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Vexed by the Text: Women Saved Through Childbearing?



In this world of blind eyes and hard hearts, you've likely heard the cry of the cynic, “You can make the Bible say anything you want it to say.” Yes, it's true: All of God's word is contested ground. And yet there are some passages of Scripture that are more “twistable” than others, especially the deep insights found in Paul's letters (cf. 2 Pet. 3:16). For all my brothers and sisters out there who have battle scars from engaging prideful hearts with biblical truth—you know what I'm talking about. Like a toddler to a cookie jar, those bound by a legalistic spirit always seem to know where to find “the twistables.”

More often than not, the misconception and misapplication of Scripture stems from a stubborn resistance to the Holy Spirit's prompting and guidance (Acts 7:51). This is true of many gospel-denying “Christians” today as it was to gospel-denying Israelites back then. The letter kills, but the Spirit gives life (2 Cor. 3:6), and so the problem isn't intellectual deficiency—the core issue is spiritual:


And we impart this in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual truths to those who are spiritual. The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned (1 Corinthians 2:13–14, ESV).


That being said, sometimes the failure to grasp the true intent and meaning of the text of Scripture is made worse because of a poor translation. Moreover, the interpretation and application can get down-right lethal if someone isolates a bad translation by removing it from its surrounding context (just say "no!" to a bad translation in isolation).

Thankfully, we have no shortage of online tools to research the original text of Scripture, and one of the purposes of the newly published LSV is to provide modern English readers with a word-for-word translation with as little paraphrasing and personal interpretation as possible. For the text that we will be examining in this article, a more literal, word-for-word version like the LSV will help tremendously toward a coherent and faithful interpretation.


Say What, Paul?

Not to pick on this particular English version (they all have their merits!), but here is an example of a misleading translation that compounds the problem and makes this text especially “twistable”:


But women will be saved through childbearing, assuming they continue to live in faith, love, holiness, and modesty (1 Timothy 2:15, NLT).


Now imagine that you were reading this for the first time. Without any context or knowledge of the original Greek, it's easy to see how this verse could be twisted and abused by some renegade pastor, teacher, fellow Christian, or even more likely—a cult leader.

What in the world is going on here? How exactly are women saved through childbearing? Even for a believing woman, her faith is no guarantee that she will physically survive pregnancy and childbirth. And, on the surface, it sounds like Paul is saying there is a different path of salvation for women than for men. I thought the apostle Paul said elsewhere that salvation is solely by grace, a gift from God, and not earned by our own labors (pregnancy pun intended)?

Ok, breathe! Don't panic. Paul isn't contradicting himself, and salvation is most assuredly based on our faith in Christ alone (Gal 2:16; Eph. 2:8-9; Php. 3:8-9). Therefore, the knee-jerk interpretation that relies exclusively on human wisdom is unacceptable, because women are not saved based upon how many children they can produce (all right, sisters, take another deep breath and exhale in relief)!

Before we expand things a bit to study the surrounding context, let's take a look at the LSV rendering of 1 Timothy 2:15:


And she will be saved through the childbearing, if they remain in faith, and love, and sanctification, with sobriety.


Ah, now we're getting somewhere. Based on my highlights above, here are a few observations to consider:

(1) In the first clause, the Greek text does not have two separate words for both subject and verb; the singular “she” is embedded in the verb sōthēsetai (“to save”). And, contrary to many English versions, the first clause doesn't even say “women” at all—the verb is singular (see Bible Hub), and so the referent is a particular woman (which, based on the preceding verse, we know to be “Eve”).

(2) For stylistic reasons, most English versions omit the definite article preceding the noun “childbearing” (in the Greek, it's tēs teknogonias, "the childbearing"). The omission is no small matter, because the absence of the definite article in the English affects the overall meaning of the text. Consequently, Paul isn't speaking in generalities about raising children in the home—he is referring to a specific act or process of childbearing that somehow results in salvation.

(3) Lastly, there is an abrupt shift from 3rd Person Singular in the first clause to 3rd Person Plural in the second clause (i.e. from “she will be saved” to “they remain in faith”). This “violation” of the rules of grammar might be jarring to modern sensibilities, but Paul is subtly communicating the spiritual “oneness” or corporate identification of Eve, who represents all women of faith (cf. Rom. 5:12; Eph. 5:31–32; Heb. 7:9–10).

From my survey of various commentaries, the popular and prevailing interpretation of “saved through childbearing” relates in some way to a woman's role in her household. Basically, if a woman takes care of business at home and doesn't try to usurp authority at her local church, then she will be “saved.” In support of this interpretation, I've seen appeals to 1 Tim. 5:14, which contains the verbal form of the noun teknogonias, “childbearing” (a compound term in the Greek; literally teknon “child” + gennao “to beget/bring forth”); however, this line of thinking doesn't adequately resolve the conflict between “salvation by works” and “salvation through faith in Christ alone.”

Granted, we shouldn't minimize the practical outworking of our faith, i.e. the “good works” that we were created for in Christ Jesus (Eph. 2:10), because Paul certainly gets practical in this pastoral letter to Timothy. And by all means, sisters in Christ should respect the spiritual authority/headship of men in both the public assembly and at home. However, spiritual fruit and predetermined works notwithstanding, 1 Tim. 2:15 has more to do with God's promise of salvation and redemption than the domestic life of women. After all, salvation hinges upon faith alone in God's word/revelation—period.

So, if it's not a woman's role at home, what is Paul really getting at when he says, “she will be saved through the childbearing”? 

To find out, let's take a closer look at the preceding verses so that we can follow Paul's train of thought. In order to determine what the apostle means by “the childbearing” and how this relates to the complete and total salvation of all believing women, we must go to the beginning—all the way back to the first chapters of the book of Genesis.


The Gospel in Genesis: Creation, Fall, and Redemption

As fascinating as it is to learn about ancient customs and cultures, there are limitations to extra-biblical study and research. Sure, it's interesting to know how Ephesian women dressed and what they ate for lunch. However, this kind of background info doesn't help in the least when it comes to determining the intended meaning of “she will be saved through the childbearing.

Instead of rushing to the commentaries and history books to hunt for cultural clues from ancient Ephesus (cf. 1 Tim. 1:3), all one really has to do is follow the guidance of the apostle Paul. He shows us where to look and gives us a HUGE hint in 1 Timothy 2:13–14:


For Adam was formed first, then Eve, and Adam was not deceived, but the woman, having been deceived, came into transgression (LSV).


All right, so let's try to put ourselves in the mind of the author, a Hebrew of Hebrews (Php. 3:5) who knows the Hebrew Bible (Old Testament) like the back of his hand. In 1 Tim. 2:8–12 Paul provides practical instruction for men and women by showing them what godly conduct looks like at their public gatherings (cf. 1 Tim. 3:14–15). We know from the broader context of the letter that things were already getting rowdy within the assemblies at Ephesus, and many would-be teachers were mishandling God's word causing confusion, arguments, and disorder (1 Tim. 1:6–7; 6:3–5).

Since God is not the author of confusion (cf. 1 Cor. 14:33; 40), Paul aims to counter the works of the flesh by emphasizing gentleness and peace for the men (1 Tim. 2:8) and submission and self-control for the women (1 Tim. 2:9–12). Apparently, some of the wealthier women who likely held positions of influence in the community were taking the lead and seeking to be teachers in the public assembly (thereby, gaining authority over the men). Thus, to support his argument that women should not teach and hold positions of authority in the congregation, Paul appeals to Genesis—the authoritative and foundational text of Scripture. Let's trace Paul's flow of thought as he recalls particular events in the Genesis narrative chronologically:

First, in parallel to 1 Tim. 2:13a, he recalls Gen. 2:7:


And YHWH God forms the man [Adam]—dust from the ground, and breathes into his nostrils breath of life, and the man becomes a living creature (LSV).


Second, in parallel to 1 Tim. 2:13b, he recalls Gen. 2:21–23:


And YHWH God causes a deep sleep to fall on the man, and he sleeps, and He takes one of his ribs, and closes up flesh in its stead. And YHWH God builds up the rib which He has taken out of the man into a woman, and brings her to the man; and the man says, 'This at last! Bone of my bone, and flesh of my flesh!' For this is called Woman, for this has been taken from Man (LSV).


Third, in parallel to 1 Tim. 2:14a, he recalls Gen. 3:1, 4–5, where the serpent intentionally targets the woman, not Adam:


And the serpent has been cunning above every beast of the field which YHWH God has made, and he says to the woman, 'Is it true that God has said, You do not eat from every tree of the garden?'...[a]nd the serpent says to the woman, 'Dying, you do not die, for God knows that in the day of your eating of it—your eyes have been opened, and you have been as God, knowing good and evil (LSV).


Fourth, in parallel to 1 Tim. 2:14b, he recalls Gen. 3:6, 12–13:


And the woman sees that the tree [is] good for food, and that it [is] pleasant to the eyes, and the tree is desirable to make [one] wise, and she takes from its fruit and eats, and also gives [some] to her husband with her, and he eats...[a]nd the man says, 'The woman whom You placed with me—she has given to me from the tree, and I eat.' And YHWH God says to the woman, 'What [is] this you have done?' And the woman says, 'The serpent has caused me to forget, and I eat (LSV).


Essentially, the same root problem that took place in the garden of Eden was also happening at Ephesus. The women who wanted to teach and have authority over the men were repeating Eve's error and, consequently, making themselves a target for the enemy once again. Thankfully, Paul does not stop at 1 Tim. 2:14, he completes his brief OT history lesson of the Creation and the Fall with God's promise of Redemption:

Fifth, in parallel to 1 Tim. 2:15a, he recalls Gen. 3:15–16, where YHWH says to the serpent:


And I put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her Seed; He bruises your head, and you bruise His heel.' To the woman He said, 'Multiplying I multiply your sorrow and your conception; you will bear children in sorrow, and your desire [is] toward your Man [[or husband]], and He [[or he]] will rule over you (LSV).


At last! We've arrived at the biblical precedent for Paul's perplexing “childbearing” statement in 1 Timothy 2:15. In scholarly terms, this passage in Genesis is called the protoevangelium (“first gospel”), because this is the first instance in all of the Bible where we find the “good news” about the coming Messiah. Therefore, when Paul says that “she (Eve) will be saved through the childbearing”—he is summarizing the promise of Genesis 3:15–16, which reveals that salvation comes to humanity through the Seed of the woman who conquers the serpent.

While the punishment for Eve's transgression is severe—YHWH multiplies her sorrow (or pain) as she brings forth children into the world—He also provides a glimmer of hope by graciously providing a means of salvation. Through the long and arduous generations of painful labor and death, there would eventually come the Redeemer and Savior of humanity.


Until the Time When the Woman in Labor Gives Birth

So, if “the childbearing” of 1 Tim. 2:15 is a concise and creative way of restating the messianic promise of Genesis 3:15–16, then why the need for the conditional statement, “...if they remain in faith, and love, and sanctification, with self-control?”

For one, the original promise of Genesis 3:15–16 continues to unfold and expand throughout the entire Bible. The impact of these verses cannot be overstated (though some have attempted to minimize its messianic implications). Therefore, it's not merely Eve who is delivered through the childbearing—all women of faith (and men, too) will be saved by continuing to believe and live by God's revelation of the Seed of the woman.

Interestingly enough, there is an ancient interpretation of 1 Tim. 2:15 that references Christ's birth in the gospel narratives. Many modern interpreters, however, dismiss this idea for one reason or another, but it still goes to show that other believers were thinking along the same lines. In fact, the late Jack Kelley has a short but excellent pastoral response to this issue; check out Are Women Saved Through Childbearing?

Rather than limiting “the childbearing” of 1 Tim. 2:15 to a single event that occurred in the past (i.e. Christ's birth in Bethlehem), we should expand this view to cover the future sanctification and glorification of all believers through this same Child, born of a woman at the appointed time (Gal. 4:4). After all, the metaphor of “the woman in labor” is the preeminent figure of speech in the Bible that represents the transformation process of redeemed humanity into the “sons of God” (for further study, please see Brad's “Woman in Labor” in the Bible).

Yes, the process of the spiritual “childbearing” that Paul's speaks of in 1 Timothy 2:15 is ongoing and awaits complete fulfillment. While we must reckon with the tension of the already-but-not-yet, believers can take comfort that Jesus is already there (Php. 3:20–21; 1 Jn. 3:2). In a related passage, the apostle confirms this understanding of “the childbearing”:


For the creation waits with eager longing for the revealing of the sons of God. For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of him who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to corruption and obtain the freedom of the glory of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation has been groaning together in the pains of childbirth until now. And not only the creation, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for the adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies. For in this hope we were saved... (Rom. 8:19–24, ESV).


Just as in 1 Timothy 2:15, Paul mentions the ongoing “pains of childbirth” in conjunction with the hope of redemption and salvation. Greg Lauer, in his most recent gem, Signs of His Coming, explains this key passage in Romans:


Paul is saying that ever since the fall of man, all of Creation has been experiencing and continues to experience birth pains in anticipation of the day when Christ would redeem it and us from the curse of sin and death, and finally take possession of the earth and establish His kingdom with us, the children of God, at His side.


Throughout the long generations of “begetting” and seeking and waiting—finally, salvation has come through the arrival of Messiah. Ironically, Eve and all children of the promise will be saved by means of painful labor, the very punishment enacted at the Fall. It was through the pains of childbirth that Mary delivered the Serpent Crusher and Curse Breaker (Ps. 91:13; Gal. 3:13–14; Rev. 22:3). And yet, Mary herself will be delivered by the Messiah along with everyone else who puts their trust in God's word (cf. Lk. 11:27–28)

Soon, brothers and sisters, the woman will give birth to her children (Mic. 5:3; Isa. 66:7–9; Rev. 12:1–5). Soon, and very soon, the God of peace will crush the serpent underneath our feet (Rom. 16:20)! Maranatha!

Related Articles from Unsealed:

Uncovering the Mystery of the Prophetic Poem in 1 Timothy 3:16

A Closer Look at Genesis 3–4

Who is the Male Child of Revelation 12?

Major Discovery Concerning Revelation 12

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35 comments:

  1. An excellent exposition of a difficult verse.

    Here is an article that takes a look at Genesis 3:15, and how important it is in how we understand the Bible as a whole:

    https://motu836346214.wordpress.com/2020/05/10/skull-crushing-seed/

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  2. This was great to read! And, I can't help but think the man didn't get off easy either - he had to work by the sweat of his brow as he worked the cursed ground, Genesis 3:17-19 KJV

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    1. Hi Cathi! Thank you for your reply.

      Yes, we were not let off the hook. Both believing men and women can look forward to time when the curse is lifted with great joy and relief!

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  3. A great way to explain how the Bible works together part and parcel as a whole and should not be picked apart - usually, as you mentioned, to espouse a non-biblical viewpoint.
    * * * *
    I always have to remember to pray for discernment and understanding as I delve into Biblical studies.
    We can all read and know what we're reading, but the actual understanding is Spirit given.

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    1. Thank you, Jenny.

      That is good reminder for us all to pray/ask for discernment and understanding as we study the Scriptures. To your point, that is why I posted 1 Cor. 2:13-14 in this article.

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  4. Jeff~Just the other day my grown son and I were discussing the many 'difficult' verses related to women. You are SO correct when you wrote-- "More often than not, the misconception and misapplication of Scripture stems from a stubborn resistance to the Holy Spirit's prompting and guidance (Acts 7:51)."

    Most of the so-called difficult verses are so because of TRANSLATION BIAS. Several years ago the Spirit of the Lord took me to the Book of Genesis (even though I had intended to study something else) to show me God's original design for man and woman to have dominion over the earth TOGETHER. He led me into deep intercession for women in the Body of Christ and then I found out why. Due to the misunderstanding of how God views women, an abuse toward them in our own church was revealed. No need to go into detail, but I was led to delve deeper into the Scriptures related to the controversial area of women in ministry and discovered it was God's intention that BOTH men AND women were to be leaders in ministry. I was very fortunate that an excellent book on the subject had recently been published--WHY NOT WOMEN? by Loren Cunningham and David Joel Hamilton (both men by the way ;-) This was where I first learned of translation bias.

    TruthOrTradition was a website I stumbled upon in my studies which also had excellent research on this subject: https://www.truthortradition.com/?s=The+Role+Of+Women+In+The+Church+1

    Within church government it is by the SPIRIT that a believer is put in a leadership position--gender is never to be the determination (Galatians 3:28). Thank you Lord Jesus Christ--The Child who was born to save us ALL and then Who sent the HOLY SPIRIT so that men and women who allow Him to lead can work in UNITY♥

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    1. Thank you, Lyn!

      I love it when the Spirit speaks to others about the same subject! Great confirmation, thank you!

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    2. Hi Lyn - this is concerning, as the links do not just try to outline translation bias, they note that 1 Corinthians 14:34-35 should not be in the bible at all! The argument that ' a scribe happened to make a note on the side of the paper which happened to be scribed further etc' doesn't sit well. This is what those who are pro-homosexuality also say regarding the 'mistranslation of scripture' / 'should never have been included as it wasn't in the original text'. The word for 'speak' in vs 34 means 'to use words in order to declare one's mind and disclose one's thoughts', and happens to follow perfectly well regarding there being 'order' in the church. Giving prophecy is not 'disclosing ones thoughts', but the words of God, and worship is also not merely 'declaring ones minds' but giving glory to God where the focus is Him and not us. So the scriptures are not incongruous with our freedom for worship and use of the gifts in the Church. 1 Timothy 2 is also given as a witness to what Paul had previously written. Its the same reason why 99% of the men in the Church cannot take offence at the fact they God anoints one pastor or a number of Elders and not every man is part of the 'lot'. I don't get offended that the preacher never gives me an opportunity to preach, but rejoice that I get to leave the Church building feeling encourage and able to go and use the gifts that God has given me to reach the lost and bless where God has called me to bless. We ask 'why were all the disciples and apostles men', but 'deacons in the bible were both men and woman (such as Phoebe)'. This is because Gods structure of authority did not deviate from OT principles. The levitical priests were always men, but there were both prophets and prophetesses, there were only anointed Kings to rule, but anointed queens (such as Esther) to be part of Gods plan of redemption. And it all stems back, as Paul said, to the fact that Eve was the one who originally sinned, however it was through Eve that humanity was born. Instead of us finding ways to be offended at it and finding ways to prove it false, shouldn't we be rejoicing that in Gods spiritual kingdom, we are equally children of God, saved by His unmerited grace and partakers of Christ's coming kingdom?? We also need to take lessons from Paul who greeted his 'fellow coworkers Priscilla and Aquila' who both risked their lives for the sake of the Gospel, something we are seeing in Iran where the woman are leading the evangelism. Just grateful that when we get to Heaven, we won't be needing to discuss/debate these matters, as it will all be about Yeshua!!

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  5. I like the last sentence....Soon, brothers and sisters, the woman will give birth to her children (Mic. 5:3; Isa. 66:7–9; Rev. 12:1–5). Soon, and very soon, the God of peace will crush the serpent underneath our feet (Rom. 16:20)! Maranatha!

    www.itwasaplan.com - it was a plan dot com

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  6. Excellent commentary on this verse. I always love seeing how scripture explains scripture and how artfully God wove his Word together. Thank you!

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  7. Flippin awesome Jeff! A really great read. Ryan

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  8. You will never understand the book of revelation unless you learn to tie it into all the rest of God's book, because as Peter has said; "no prophecy of scripture is for private interpretation"; you can't take just one, and hang on it.

    There appeared a great wonder (sign/symbol) in heaven.
    Literally a great sign or symbol. It's a symbol - A woman clothed with the sun.
    I've heard that the male child in Revelation 12 represents the Church in union with Christ and therefore Revelation 12:5 portrays the pre-tribulational rapture of the Church.

    This woman is a symbol in heaven. And it's a symbol of something that's on earth. It is the symbol of the restored nation Israel. During tribulation days, she being with child, cried travailing in birth and pained to be delivered.

    Symbols don't have kids. The woman is a symbol of a group of people - God's people Israel, that are going to have a place prepared for them in the wilderness, prophesied by multitudinous voices in the Old Testament, who will be persecuted by Satan, in that last half of the tribulation, after he is limited to this earth.
    They are already in travail, they are in great tribulation. They don't bring forth a literal man child. They bring forth a people out of themselves. Someone lesser, as a child is less than the woman, and smaller, but it's a symbol of people.
    There appeared another symbol in heaven, a great red Dragon, with seven heads, and ten horns with seven crowns upon his heads. That again is a symbol - Satan doesn't look like that. The locusts and the angels at the river Euphrates, and their horseman army are not symbols, they are literal angels and demons.
    This red Dragon is a symbol, as the woman is a symbol. His tail drew a third part of the stars of heaven and did cast them to the earth, and the Dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born. And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron.

    And her child was caught up unto God and his throne. And the Dragon was not able to touch the child. So, when Michael threw him out of the Heavenly's, there was no child for him to persecute.
    Rev.12:13 - when the dragon was cast out unto the earth, he persecuted the WOMAN, which brought froth the man child, and to the WOMAN were given two wings of a great eagle, and she went three and a half years, to hide in the wilderness. A remnant remains in Jerusalem and he will persecute them there.
    Those 144,000 Jews represent those saints in Daniel, that are delivered, whose names are written, in a book that God keeps, and He'll seal them, 12,000 from each tribe.
    (Now, the Old Testament saints that are going to rule for ever and ever in Daniel 7:18, which include the 144,000 that are going to rule. In Rev.2:26, the Church is going to overcome and rule through the centuries with a rod of iron.)
    The martyred tribulation saints, who were beheaded for the witness of Jesus and the word of God, and which had not worshiped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. Reigned with Christ!
    Just because the phrase says that the man child is going to rule with a rod of iron, that does not make him Jesus! Jesus is the power that has been given all dominion, and God gave Him the promise cataloged in Philippians 2, that if He would obey, obedient unto death, which bought the purchase price in full for all mankind, God would give Him a name above every name, that at the name of Jesus, every knee would bow.

    Jesus is going to rule for sure, but He's going to rule through his vice regents, which includes: the twenty four elders, which includes the 144,000, which includes the martyred saints, which includes the man child. Which is the same as the 144,000.

    There is more to say about the Woman?

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    1. Thank you, Gregg.

      Affirms what Jenny said above about the need for discernment and understanding when seeking to interpret the text. Something that doesn't come naturally, but supernaturally/spiritually (Jn. 3:6).

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  9. Well done, Jeff! A pattern of study for all to follow. Thank you brother!

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  11. Sort of goes along with The Bible and rightly dividing the Word of God…
    And, has to do with the Rapture of the Church.

    Acts 1:11
    “Men of Galilee,” they said, “why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven.”

    Christ returned to heaven on ASCENSION Day - this year, coming up on Thursday the 28th.
    The Angels told us that Christ would come back for us the SAME way He left!
    (Versus the Second Coming which will be a time of War!)
    We can all make the connection…

    Could it be Christ will call His Church up on the SAME day He left?
    (Of course, the case could also be made for Pentecost and the birth of the Church…)

    I was thinking about it and my initial connection thought the term ASCENSION had to do with ASCENDING or “going up” [to heaven]. Or, in the way it’s used in reference to the monarchy as the day a king or Queen takes their throne [as did Christ]. One ASCENDS to the throne, but it’s called ACCESSION Day.

    I wanted to know the difference - biblicaly.

    I know that the term ACCESSION has the same root word and is also used legally, so I looked it up:

    Accession “ … (from Latin accedere, to go to, approach), in law, a method of acquiring property adopted from Roman law by which, in things that have a close connection with or dependence on one another, the property of the principal draws after it the property of the accessory, according to the principle, accessio cedet principali.”*

    Or, from another source:
    Accession “Coming into possession of a right or office; increase; augmentation; addition. ... Generally, accession signifies acquisition of title to Personal Property by bestowing labor on it that converts it into an entirely different thing or by incorporation of property into a union with other property.

    From Bible Hub, Strong’s: “with, together with (expresses association with)

    *From the Latin (see above): “An addition to the principle thing becomes part of it.” A maxim meaning that a subordinate thing that is attached to the main thing falls to the owner of the main thing.

    So, basically, legally, acquiring property by RIGHT after having added something of value to it by turning it into an entirely different thing!

    It so FITS what Christ has done to make us HIS CHURCH!
    And, what He’ll be doing when He calls us home!

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    1. Hi Jenny
      concerning "Christ returned to heaven on ASCENSION Day - this year, coming up on Thursday the 28th."
      How did you arrive at the 28th being ascension day?

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    2. Gregg, TimeandDate.com.
      THEY determine the 40 day count based on our observance of Easter.

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    3. Humm....strange cause Shavuot(Pentecost) is the 6th of Sivan our may 29
      And 40 days after first fruits(Resurrection) on that sunday(Easter) is may 22 is Ascension day.
      And with https://www.timeanddate.com/holidays/us/ascension-day on the 21st.

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  12. I hope Jenny, with all my heart I hope it is so! Come Jesus, we are waiting for you! Maranatha!!!

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  13. MORE LABOUR PAINS ON THE HORIZON

    PM Netanyahu said this week that annexation of the West Bank was set to go ahead as planned for July 1, 2020. Now moderate Arab nations have seemingly green-lited the move,

    Moderate Arab countries to green light West Bank annexation plan

    Quoting, i24news.tv,

    "Despite Muslim countries expressing staunch opposition to Israel’s West Bank annexation plan, behind the scenes, leaders of moderate Arab nations are signalling their approval of the Israeli move, Hebrew-language daily Israel Hayom reported on Wednesday.

    Leaders that have met in the last few months with Senior Advisor to the US president Jared Kushner and Special Representative for International Negotiations Avi Berkowitz have granted the two the green light to advance the annexation program."


    Time to push anyone?

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  14. Four-star General Sir Richard Barrons, 61, was one of six British Armed Forces chiefs of staff until his retirement in 2016. Throughout his long career, he has commanded operations in Bosnia, Kosovo, Northern Ireland, Iraq. and Afghanistan. Barrons is considered one of the most important leaders of military thought in his country.

    ***

    He considers… "the combination of sniper rifles, cyber attacks and social media, is much more dangerous."

    For this, they will need a very strong excuse as now with covid 19 and quarantine to justify blocking the internet. They will probably refer to a global electricity problem due to the attack of a more advanced computer virus than stuxnet or sauron, or Fepmis. Or more likely another electromagnetic war to bring down all 4 and 5G networks. And it does not necessarily have to come from the confrontation of the blocs, but from the electromagnetic electronic terrorism of ISIS delivered by us we know by whom. And maybe through an electronic sweep of laser satellites such as THORN successfully tested for the first time in Taijin China and in the burning of thousands of hectares of forest in Spain, Portugal and California.

    The post office, telegraphs and government booths will be full of queues such as rations and banks. The fall of electronic and telephone networks will set the government in motion for secure public lines in the Post Office and mobile phone companies in autonomous military trucks and from telephone companies for this purpose. Letters in the mailbox as in the past will again be the means of communication during electronic quarantine.

    These are measures which, since all the countries of the world already have a very complete military and armament structure, and no doubt those of the NOM want war at all costs, since they have organized for biological warfare and then cyber warfare or war. electronic, given that destruction with modern weapons would be apocalyptic, and the shadow government cannot fail to generate them for its interests of power and control.

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    1. The first rehearsal of restriction of liberties with covid 19 provided the New World Government with practical knowledge about the degree of resistance in the streets and on social media.

      The second will be a test of lack of communication, alienation and isolation: it will be forbidden to meet (something that has already been implemented with Covid 19 and the ridiculous phases of dubious success, when we will be closed again in the fall). Achieving the cessation of communications by a power outage and blocking social networks with the launch of phase 1 of a communications monitoring program, blocking and deleting groups, and a list of a thousand forbidden words. All communications will be censored as walking the street. Something we used to imagine science fiction, now we live and we will live as a daily reality.

      If with the covid quarantine 19 we noticed the stress that these measures cause people, imagine if it adds to a new quarantine in the fall, the cessation of social networks. Many people who are not used today to exchanging conversations other than on networks, and who no longer have them, will enter a ZOMBIE PHASE stress that they will perform with 5G and fumigant aerosols to inhibit the TOM 1 protein.

      One of the phenomena that has occurred most with forced imprisonment in the home is irascibility not only in every family and home, but also in social networks that have measured dissatisfaction. The reduction of electronic communications will have devastating effects, because we have gone through social networks and whats up, from the collective effect of information and behavior, to an isolation that we will see, individually and without knowing what to do, more than the government's instructions in electronic warfare. Only the toxic preparatory televisions of NOM will work. At this stage, the start of microchip marking may be imposed by mandatory vaccines (nanochips and smartwines), or directly chip, and hospitalization in zombie camps. It must release fumigants so that this has the desired effect on the insular cerebral cortex and the cortex in the previous chapter with inhibitors of the TOM 1 protein associated in small amounts with the origin of Alzheimer's.

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  15. 1 Timothy 2:13-15 (KJV) For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
    And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
    Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

    Clearer if u just go KJV only. Stop reading modern versions. They are perverted versions

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  16. Yes Adam was deceived along with Eve, he was standing right along side her.
    You could probably just strike 1 tim 2:15 out of your bible cause that same prejudice of women then is still alive today. Unless you lived in that culture of the day maybe you would better understand that comment. I would take some whiteout and cover it up!
    Jesus always held in high regard and defended women when He encountered them.

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    1. And I would add that that comment in 1 tim 2:15 is an arrogant prideful and demeaning comment and that sort of thinking is still very alive today!

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    2. 1 Corinthians 15:5 Ah......correction, the women were first at the Tomb and actually saw Him first!

      And the angel answered and said to the women, "Do not be afraid; for I know that you are looking for Jesus who had been crucified.
      "He is not here, for He has risen, just as He said. Come, see the place where He was lying.
      "And go quickly and tell His disciples that He has risen from the dead; and behold, He is going before you into Galilee, there you will see Him; behold, I have told you."

      And they departed quickly from the tomb with fear and great joy and ran to report it to His disciples.

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  17. Or.... the verse means exactly what it says and not this wall of text to make the verse mean something it doesn't say.

    Why are women to keep silent in the church? 1 Tim 2:11; 1 Cor 14:34
    Why are women to learn from their husbands at home and ask questions to him only? 1 Tim 2:11; 1 Cor 14:35
    Why is it a shame for women to speak in the Church? 1 Tim 2:11-12; 1 Cor 14:35

    DON'T ANSWER! Paul does that for you...

    Paul continued with the ABSOLUTE answers to these questions directly from God Himself:
    1 Tim 2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

    1 Cor 14:37 "...the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord. 38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant."

    Woman was deceived... That's it. That's why. It really is that simple. Just read the text.



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  18. Luke 2:23 (As it is written in the law of the Lord, Every male that openeth the womb shall be called holy to the Lord;)

    Why not women?

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