% on the configuration of the sign. This it seems to me is to be putting the sign and position of the elements above scripture. Sorry dude(s)...this one is a strikeout for me.

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    1. Unless you consider: Matthew 25:5 While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept. Matthew 25:6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom comes; go out to meet him. Although the delay depicted here doesn't push the time into the next day per se, by Jewish timekeeping it would by modern timekeeping standards.

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  18. This is interesting: They are talking about a trumpet will sound close to the end.
    https://www.breakingisraelnews.com/92509/temple-mount-crisis-harbinger/#Sh4MywttSf6O8LKg.97
    Quote: "As the curtain begins to rise on the final scene of the redemption of the nation of Israel, an ancient tradition that tells us that Eliyahu HaNavi—Elijah the Prophet—will sound a great shofar to herald the crescendo of Jewish history."

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    1. "The virgin of Israel has fallen and shall no more rise" Amos 5:2

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    2. This verse is speaking of the house of Israel, not the Jews (House of Judah.)
      Look at this.
      Amo 5:15  Hate the evil, and love the good, and establish judgment in the gate: it may be that the LORD God of hosts will be gracious unto the remnant of Joseph. 
      It is speaking even more focused toward Joseph. Where is Joseph located?

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    3. Joseph is the United States of America. In prophetic fulfillment, The first President of the new United States, George Washington, placed his hand upon a Bible he requested be brought to him for the occasion of taking the oath of office, It is recorded that his hand rested upon the scripture found in Deuteronomy about the tribe of Joseph, and all the blessings upon his descendants.

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    4. How very... Masonic.

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  19. "Second, when does this sign appear? Women usually give birth lying down, in which case 9/23 is the better date since the moon would then be under her feet (assuming a prone position)."

    My guess also goes with the laying down stick figure that falls on the feast of trumpets. Plus, there have been a good chunk of interesting day counts found to connect with the 23rd. Adding one more day would make them have to be coincidence...

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    1. The signs point to a certain date and time but there is a delay until the bridegroom arrives in Matthew 25:5 While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept. Matthew 25:6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom comes; go out to meet him.

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    2. The position you have as 'prone' is incorrect. It should be 'supine'

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  20. ARE WE THERE YET?!!!........

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  21. I am glad Gary put this out there. Why not point this out? It doesn't matter what my opinion is, but I have a couple things to have clarified: 1) Is 66:7 "Before she goes into labor, she gives birth; before the pains come upon her, she delivers a son." To me, Sept 23/24, the Great Sign has already given birth...seems a rapture event could happen as early as the American Eclipse..and that seems more likely to me...

    2) I am in full belief that 1 Thes 4:16 which says "For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first" is the rapture and not the 7th trumpet in Revelation, based on 1 Cor 15:52 "in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. " BUT, where is it that this "last trump" is the trumpet of Feast of Trumpets?

    3) I have been shown that God always gives warning before His judgements (Noah, Lot). A rapture BEFORE the sign give birth is quite the warning to the world..I am not in disagreement 100% with rapture happening 9/23 or 24, yet something in me believes those last unfulfilled Feasts are for his Chosen people. As a saved Gentile that is my inclination, though I constantly search and pray for discernment, and consider what others point out with an open mind and heart and in all humbleness. There is so much God has shown us through His People and we can learn so much about our Father through their historical journies.

    With that, my final question or need for clarification is 4) Is there a Jew or Israelite currently alive today that is looking at Rev 12:1-2 as a sign for the coming Messiah? They clearly watch for the lunar cycles, what say those in Judea today concerning this? Do they consider what was revealed to John at all?

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    1. I am thinking along similar line. If Rev 12 sign is a sign for Israel, then it only makes sense for the Rapture to happen BEFORE the sign to explain the event. If Rapture happens AFTER the sign, then chances for most of Israel to even think retrospectively to examine what happened in the sky before that is slim. However, if the Rev 12 sign is for the church, then it makes more sense for the Rapture to happen AFTER the sign, because the sign would indeed be a sign pointing to the coming event. Of course, this may not be such a strong case in our day and age because as of now, many in the church are already aware of this sign even before it happens. I have not think through this carefully yet. Just throwing this out and see what you guys think about it.

      Claire.

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    2. I will start by replying to your Q4. Paul writes in his first letter to the Corinthians (1:22), "For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks (or Gentiles) seek after wisdom.." So I propose to say, yes indeed, the Jews are absolutely looking or even demand a sign or signal regarding the 3rd Temple, re-instituting daily sacrifices, and the coming Messiah.

      <> THUS, this is where it gets interesting, maybe spooky yet pretty inline with how it will plays out or is playing out in this very generation <>

      So the Jews are "still" expecting the Messiah (but we know and believe He already came, lived, died, was resurrected, and now sits at the right hand of God the Father) and the powers that be (the Ill___i fill in the blank) fully know this too. Because of their own agenda (one world government/ control) and being on the ac's team, they are going to give the Jews and the world their long-awaited Messiah. I propose they are indeed going to manufacture the Messiah's "1st coming," as they are currently manufacturing other world-wide events as we type. They are teamed with the False Prophet and the nefarious world for sure, going about changing the world but also working to produce their intended result: control over the world via the beast system (gov/military/mind control/chip ID etc....).

      So getting back to the "sign." Since the nefarious world knows the Bible, they certainly know about the upcoming Rev 12 sign too. Could the Ill..i be using the Rev 12 as a means to deliver their message (Messiah) too? I propose they (the govt = nasa/dod/dhs etc.) will enact their project blue bean in/around the time of the upcoming eclipse and the Rev 12 sign in Sept. The enemy has always posed as an agent of light but is only an imitation of the real thing. He uses his same schemes and tricks because they are successful! Using CGI/Holograms and other means, they will be creating a very real sign, but the sign will not be the Messiah, BUT will be the GREAT DECEPTION. Those in control have been controlling science/media since media has been around. We have been told (via media channels) of aliens and trips to outer space, neither of which exist nor are tangible things. The GREAT DECEPTION will be an manufactured alien invasion (using CGI/Holograms etc..) in collaboration with other manufactured (or natural) events/ disasters. The world has been told or fed this story of alien life for 40+ years, only to prepare us for when it really happens. So the "aliens" come and deceive many (as many are already programmed by TV etc) and thus, the world must unite together under the leadership of.....guess who? Well, the False Prophet (PF/Vat) will probably have to make the intro, but certainly will be rolling out the red carpet for the the messiah (ac) who will come from above to either fight the "aliens" or make peace with them (dunno, choose an adventure here). Mind you, this is all fake with the exception of the real war coming to Israel (Ezk 38-39), judgment on the US (via N Korea, or insider threat? TBD).

      Anyways, who knows when the restrainer will pull the church out for all of this to happen. Only God knows how this exactly plays out and only God knows when harpazo happens. The eclipse seems like a good time, anytime between the eclipse and the Rev 12 sign (FoT), even Yom Kippur. Or maybe God needs us here to help explain the GREAT DECEPTION to others? Like many others, I believe the restrainer will be easing up sooner than later, as God knows all this shall come to pass in order for His word to be fulfilled and come true.

      Time is short, so let us tell others of God's gift of His son Jesus and of Jesus' sacrifice on the cross for our sins. Humankind misses the mark (of being perfect) so we require a savior, the savior's blood to make atonement for our sins so we can be in the presence of a Holy God.

      I look forward to meeting y'all soon, up there in the heaven above (2nd or 3rd?). It will be better from the balcony than from the floor!

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    3. Sounds about right! They (I...i) have to or must know, how would they be allowed to prepare the great deception?

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    4. Addendum to my 9:05a post.

      Another part of the equation will include the "scientific" progresses at CERN and other places (ex. cloning, creating trans-human hybrids/ cyborgs). Remember all those movies like Terminator etc.. well, the GREAT alien DECEPTION will be a great time to roll out these "bionic hero" soldiers.

      OK, RE: CERN.

      They are definitely working (and working hard) to open portals to other dimensions, opening up (gate)ways for demons to go/fro. Yes, demons roam the earth now, but CERN will be helping the fallen gain more access in a major (gate)way. So while the Il__i is busy with their show and helping install the ac, CERN will be enabling the demonic army (the fallen angels) gain wide access to the earth...Revelation tells out how this is....awful. Between the beast system led by the ac and widespread demon presence, it will be an awful time (see Rev 9:1-8). Men will be tormented, will want death, but will be tormented by these "beings."

      I was thinking CERN and the Il___i were not connected, BUT just do a Google search on the 2016 SuperBowl (50) Halftime show. The CERN portal takes front and center. Scary enough, but also look at the 2017 and 2015 SB halftime shows.

      I don't watch much TV nor the trash between the actual SB game, so I was in the dark on these until this past week. Wow, with a quick search and some help from other youtube helpers, it is just so obvious (satanic symbolism and messaging) YET the general (programmed, numb, controlled) population views it as "entertainment."

      It is ALL converging now in late 2017 and signs in the moon, the stars, and the sun are telling us: SOMETHING is coming/ going to happen soon.

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    5. Last addendum.

      The current manifest of demons among the earth are the reptilians. Born from the Nephilim and/or part of the hybrid demonic race. The royals are full of them (the entire blood line and others)..as well as Hollywood..as is the US government.. as is the..world-wide media (yes, many many of these nice-looking TV personalities commanding the voice of news are in fact... reptilian). Just do some digging.

      Lord Jesus save us! Call upon the name of the Lord and ye shall be saved!

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  22. Those last unfulfilled feasts were at last partially fulfilled: Jesus was born on Feast of Tabernacles, circumcised on the 8th Day of Tabernacles; Crucified on Passover Eve, buried on Feast of Unleavened Bread, rose from death on Feast of First Fruits and delivered the Holy Ghost on Pentecost. Feast of Trumpets will be fulfilled during the Great Tribulation 7 Trumpets and Feast of Atonement will be fulfilled with the death of His followers, most by decapitation in lieu of accepting the rule of Antichrist and Mark of the Beast

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  23. Anonymous, "Jesus was born on Feast of Tabernacles, circumcised on the 8th Day of Tabernacles; " I need scripture verses here to reference this...

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  24. Luke 1: John the Baptist conceived during Abia, the 8th 8 Day Temple service in June; in Elizabeth's 6th month of pregnancy, Jesus was conceived at Hanukkah and born 9 months later on Feast of Tabernacles because that what Jesus was, the Tabernacle of the Lord. OT law required circumcision on the 8th day; Feast of Tabernacles is the only Feast of the Lord with 8 Days.

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  25. Right on, Jeff Black! Preach it brother! Totally agree with you.

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  26. REV 12 DRAGON THEORY
    Satan is a deceiver and often hides in plain site. A good example
    is the witches foot (upside down broken cross). 60's and 70's
    everybody called it the peace sign. You still occasionally see it.
    Satin rarely appears as he is, but something entirely different. He marks
    what he owns by the use of symbols, such as pentagram ,rainbow,eye of Horas,
    pyramid, crescent moon, witches foot and many other things. Many company trade marks, countries and people. Remember, Allah is a moon god. Islamic flags have crescent moons on them. The god Baal is a crescent moon, a statue of ISIS from Egypt has her wings spread in shape of crescent moon.The US dollar bill front side upper right hand side. The shield of the family of Rothschild encloses the number 1. The upper left corner of shield looks like a crescent moon with a horned owl sitting on it, to get a good look use a magnify glass. Guess own owns the US. He's not called the deceiver for nothing.
    I first time I ran Stellarium. I told my wife, the dragon is the crescent moon.
    That was back the first of June. I did a PDF to send to my kids and friends. I
    thought somebody would get it. When nobody did, I started doubting myself. After reading this article today. My wife said, send it in and see what everybody thinks.
    So please tell me what you think, no matter if if good or bad.

    Stellarium set to Jerusalem. 8:30 AM, Sept 22 F4-sky and viewing options, check scale moon box. Flatten horizon, change atmosphere to black, click Jupiter so make it pulse so we know where it is in daylight. Change back to daylight. This the first and only time that the dragon has a Chance to devour the baby. For fun go to F4 and change moon scale to 8x and change time to 9:10 AM This will give a good idea what it looks like. Remember the dragon does not want to be seen.
    Feedback is appreciated David R my handle is Key maker, above all make sure your travel plans are booked.






    Run Stellarium with moon to show it's phases. Slow down and stop at
    Jupiter. (after the birth)


    First and only chance to devour the baby. 930 AM Jerusalem time.
    Very small sliver of light and probable would not be seen. But misses
    anyway. Next day 10/23/2017 and too late.


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      I didn't realize the last 5 lines were there Just ignore them

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    2. "I told my wife, the dragon is the crescent moon."

      What an imagination. All the time studying the occult is making you mad.

      Why not see Soul Evolution and Expitaly channels on Youtube? THERE is your dragon.

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    3. There ya go, yet another "Type", we do know that "allah" is the "moon god". And we already know it controls a beast system. And he is always depicted in a crescent, https://www.biblebelievers.org.au/moongod.htm

      But there is a problem, it isn't the 'great red dragon'.... The moon doesn't have a tail..... This has to be one of those areas of satan trying distract us with his symbols.

      [Rev 12:3-4 KJV] 3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. 4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

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  27. This is somewhat trivial but interesting. I noticed on Twitter that #TribFest17 was trending a few days ago. The dates for the Texas Tribune Festival ("TribFest") are Sept 22-24. The second meaning for Trib, of course, for our community is Tribulation. "As Texas goes, so goes America, and as America goes, so goes the world."

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  28. September 24 is my birthday. I will be turning 40. It will be a great birthday present from God. When I was in first grade, someone gave me a track...it talked of a verse from the Revelation...the Book of Life, Heaven and Hell. It stayed in my heart ever since, even though I didn't understand it very well because English is not my native language. It was in High School that I gave my life to Christ and begin looking forward to His return. I am very excited!

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  29. The fulfilment of a sign can't be in the same day as a sign itself. Then what is the point of a sign? I think the fulfilment of the Rev 12 sign will happen after 1260 days.

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    1. Hmm... I think it could go either way:

      Star of Bethlehem - first appeared when Christ was conceived or born and was present when the the magi actually found Jesus

      Crucifixion - the sun turned dark on the very day and according to Acts 2, the Moon likely turned blood red that same day, too

      Exodus - the sky turned dark immediately during the plagues, shortly before the Israelites left

      Abraham - according to Jasher there was a sign in the heavens on the very night of his birth

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    2. He's thrusting a square into a circle again.

      We know that this is a signal to the Jews that the 70th week is near. How near, we don't know. If the 7 year of hell begins on 23 September, it would not be a sign or signal, which we know it is.

      Kits, cats, sacks and wives. We are doing the same thing here as we did by allowing Jim from SC to post his personal chronicles.

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    3. Rev 12:6 tells us this sign is part of the Great Tribulation's 1260 days.

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    4. Isn't the point of the sign that we HAVE been looking at it for quite some time now? So, after all this time, why can't it be fulfilled Sept, 20-23? Too much over-analyzing. Keep it simple.

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  30. Thanks for all your work, Gary! We appreciate it.

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  31. The moon has moved all the way into Libra by the 24th which is way beyond her feet. You have depicted here the next day, on which the moon will still not be seen due to sun. The point of the sign is that it is on Rosh Hashana and sets in the West at 8pm, when all you can see is her feet with Saturn (The planet of Satan) at the feet of Ophiucus. The moon is beneath the feet i.e. the stars which represent the feet at 8pm. The sign is accurate to within minutes of the close of the two day feast of Rosh Hashana. Go to www.revelationchapter12.com for more technical information

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    1. Sandy Armstrong often preaches in front of a Six Pointed Star of Moloch, Chiun, Saturn, Remphan, Sikkuth, El; he is a Zionist. His teachings of the Lost Tribes are taken directly from Brit-Am-Isreal (Yair Davidy) and Arthur Koestler (13 Tribes) material. Be Careful! The plan to place a human Messiah from the genealogy of David on the Throne of the 3rd Temple is called "Chiliasm"; this will be Antichrist as JESUS comes to destroy the Temple and place Antichrist and False Prophet in the Lake of Fire first.

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    3. The Six Pointed Star of Saturn (Amos 5:2) is the Chaldean STUR=666, the Star of Moloch

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  33. Daniel @ informedchristians has done a great job unpacking the Dragon, i.e. Draco, the largest constellation of about 80 stars as I recall. He also explains the sweeping of a third as an astronomical indicator and all of it in the context of a nautical understanding of the heavens which John and all those of Biblical times, living in coastal regions, would have known very well.

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  34. You know, after reading most of the blogs on this site and other sites, I am forced to question everything now. I have to deal with my own confusion and the confusion of you all..the arguing, disagreeing...Jesus Christ! Why are you allowing all this chaos with us? Holy Spirit, were is the manefestation of your power? Are we all just victims of the end times deception?

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    1. Your frustration and concern is very understandable. I feel it myself quite often, but remember that it's always darkest before the light. Spiritual warfare is very real, especially now. The enemy is doing everything he can to throw the Church off because of how close we are. Trust in Christ.

      Sometimes it helps to rest and remind yourself of the simple, non-negotiable truths:

      God is One. God is love. God is good. God is trustworthy. I'm saved by grace. I'm saved through faith. Jesus died for my sins. Jesus rose again.

      Those are the truths that satan most wants to steal from you, but don't let him.

      Many people are arguing and attacking one another as this wave of darkness grows. Demonic activity is reaching its peak. Hang in there. Pray often. Trust God.

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    2. Anonymous, Also I think that you might be seeing something that isn't happening. If Greg and I banter back and forth, "it is discussion", we are not mad at each other, or angry. Our main goal is to share the Gospel, the 2nd is to figure this stuff out in open communication. It is rare that someone comes out in a blistering attack. We pray for those individuals. The text back and forth loses emotion, so, and I can be guilty of not putting my words in correctly, that I will admit and repent (I'm Sorry).

      Greg, Amen! Well Said! Lets Let His Light SHINE!

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  35. SIGNED, 'Come from the school of hard knocks'christian...

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  36. I think Gary has a valid point. If you draw a straight line connecting the two stars that represent Virgo's "feet" (Mu Virginis and 109 Virginis), you will see that the moon crosses that line at approximately 00:40 on the morning of the 24th. At that point you could accurately say the moon is *level* with Virgo's feet, and thus not strictly *below* them until on into the wee hours of the 24th.

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    1. FWIW: The time I gave is Taiwan time, which is 6 hours ahead of Jerusalem.

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  37. It is good to keep studying and looking at the Scriptures and the information we have. I too share in the excitement of the very real possibility of the Rapture occurring during this upcoming Feast of Trumpets. It is fun to think about how even the most alert watchman among us will still be surprised when he or she is transformed and caught up in the twinkling of an eye! Thank you Gary and all at Unsealed for your continued fervent sharing as you pray, search, and watch<3

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  38. REV. 12.6 talks about 1260 days, that's 3.5 years, Could it be the start of the great tribulation? but I don't know if the rapture is pre-tribulation or mid or post.

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    2. Rev 11:2; Rev 12:6; Rev 13:5 all speak to the 3 1/2 Year, 1260 Day, 42 Month "Great Tribulation". Rev 9:1-11 is the 5th Trumpet, 1st Woe! which lasts 5 months (150 days); Satan aka Apollo/Apollyon/Abaddon all mean "Destroyer" is ejected from Heaven and given the keys to the Bottomless Pit. Rev 9:13-21 is the 6th Trumpet, 2nd Woe! and lasts 1 Hour, 1 Day, 1 Month, 1 Year; 13 (391 Days) 4 Angles are released which slay 1/3 of the Earth. The 7th Trumpet is the 3rd and final Woe! (313 ! in the KJV; the final described in Rev 18:18 as the fall of Babylon. The 7 Vials of God's Wrath is the final day before the 2nd Coming. Rapture is really the Body Resurrection of followers of Jesus at the 7th Trumpet.

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    3. https://billygraham.org/answer/is-it-all-right-for-a-christian-to-believe-in-astrology-and-discover-gods-plan-for-his-or-her-life-through-a-horoscope/

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    4. Greenrichardg, here is the real question we must ask.
      We're the magi that we're looking for Christs first coming guilty of astrology?

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  39. "The 7 Vials of God's Wrath is the final day before the 2nd Coming. Rapture is really the Body Resurrection of followers of Jesus at the 7th Trumpet." The 7th trumpet is not the same trumpet as in 1Thes and 1 Cor 15.. even with an english translated Bible, the description of this 7th trumpet is not the same person delivering it, it is a judgement trumpet. How do explain this verse:"For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ." 1Thes 5:9?

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  40. > Sep 24 ... 24 elders

    Why would God honor anything to do with a pagan calendar? See Dan 7:25, "...try to change the set times..."

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    1. Barbiosheepgirl Here is the issue "For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation" 1 Thess 5:9KJV You are likely using the NIV Bible which uses "Suffer" in place of "Wrath" There is a very big difference. God's Wrath is strictly for unrepentant sinners; "Earth Dwellers" (Rev 13:8KJV) There are many other substantial differences between the KJV (written from the Received Texts/Inspired Texts) for example and the NIV (written from Westcott and Hort's translations from the Bible Revision Committee. 1 Jn 5:7KJV is not even in the NIV. "Yea, and all that lwill live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution" 2 Ti 3:12KJV. You can compare bible verses side by side using Bible Hub

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  41. Maybe the Lord is saying this sign is for both the Saturday people
    and the Sunday people?

    However, as correctly stated, the moon is no longer in the constellation Virgo, but in Libra, and as our sign rises in the heavens on September 24th, we no longer have the moon as a part of our heavenly sign but must wait for Libra to appear in the sky in order for John's description to be complete. We can easily see that Leo and Virgo must both be included in order for our sign to be "complete, but no indication that
    Libra is involved?

    Also, and this seems critical, on September 23 we have a concise alignment (conjunction) of the moon and Comet 67P. What religion does the crescent moon bring to mind and what could the number "67" relate to? And now we have on this day alone, September 23, Comet 67 basically in a "battle" with the crescent moon and the next day we have the crescent moon falling into judgement/justice (weighed in the scales of Libra). Psalm 74:2-4

    Notice on September 23, Virgo rises in the sky and is seen on the horizon before the moon appears. The moon is truly below/under/at the feet of Virgo. Whether Virgo is slightly "sideways," the moon is still completely and totally below her feet.

    Bendiciones and Shalom!

    Redroksaz

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  42. Comet 67p will be in conjuction with the Moon at the feet of Virgo as Jupiter exits her womb. NASA's alleged rendevous with 67p in the "Rosetta Mission" occured on Sept 11, 2014 with a landing on Nov 12. The "Rosetta Stone" allowed the deciphering of Egyptian Hieroglyphics; Rosetta figuratively means "Something that provides the key to previously unattainable understanding". Rosetta is the European name of "Al Rashid" who allegedly discovered the Rosetta Stone; Bullshit! Al Rashid is one of the Royal Jordanian family lines; King Abdullah (Abd=House + Allah) Jordan is Idumea, the land of Edom, Moab, Ammon who all escape the hand of Antichrist (Dan 11:41). Jordanian Royalty is Hashemite ie descended from the Quyaish Tribe of Mecca; the Korahites from Num 16 (Kore in Jude 7) who founded an Alternative Priesthood in Moses and Aaron's day. Al Rashid is also one of 99 names of Allah; Allah is not God at all, but rather the 4000+ Yr old Arab Moon God "Sin". The Arab daughters of Allah are Manat, Uzza and Al Lat, or Sun, Venus and Moon which all figure prominently in the Crown of the Virgin. Mars and Mercury round out the planets forming the Crown; Mars is the Roman God of War. Mars (aka Babylonian Nergal 2 Ki 17:30; the Rooster/Cock Idol "Sanjak" worshipped in Iran) is the Greek Ares worshipped at Mars' Hill in Athens (Acts 17:22-24) On Mars' Hill is an altar dedicated to the UNKNOWN GOD Now if you think this UNKOWN GOD is JESUS you need to get into a personal relationship with Him.

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  44. The date of the rapture, depends on WHERE the day is located!
    Sept. 23rd in Jerusalem is 6 hours ahead of East Coast Time USA.
    I feel it will be at sundown because of the phrase, "The twinkling of an eye" referring to the exact moment of the night time, (or new day).
    So, night time, after the day of Sept 22nd in Jerusalem, will be 6:34pm, (about 1:34pm East Coast Time USA), that is when Set. 23rd begins.
    Of course, if they do not see the moon, (because of the sun shine), then it will be about 6:30pm+ when the Feast will occur, and that will be the new rapture date.
    That, in my opinion, is when the rapture will take place.

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    NOTE:

    Some say that the interpretation of "No man knows the day or the hour" has been misinterpreted. They say that the disciples understood the meaning of "The Day or The Hour" as well as the "Twinkling Of An Eye"

    No man knows the day or the hour Explained:

    The Feast Of Trumpets is marked by one of two days.
    http://www.shepherdministries.net/home/rosh_hashanah_countdown

    The Feast of Trumpets is the ONLY Feast of The Lord in which the arrival is dependent upon the confirmed sighting of the new moon before it can officially begin. For that reason, there are always two days allotted and considered to be "one long day".

    This countdown timer is timed for sundown (Jerusalem Time) of the evening preceding the first day. However, this feast may not officially begin until the following day or evening.
    *Holidays begin at sundown on the evening of the previous day*

    Two Jews are sent out and watch for the moon at sunset. If they cannot see the moon (usually because the sun is too bright to see the moon) then the Feast Of Trumpets is on the next night.
    If the two witnesses do see the moon, they report back to the High Priest and thus begins the feast day.

    The twinkling of the eye explained:
    http://www.torahcalendar.com/SUNSET.asp

    In Hebraic thought, evening twilight is understood as a transitional period between day and night. It is currently understood that it is evening twilight as long as two stars of medium magnitude are visible, but it is night upon the appearance of a third star of medium magnitude. In ancient times, some understood that night begins in a moment in time which is impossible to determine called the twinkling of an eye. This is interesting, as Paul prophesied that the righteous would be resurrected in the twinkling of an eye.

    Thus, no man knows ahead of time, the day or the hour. But it is on one, of two consecutive days, marking the feast day, and/or the New day (or Sabbath), thus, only the Father knows the day or the hour ahead of time.

    Scotties Main Site:
    https://www.youtube.com/user/eternalrhythmflow/videos

    Suggested Video from the above site:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbS50oi3sII

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    When will it be?

    Look for twilight in Jerusalem. Calculate the hour where you live. On the east coast it will be about 7 hours ahead. So, 8pm Jerusalem time will be about 2pm my time, (in the afternoon). See my post above talking about "No man knows the day or the hour explained". (I have no idea of when nightfall happens in Jerusalem in September.)

    6:34PM Jerusalem, Israel = 10:34am (7 Hours Ahead), East Coast, USA
    https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/israel/jerusalem?month=9
    OR
    It could be put off for 24 hours.

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    1. Can you not count? If Jersusalem is 7 hours forward from USA's East coast, then it is 11.30AM in America when it is 6.30PM in Israel.

      "Sept. 23rd in Jerusalem is 6 hours ahead of East Coast Time USA."

      "On the east coast it will be about 7 hours ahead. So, 8pm Jerusalem time will be about 2pm my time, (in the afternoon)."

      Eh?

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  45. How do you arrive at the Rapture on Feast of Trumpets when none of the 7 Trumpets have occurred?

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    1. The Apostle Paul told us when the Rapture would occur: 1 Cor. 15:51-52...at the Last Trump. That is blown in Israel at the end of the Feast of Trumpets. The end of the Feast of Trumpets occurs on September 23. I vote for the 23rd.

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  46. Marianne, I had a friend say the same thing to me several years ago. I had just done a precept studies on the 2 books of Thesalonians so it was fresh in my mind at the time.

    The 7th trumpet in Revelation, and I believe this is the one to whom you refer: Rev 11:15 "And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever." kjv... Study these angels and the context of their purpose. This in my humble opinion these 7 trumpets including the last one ,the 7th one, are not the same event mentioned by Paul in 1 Thes 4:16 "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first" kjv

    I mentioned this earlier in this thread of comments and someone disagreed with me. The 7 trumpets are part of judgement if you will, or at least proclaim something or announce something. They are not a call or gathering trumpet. Study this and pray deeply for discernment here. This an area of great controversy and why I thnk some believe in mid and post trib rapture, not pre trib...Maranatha!

    I do have a question though to those who have studied this even further: The trump of God, mentioned here in Thes and in Paul's other reference in 1 Cor 15:52 "In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed."kjv Where is more scripture to denote that this is the trumpet of Feast of Trumpets?

    My first guess is an answer comes about or the suggestion is because in studying the whole council of God from Genesis on into the NT, that we see a pattern and how God communicates with us. Namely, his communication, blessings, & disciplines He has put on His Chosen people. That is why they are Chosen. To show the world who He is through them. with Feasts, and their fulfillments thru Jesus' actual walk death and resurrection etc. landing on actual Spring feasts, Passover, et al, one can suggest that FOT is the Call or the gathering up of believers if you study FOT. I think is how someone would answer my question.

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    1. The Last Trumpet is the 7th and final Woe! It is the Trump of God; God Trumping Satan who has deceived the entire world. Trumpets by their nature as Paul said will never make an uncertain sound; if they did nobody would prepare themselves for the spiritual battle we face. They are indeed the same Trumpets

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  47. Gary...I have been in prayer since I read this article. God spoke to my heart as I slept Friday PM/Saturday AM.
    Romans 1:16
    For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
    Romans 2:9-10
    Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
    The Revelation 12 sign has been a call to salvation for the duration of the pregnancy and a warning of tribulation once the man child is born and caught up to God and to His throne...to the Jew first and then to the Greek/Gentile.
    If you will look at the differences between the time and dates east to west (not excluding north and south intentionally) this will bring understanding to the two dates 23rd and 24th. Israel is 8 hours ahead of us. There are only four hours in each 24 hour period where we have the same date. I think God is offering his message to the Jew first and then the Greek/Gentile before he receives us unto himself. God is longsuffering and he is good!
    I think this may also be of some interest to you...On Friday at sundown the sabbath bride is ceremonially ushered in.
    http://www.jewfaq.org/prayer/shabbat.htm
    https://youtu.be/MmeTO36QM_8
    On Saturday at sundown the sabbath bride is ceremonially ushered out.
    http://www.jewfaq.org/m/havdalahref.htm
    I think that this is somehow connected as well.

    With the Love of Jesus...
    Your sister in Christ,
    Karen

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  48. Movie: Passengers, length of Journey: 120 years. Access code: 2317

    In the movie " Passengers" the Starship Avalon is transporting 5258 people to their new home on a distant planet. It will take 120 years to get there. When somethings goes wrong, two passengers are awakened and one crew member. The Access code required to save one of the passengers life is 2317!

    On Sept 23-17 we may passengers on a different starship, headed to our new home!

    what are the odd of pick 2317? one in 10,000!

    120 years: Think Noah!

    I'm sticking with September 23-17!!

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    1. The Apostle Paul told us when the Rapture would occur: 1 Cor. 15:51-52...at the Last Trump. That is blown in Israel at the end of the Feast of Trumpets. The end of the Feast of Trumpets occurs on September 23. I vote for the 23rd.

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    2. Did you happen to look up G5258, amazing! They are in a deep sleep ;)

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    3. Wow what are the chances of that?!

      Hupnos - sleep; fig: spiritual sleep.

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    4. The G5258 is very interesting! I always wonder if this done deliberately, an inside joke on those stupid Christians, seeing if we bite, and then laughing at us. Can you imagine their shock, if we should be raptured in September? They might not be laughing then!

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    5. There are 5000 passengers and 258 crew, for a total of 5258 people asleep as they journey to their new home. In Strong's Concordance G5258 is the word sleep!(from Matthew M above) In Strong's Concordance G5000 is the word Tabitha, Tabitha is the woman Peter raised from the dead! "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord." Soon!

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    6. The more I look the more I find! I'm going to have to watch the whole movie again!

      At the end of the movie, 257 crew members emerge from their sleep, G257 in Strong's Concordance has to do with a "threshing-floor": Matt 3:12 "whose fan is in his hand, and he will thoroughly cleanse his threshing-floor; and he will gather his wheat into the garner, but the chaff he will burn up with unquenchable fire." Wow!!

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  49. Oh, Replacement Theology. I see.

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  50. Hey guys, I'm not sure but it looks like you might be using the screen of the TV series '24'. It was cool and got an LOL when I noticed that but be careful, you don't need a copyright issue hampering your ministry.

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  51. Felt led to comment again today on this question of what day in order to share a video I found. If we understand correctly what we have learned in the Scriptures, the Biblical idioms, the feasts, it all points to Yom Teruah--Feast of Trumpets as the appointed time for the Rapture. If the last trump is referring to the 100th blast of the shofar on the second day of the feast then the day is probably September 23.

    I put together information I learned related to that day in an article titled THE ARK OF ESCAPE: https://lynmelvin.blogspot.com/2017/08/the-ark-of-escape.html and in that article I included a video wherein Bob Barber shares a vision he received: OUR LAST DAY! DRAGON ARRIVES! WE DEPART! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tH-B8ykm0k Not that we rely on dreams and visions but this may well summarize what happens the last day we are on Earth. I'd be glad to know what you all think. Blessings<3

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  52. Wouldn't the dragon appear once the woman has begun labor? Rev 12:2 says that the woman is 'pained to be delivered', then verse 3 says 'there appeared another wonder in heaven'. So my interpretation is that the dragon will not appear until labor begins. This could be a few days or maybe a week before sept 23. After all, if the dragon was waiting to devour the child, why would it be waiting when the woman is not ready to deliver?

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    1. Yes, Anonymous. The Dragon will appear once the woman has begun labor. A human delivery takes a day or two so I suspect the Dragon will appear anytime between September 21-23. My speculations are that the Church is raptured at the same time the Dragon sweeps its tail.If you'd like to see what I found in my studies go to http://lynmelvin.blogspot.com/2017/08/by-skin-of-our-teeth.html

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  53. I have often wondered if something will happen 7 days before the rapture based on the scriptures below.
    God told Noah you have 7 days.....

    Gen 7:4-For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.

    Matthew 24:37-But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

    Luke 17:26- And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.

    Titus 2:13
    Nana

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