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The Micah Prophecy - The Key To Revelation 12

I would encourage our readers to take a look at Daniel Matson's thoughts on Revelation 12 and the astronomical occurrence in September 2017.  If this amazing event is in fact the actual Revelation 12 sign then Micah 5:2-3 may be the smoking gun in understanding how the sign points to the beginning of the Tribulation rather than the midpoint.  There is also scholarly support for placing the first sign of Revelation 12 at the rapture and beginning of the 70th Week of Daniel.

I have a slightly different perspective on some of the other dates he mentions, but we are in agreement that Fall 2017 will be an extremely high watch time (of course we are always on the watch, but sometimes even more alert than others).


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  1. I have been trying to put together information to see if God would want people to know when the Second Coming would be. It seems He told so much in the Bible if we just look. Noah had 7 days before the rains would come. Daniel told of when to look for the Messiah. People have even been able to show that 1948 was prophesied. So, why wouldn't He give information for such an important event as the 70th week and the Second Coming? Knowing then that the Rapture takes place anytime before that.

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    1. I wonder that myself, especially considering all the people who have set dates that didn't come to pass. Yet many, many times Jesus and the Apostles told the Church to "watch". I certainly can't agree with those who say we can't possibly know so don't bother.

      If I were to guess based on my current understanding of Scripture: we will not be able to know the exact day of the rapture, but the signs/birth pangs will continue to increase and so as we get closer to that day it will be very evident to those watching.

      As for the Second Coming, I think it will be able to be calculated exactly either after the rapture and the covenant of Daniel 9:27 is in place, or, after the Abomination of Desolation. The Bible gives exact day counts in Revelation 12 and also Daniel 9 and 12.

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    2. I agree with what you wrote. And it might be one of those things that could be pointed to after the fact by putting more pieces together as they fall in to place. Hope that made sense. Exciting times we live in, that's for sure!

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    3. ^ speaking of the start of the 70th week.

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  2. Where in the Bible says that "The Rapture" is before or in the middle of the "Great Tribulation" ?

    Matthew 24:
    The Coming of the Son of Man

    29 “Immediately after the suffering of those days
    the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light;
    the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of heaven will be shaken.

    30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see ‘the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven’ with power and great glory. 31 And HE will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds (SECRET RAPTURE?), from one end of heaven to the other.
    RAPTURE = At the end of the Great Tribulation

    Revelation 3:
    10 Because you have kept my word of patient endurance, I will keep you from the hour of trial that is coming on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth.
    RAPTURE ?
    This is not the Rapture, God is telling us that will "Keep, Protect, Secure" us during his Wrath and Judgment that will execute after the two Witness have been killed and resurrected then YHWH will "Keep, Protect, Secure" us, as HE did in Egypt with Israel and the 10 plagues that when all over Egypt. He will repeat same scenario once and for all, then He will gather His People "ISRAEL" and take them to land of Israel HE will the KING and YHWH for Ever ...

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    1. That question is not as simple as "this" verse or "that" verse. There are MANY scriptures and much to consider.

      The problem with using the analogy of preserving Israel in the midst of Egypt, or perhaps protecting Daniel in the Lion's Den, is that the Bible does not use these analogies when speaking of the Church and the Tribulation. Instead the two analogies used are:

      1. The days of Noah - Noah and his family taken out of harm's way and THEN judgment comes

      2. The days of Lot - Lot and his family taken out of Sodom and THEN Sodom destroyed

      Also, there are many examples of rapture in the Bible so God is certainly capable of doing it:

      1. Enoch taken from the earth

      2. Elijah taken to Heaven

      3. Jesus taken to Heaven

      4. Paul taken the the "third heaven"

      5. Philip transported instantly across countries

      I'm open to the possibility of any of the raptures (pre-,mid-,post-), but am currently persuaded by the pre-tribulational rapture. Instead of hashing it all out though, I would just point you to some resources I find convincing:

      http://www.unsealed.org/2015/03/will-there-be-rapture.html

      http://www.unsealed.org/2015/04/extra-biblical-evidence-for-pre-trib.html

      http://unsealed.boards.net/thread/4/250-reasons-pre-trib-rapture

      http://unsealed.boards.net/thread/22/jesus-olivet-discourse-rapture

      http://unsealed.boards.net/thread/14/early-church-rapture

      https://www.raptureready.com/featured/ice/TheRapturein2Thessalonians2_3.html

      http://mydigitalseminary.com/pre-tribulational-rapture-interview-michael-svigel/

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    2. Here's part of the problem in my humble opinion: people who subscribe to a post-trib Rapture typically get there by automatically assuming the "elect" in Matthew 24:31 is the Church on earth. First off, note that the word "elect" is used in several ways in Scripture, and so an examination of the context is needed to ascertain the intended meaning. I am 100 percent convinced that the elect here is simply *not* the Church, and here's why:

      There are a number of prophecies in the Old Testament that clearly spell out how Israel would be scattered all over the world for their rebellion and spiritual harlotry, and obviously that occurred. There are also a number of related prophecies that spell out how God will purge Israel and ultimately gather a believing remnant from all the places where they have been scattered, and bring them back into the land. These will be Jews who have returned to their God with all their heart, and they will be gathered into the land at the sound of a "great trumpet" (Isa. 27:13) in order to be ushered into their promised kingdom (the Millennial Kingdom).

      This gathering of the believing remnant of Israel is clearly after a great purging (the Great Tribulation) and before the initiation of the Millennial Kingdom (of which they are an integral part), and so logically this gathering must occur around the time of the Second Coming.

      Yes, Israel has been re-established as a nation, but in unbelief. That tells me that this purging and returning to God with all their heart is still future. This is one of the basic purposes of the Great Tribulation--the purging and ultimate national redemption of Israel (the other being the judgment of the Christ-rejecting nations of the world). Neither of these is remotely connected to the Church, but I digress.

      So when four of Jesus' disciples asked Him three questions pertaining to the future of Israel, He simply answered their questions--and it's crystal clear to me personally that verse 31 is the direct fulfillment of those Old Testament prophecies I just mentioned.

      So, here's a little challenge for all the post-trib folks out there: If you believe that the elect in verse 31 is the Church on earth, that's fine. But in that case, where exactly do those prophecies about the gathering of the believing remnant of Israel get fulfilled? If not here, then where?

      I only ask because if you can't show us some other place where they are fulfilled (and I hope this doesn't sound cocky or anything, but I really don't believe you can), then you are leaving those prophecies flapping in the breeze and are in effect calling God a liar and a welcher, not to put too fine a point on it.

      Just my two cents.

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    3. Greg L, Greg T here. A common sense reading of Matt 24:29, 30, and 31 indicates they are sequential, with v.29 starting off with "Immediately after the tribulation of those days..." This passage is damaging to the pre trib rapture theory, so I am not sure why you are emphasizing it.

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    4. Something I forgot:

      "But in that case, where exactly do those prophecies about the gathering of the believing remnant of Israel get fulfilled? If not here, then where?"

      I tend to believe right now that Revelation 12:5 will be the fulfillment of Micah 5:3. So what am I disagreeing with? I believe pretribbers are seeing in Rev. 12:5 the wrong group, and the wrong harpazio.

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    5. One more thing:
      "...then you are leaving those prophecies flapping in the breeze and are in effect calling God a liar and a welcher, not to put too fine a point on it."

      When pretibbers proudly proclaim this verse:
      1 Thessalonians 5:9  For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

      ...and then say that there will be people saved among the "left behind", they have in effect made God a liar, because their scenario has believers experiencing the Great Tribulation, which they equate to the wrath of God.

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  3. http://mydigitalseminary.com/pre-tribulational-rapture-interview-michael-svigel/

    1 Thessalonians 4:13-18New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)

    The Coming of the Lord

    13 But we do not want you to be uninformed, brothers and sisters, about those who have died, so that you may not grieve as others do who have no hope. 14 For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so, through Jesus, God will bring with him (Second Coming) those who have died. 15 For this we declare to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord (Second Coming/Post Rapture), will by no means precede those who have died.[f] 16 For the Lord himself, with a cry of command, with the archangel’s call and with the sound of God’s trumpet (Last Trumpet at the End of Tribulation), will descend from heaven, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive (Survive the Great Tribulation), who are left, will be caught up in the clouds together with them to meet the Lord in the air (He Will take them to Jerusalem); and so we will be with the Jehovah forever. 18 Therefore encourage one another with these words.


    https://www.raptureready.com/featured/ice/TheRapturein2Thessalonians2_3.html

    2 Thessalonians 2:1-6

    The Man of Lawlessness

    2 As to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ (Second Coming) and our being gathered together to him (The Rapture at the End of Tribulation), we beg you, brothers and sisters, 2 not to be quickly shaken in mind or alarmed, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as though from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord is already here (PRE-Rapture and MID-Rapture believers). 3 Let no one deceive you in any way; for that day (HIS Second Coming) will not come unless the rebellion comes first and the lawless one (Antichrist) is revealed, the one destined for destruction. 4 He opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, declaring himself to be God. 5 Do you not remember that I told you these things when I was still with you? 6 And you know what is now restraining him (Daniel 12: 1-2), so that he may be revealed when his time comes.

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  4. http://www.unsealed.org/2015/03/will-there-be-rapture.html

    Jesus Christ said He will come for the Second Time and His Kingdom will be stablished in Israel and then the whole Earth.

    Luke 21:36
    36 But stay awake at all times, praying that you may have strength to escape all these things that are going to take place, and to stand before the Son of Man.”

    Where does it says to be "Rapture" ?

    It is obvious that the winner crosses the "Finish Line" (to stand before the Son of Man) not before, else it is not a winner.


    1 Thessalonians 5:9
    9 For God has not destined us for wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.

    There are two "WRATHS" in the book of Revelation:
    The Wrath of SATAN-Allah = The Great Tribulation
    The Wrath of GOD-AlMigthy = The Seven Bolws and Armaggedom

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  5. I appreciate your thoughts, but disagree with some of your eisegesis. The materials I provided cover a lot of territory and even address some of these things. A pre-tribber would have different interpolations from your own in the given passage:

    2 As to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ (i.e. the Lord's coming FOR US) and our being gathered together to him (The Rapture BEFORE the Tribulation - the time of God's wrath is the entire Tribulation), we beg you, brothers and sisters, 2 not to be quickly shaken in mind or alarmed, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as though from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord is already here ('day of the Lord' elsewhere in Scripture tied to the time of God's global judgment - thus this is the 70th Week of Daniel). 3 Let no one deceive you in any way; for that day (the Tribulation) will not come unless the rebellion (Greek apostasia: "departure"; i.e. the rapture) comes first and the lawless one (Antichrist) is revealed (first seal), the one destined for destruction. 4 He opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, declaring himself to be God. 5 Do you not remember that I told you these things when I was still with you? 6 And you know what is now restraining him (Daniel 12: 1-2), so that he may be revealed when his time comes.

    From Thomas Ice's article:

    "It is with full assurance of proper exegetical study and with complete confidence in the original languages," concludes Daniel Davey, " that the word meaning of apostasia is defined as departure." [3] Paul Lee Tan adds the following:

    What precisely does Paul mean when he says that " the falling away" (2:3) must come before the tribulation? The definite article " the" denotes that this will be a definite event, an event distinct from the appearance of the Man of Sin. The Greek word for " falling away" , taken by itself, does not mean religious apostasy or defection. Neither does the word mean " to fall," as the Greeks have another word for that. [pipto, I fall; TDI] The best translation of the word is " to depart." The apostle Paul refers here to a definite event which he calls " the departure," and which will occur just before the start of the tribulation. This is the rapture of the church.[4]

    So the word has the core meaning of departure and it depends upon the context to determine whether it is used to mean physical departure or an abstract departure such as departure from the faith.

    The first seven English translations of apostasia all rendered the noun as either " departure" or " departing." They are as follows: Wycliffe Bible (1384); Tyndale Bible (1526); Coverdale Bible (1535); Cranmer Bible (1539); Breeches Bible (1576); Beza Bible (1583); Geneva Bible (1608).[5] This supports the notion that the word truly means " departure." In fact, Jerome' s Latin translation known as the Vulgate from around the time of a.d. 400 renders apostasia with the " word discessio, meaning ' departure.' " [6] Why was the King James Version the first to depart from the established translation of " departure" ?"

    ALSO NOTE: if Paul meant to refer to a "falling way"/"rebellion" in 2 Thess 2:3, it is exceptionally strange that he used a word as ambiguous as apostasia, whose verb elsewhere means to leave (Acts 12:10; Luke 4:13), rather than the two more exact words for falling away/rebellion: antilogia (Jude 1:11) and parapikrasmō (Hebrews 3:8 and 3:11).

    2 Thessalonians 2:3 actually ends up being not only strong proof for a pre-trib rapture, but even exact proof of its timing and placement.

    Just my two cents.

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  6. I completely disagree but respect your TEOLOGY.

    Take a glance to this video
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Le9BvB5LaGo

    and there are many other videos as this one
    then please let me know if you still believe in PRE Tribulation

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  7. Also, please take a note at this one:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faOlwhjEw7s

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  8. Unfortunately, I don't have quite enough time to watch those (that's like 4+ hours of material). If you had a couple of the key points I'd be glad to consider.

    Here is another good handling of apostasia, and in context, strong evidence that Paul is describing a pre-tribulational rapture in 2 Thessalonians 2.

    https://professorjt2012.wordpress.com/2015/07/30/the-apostasia/

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  9. PRE-Tribulation View:
    1. Pre-Trebulationist are Dispensationalist
    2. Pre Tri believes that the Second Coming is split into two phases:
    . The Rapture of the "Church"
    . The Second Coming with the "Church"


    *** MID Trib View ***
    - The "Church" is rapture at the half-way point (3 1/2 yrs mark) of the Tribulation

    Primary Supporting Verse:

    1 Thessalonians 5:
    9 For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.

    *** PRE Wrath View ***
    Church is raptured sometimes after the Antichrist comes to power when he defiles the Temple, and before Yehovah pours out His wrath on mankind.
    Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21 are used as evidence of the timee being cut short for believers.

    *** POST Trib View ***
    - The rapture and the Second Coming are the same event, and they happen after key signs in the heavens are released.

    - Believers will go through all of the Tribulation, but will be spared the final wrath of God during Armagedon.

    Primary Supporting Verse:
    Matthew 24:29-31
    29 “Immediately after the distress of those days

    “‘the sun will be darkened,
    and the moon will not give its light;
    the stars will fall from the sky,
    and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’[a]

    30 “Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth[b] will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.[c] 31 And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

    Scriptures Supporting Pre-Trib

    Revelation 3:10

    10 Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth.

    Picking and Choosing?
    The Message to the next church was ...
    Revelation 3:15

    15 I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other!

    16 So, because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to spit you out of my mouth.

    17 You say, ‘I am rich; I have acquired wealth and do not need a thing.’ But you do not realize that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind and naked.

    Or the Smyrna Church ?
    Revelation 2:8-10

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  10. 8 “To the angel of the church in Smyrna write:

    These are the words of him who is the First and the Last, who died and came to life again. 9 I know your afflictions and your poverty—yet you are rich! I know about the slander of those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan. 10 Do not be afraid of what you are about to suffer. I tell you, the devil will put some of you in prison to test you, and you will SUFFER PERSECUTION for ten days. Be faithful, even to the point of death, and I will give you life as your victor’s crown.
    11 Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit says to the churches. The one who is victorious will not be hurt at all by the second death.

    Note: There are seven churches not just "ONE"

    But what is the definitin for the word "KEEP" accourding to the Bible?

    "KEEP" (Tereo) Strong 5083

    "I will Keep you from the hour of temtation

    Defenition:
    g5083 - a watch, to guard (from loss or injure, properly, by keeping the eye upon, to attend to carefully, take care of, to guard metaph, to keep one in the state in which he is, to observe, to reserve: to undergo something.

    What is the defenition for "FROM" (Eks) Strong 1537
    Defenition: By, out of, with, from, at, on, against, etc.

    Usage in the Scriptures:
    Is it "AT"?

    Matthew 22:44

    44 “‘The Lord said to my Lord: "Sit AT my right hand until I put your enemies under your feet.”’

    Or Is it "ON"
    Matthew 20:21

    21 “What is it you want?” he asked.
    She said, “Grant that one of these two sons of mine may sit ON your right and the other ON your left in your kingdom.”

    Or Is it "FOR"
    Matthew 20:2

    2 He agreed to pay them a denarius "FOR" the day and sent them into his vineyard.

    Or Is it "FROM"
    Matthew 21:26

    26 But if we say, ‘"FROM" men we are afraid of the people, for they all hold that John was a prophet.”

    NOW lets have a CLOSER look !
    Revelation 3:10


    10 Revelation 3:

    10 Because you have kept my word of patient endurance, I also will keep (Guard, watch over, protect) you from (on, with, of, at) the hour of trial which is coming on the whole world, to try those who dwell upon the earth.

    Examples of Tribulation Precedent:
    Noah, Joseph, Moses and Israelites, Naomi, David,
    Jeremiah (the weeping prophet), Yehshua (Jesus)
    and all the Disciples.

    Definition of Tribulation according to Strong 2346 and 2347 "Thlibo - Thlipsis
    1. To press (as grapes), press hard upon
    2. A compressed way
    3. Narrow atraitened, contracted

    Narrow is the "WAY"

    Matthew 7:14

    14 For the small is the gate and NARROW is the road that leads to life, and those who find it are few.

    Now lets replace the correct defenition:

    Matthew 7:14

    14 For the small is the gate and "Thlibo" is the road that leads to life, and those who find it are few.

    14 For the small is the gate and "TRIBULATION" is the road that leads to life, and those who find it are few.

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  11. *** Endure Temptation ***
    1 Corinthians 10:13

    13 No temptation has overtaken you that is not common to man. God is faithful, and HE will not let you be tempted beyond your strength, but with the temptation will also provide the way of escape, that you may be able to endure it.

    James 1:12

    12 Blessed is the man who endures trial, for when he has stood the test he will receive the crown of life which God has promised to those who love Him.

    *** Tribulation has a Purpose ***
    Romans 12:
    12 Rejoice in your hope, be patient in tribulation, be constant in prayer.

    John 16:33
    I have said this to you, that in me you may have peace. In the world you have tribulation; but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world.”

    Psalm 34:19
    Many are the afflictions of the righteous;
    but the Lord delivers him through them all.

    Psalm 66:10-12
    For you, O God, have tested us;
    you have tried us as silver is tried.
    11 You did bring us into the net;
    You did lay affliction on our loins;
    12 You did let men ride over our heads;
    we went through fire and through water;
    yet you have brought us forth to a spacious place.[a]


    Deuteronomy 8:2-5

    2 And you shall remember all the way which the Lord your God has led you these forty years in the wilderness, that he might humble you, testing you to know what was in your heart, whether you would keep his commandments, or not. 3 And he humbled you and let you hunger and fed you with manna, which you did not know, nor did your fathers know; that he might make you know that man does not live by bread alone, but that man lives by everything that proceeds out of the mouth of the Lord. 4 Your clothing did not wear out upon you, and your foot did not swell, these forty years. 5 Know then in your heart that, as a man disciplines his son, the Lord your God disciplines you.

    Matthew 5:11
    “Blessed are you when men revile you and persecute you and utter all kinds of evil against you falsely on my account.

    2 Timothy 3:12
    Indeed all who desire to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted,

    1 Peter 4:16-18
    16 yet if one suffers as a Christian, let him not be ashamed, but under that name let him glorify God. 17 For the time has come for judgment to begin with the household of God; and if it begins with us, what will be the end of those who do not obey the gospel of God? 18 And “If the righteous man is scarcely saved, where will the impious and sinner appear?”

    *** Tribulation is for PATIENCE ***

    James 1:2-3
    2 Count it all joy, my brethren, when you meet various trials, 3 for you know that the testing of your faith produces PATIENCE.

    Revelation 3:10

    10 Because you have kept my word of my PATIENCE endurance, I will keep you from the hour of trial which is coming on the whole world, to try those who dwell upon the earth.

    *** What was HIS "PATIENCE" ?

    Matthew 26:40Revised Standard Version (RSV)

    Matthew 26:40-41Revised Standard Version (RSV)

    40 And He came to the disciples and found them sleeping; and He said to Peter, “So, could you not watch with me "ONE HOUR"? 41 Watch and pray that you may not enter into TEMPTATION; the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.”

    *** Scriptures Supporting "PRE-TRIB" ***
    Because some scruptures say that "no man knows the day or the hour" and others scriptures tellus that the messiah will come 1260 days after the Antichrist defiles the Temple,there must be two different events.

    ! There is NO Contradiction !

    Matthew 24:36-38
    36 “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son,[a] but the Father only. 37 As were the days of Noah, so will be the coming of the Son of man. 38 For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark,

    ! Thief in the Night !

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  12. 1 Thessalonians 5:1-5
    5 But as to the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need to have anything written to you. 2 For you yourselves know well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. 3 When people say, “There is peace and security,” then sudden destruction will come upon them as travail comes upon a woman with child, and there will be no escape. 4 But you are not in darkness, brethren, for that day to surprise you like a thief. 5 For you are all sons of light and sons of the day; we are not of the night or of darkness.

    Genesis 1:14
    14 And God said, “Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to separate the day from the night; and let them be for signs and for seasons and for days and years,

    SEASON (MOED)
    appointed (sign, time), (place of, solemn) assembly, congregation, (set, solemn) feast, (appointed, due) season, solemn (-ity), synagogue, (set) time (appointed).

    ! Thief for WHOM ! ?
    Revelation 3:3
    3 Remember then what you received and heard; keep that, and repent. If you will not awake, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at day or what hour I will come upon you.

    ! Which "Season" ! ?
    So, if "season is "specifically a festival and appointed time," then during which "Festival season" is HE coming?

    ***Rabbi Eliezer***
    Four Historical Freedoms of Yom Teruah:
    1. Divinely decreed that the long barren Sarah, Rachel and Chana would bear children.
    2. Yosef was released from prison.
    3. Israelites in Egypt were released fromt their work as slaves.
    4. The final redemption of our people will take place.

    *** The Talmud ***
    The resurrection of the dead will take place on Rosh HaShannah (Rosh HaShannah 166).

    Yom Teruah can be interpreted to mean "The Day of the Awakening Shout"

    *** Yom Teruah ***
    The Feast of Trumpets is the ONLY Feast that cannot be calculated by a numerical day beacuase it is the only feast that starts on a new moon, which must be seen to be declared.
    It is the Feast that is referred to in ancient Judaism as "The hidden Feast"

    *** At what Sound ? ***


    1 Thessalonians 4:16
    16 For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the archangel’s call, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first;

    Back to Mattews 24:29
    29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken;
    ...
    33 So also, when you see all these things, you know that he is near, at the very gates

    *** Parable of the Ten Virgins ***

    Matthew 25
    25 “Then the kingdom of heaven shall be compared to ten maidens who took their lamps and went to meet the bridegroom.[a] 2 Five of them were foolish, and five were wise. 3 For when the foolish took their lamps, they took no oil with them; 4 but the wise took flasks of oil with their lamps. 5 As the bridegroom was delayed, they all slumbered and slept. 6 But at midnight there was a cry, ‘Behold, the bridegroom! Come out to meet him.’ 7 Then all those maidens rose and trimmed their lamps. 8 And the foolish said to the wise, ‘Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out.’ 9 But the wise replied, ‘Perhaps there will not be enough for us and for you; go rather to the dealers and buy for yourselves.’ 10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the marriage feast; and the door was shut. 11 Afterward the other maidens came also, saying, ‘Lord, lord, open to us.’ 12 But he replied, ‘Truly, I say to you, I do not know you.’ 13 Watch therefore, for you know neither the day nor the hour.

    Matthew 7:23
    23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you who practice LAWLESSNESS (anomia)

    *** LAWLESSNESS *** Strong Definition

    G459 - Illegality, that is: violation of law or (generally) wickedness:- iniquity, transgress (-ion of) the "LAW OF GOD", unrighteousness.

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  13. Psalm 104:35
    Let sinners (anomia) be consumed from the earth,
    and let the wicked be no more!
    Bless the Lord, O my soul! Praise the Lord

    *** Definition of SIN ***
    1 John 3:
    4 Every one who commits sin is guilty of lawlessness; sin is lawlessness.

    James 5:
    16 Therefore confess your sins to one another, and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous man has great power in its effects.

    Back to the story of Mattews 25: ...
    5 were foolish because they didn't have enough of the Word of Yehovah (Oil/Torah/Light) to make all the way through the night.

    5 were wisse/righteous becuase they had enough of the Word of Yehovah and were keeping it.

    The 5 wise virgings "knew" their Brideroom and were ready !

    Conclusions ...
    - The virgins knew the "season" of His Coming.
    - He came in the middle of the night.
    - 5 of them walked in the light and 5 in the darkness
    - The story revolves around obedience


    *** Scriptures Supporting PRE-Trib ***

    2 Thessalonians 2:4-7
    4 who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God. 5 Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you this? 6 And you know what is restraining him now so that he may be revealed in his time. 7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only he who now restrains it will do so until "HE" is out of the way.

    "HE" is removed from the Earth?
    The text says "the restraint is taken out the way"
    -Letting the "Lawless One" come forth is not the same thing as the "Holy Spirit" being taking from the earth
    Example: Daniel 10 - Gabriel and the Prince of Persia

    We are the Temple ...

    1 Corinthians 6:19
    19 Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, which you have from God? You are not your own;

    - If there are "Saints in the Lord" in the Great Tribulation, then... The Holy Spirit is STILL HERE!


    *** Scriptures Supporting PRE-Trib ***

    1 Thessalonians 5:9
    9 For God has not destined us for wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ,

    - In both Hebrew and Greek the word "Wrath" means punishment or judgement specifically on the "Day of Judgement"

    *** The "Day" has not come ***

    2 Thessalonians 2:1-2
    2 Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our assembling to meet him, we beg you, brethren, 2 not to be quickly shaken in mind or excited, either by spirit or by word, or by letter purporting to be from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. 3 Let no one deceive you in any way; for that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness[a] is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God.

    When Does This Happens ?

    Daniel 9:27
    27 And he shall make a strong covenant with many for one week; and for half of the week he shall cause sacrifice and offering to cease; and upon the wing of abominations shall come one who makes desolate, until the decreed end is poured out on the desolator.”

    *** The #1 PRE Trib Position ***
    God deals with "Israel" differently than He deals with the "Church" of the NT, and all the passages that appear to be talking about the saints going through the Tribulation are referring to the "JEWS".

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    1. "God deals with 'Israel' differently than He deals with the 'Church' of the NT, and all the passages that appear to be talking about the saints going through the Tribulation are referring to the 'JEWS'."

      You're absolutely right, which explains why all post-trib roads lead to replacement theology if you travel down them very far. That's by far the easiest way to dispense with all the post-trib problems in one fell swoop: the Church has simply replaced Israel.

      The saddest part is that if you dare say what you just said too loud, you're liable to get hammered for being anti-Semitic. It's not anti-Semitic--it's God's Word.

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  14. FOR WHOM ?


    Jeremiah 31:31-33

    A New Covenant

    31 “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, 32 not like the covenant which I made with their fathers when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant which they broke, though I was their husband, says the Lord. 33 But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put my law within them, and I will write it upon their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

    ! Scattered Them Far Off !

    Ezekiel 11:16
    16 Therefore say, ‘Thus says the Lord God: Though I removed them far off among the nations, and though I scattered them among the countries, yet I have been a sanctuary to them for a while[a] in the countries where they have gone.’

    James says ...
    James 1:
    1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ,
    To the twelve tribes in the Dispersion: Greeting.

    Peter says ...
    1 Peter 1:
    1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ,
    To the exiles of the Dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,

    Romans 2:13-15
    13 For it is not the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but the doers of the law who will be justified. 14 When Gentiles who have not the law do by nature what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that what the law requires is written on their hearts, while their conscience also bears witness and their conflicting thoughts accuse or perhaps excuse them.

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  15. Jeremiah 11: 16 (Speaking of Israel) The Lord called you, “A green olive tree”, beautiful and with good fruit.” But with a noise like thunder He set fire to it, and its branches were destroyed.
    17 The Lord of All, Who planted you, has said that bad will come to you because of the sin of the people of Israel and of the people of Judah.

    *** POST TRIBULATION SCRIPTURES ***
    Matthew 13: 24 Jesus told them another picture-story. He said, “The holy nation of heaven is like a man who planted good seed in his field.
    25 During the night someone who hated him came and planted weed seed with the good seed in his field and went away. 26 When the good seed started to grow and give grain, weeds came up also.
    27 “The servants of the man who planted the seed came and said to him, ‘Sir, did you not plant good seed in your field? Why does it have weeds also?’
    28 The man who planted the seed said, ‘Someone who hates me has done this.’ The servants asked him, ‘Should we go and pull the weeds out from among the good grain?’
    29 He said, ‘No, because if you pull out the weeds, the good grain will come up also. 30 Let them grow together until the time to gather the grain. Then I will say to the workmen, “Gather the weeds first and put them together to be burned. Then gather the good grain into my building.”’”

    Matthew 24: People who say they are Christ and false preachers will come. They will do special things for people to see. They will do great things, so that if it can be done, God’s people will be fooled to believe something wrong.
    25 Listen! I have told you before it come.
    26 If they tell you, ‘See! He is in the desert,’ do not go to see. Or if they say, ‘See! He is in the inside room,’ do not believe them.
    27 The Son of Man will come as fast as lightning shines across the sky from east to west.
    28 Birds gather wherever there is a dead body.
    29 “As soon as those days of trouble and pain and sorrow are over, the sun will get dark. The moon will not give light. The stars will fall from the sky. The powers in the heavens will be shaken.
    1 Thessalonians 4: 15 We tell you this as it came from the Lord. Those of us who are alive when the Lord comes again will not go ahead of those who have died. 16 For the Lord Himself will come down from heaven with a loud call. The head angel will speak with a loud voice. God’s horn will give its sounds. First, those who belong to Christ will come out of their graves to meet the Lord. 17 Then, those of us who are still living here on earth will be gathered together with them in the clouds. We will meet the Lord in the sky and be with Him forever.

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  16. Well, now that the entire world knows that the JEWS in Israel are only JEWS by religion and not DNA and are Chazars also know as the synagogue of Satan in Revelations, tell me where that leaves prophecy of THE REMNANT?

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  17. the remnant are there also, in place, growing in truth, being made ready...this is tony in vt.

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