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Why The Revelation 12 Sign Can't Be Debunked



Here's the claim: On September 23rd a unique astronomical alignment of the Sun, Moon, constellation Virgo, constellation Leo, and planets Jupiter, Mars, Mercury, and Venus is going to fulfill this passage from the book of Revelation:

And a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars.  She was pregnant and was crying out in birth pains and the agony of giving birth.
- Revelation 12:1-2


A number of self-appointed bigwigs and "experts" have tried to debunk this Revelation 12 Sign.  They've resorted to bullying tactics and misinformation, which has caused division and real hurt in the Body of Christ.  Yet their attempts haven't been successful and here is why:

1. The author of Revelation 12:1-2 describes an actual celestial event.  He doesn't use similes.  He doesn't call it a parable.  He describes the Sun, Moon, and stars, which are real objects in space.  There is nothing in the text that states the description is not to be taken literally.  I find it telling that most of the debunkers this time around are actually Christians.  And not only that, but Christians who claim to be trusting in the truth of God's Word and who would otherwise say they use a literal hermeneutic.  Rather, it seems to me that they're being extraordinarily assumptive and changing and twisting what the Bible plainly and unmistakably says.  That can't be good.  Why don't they go all the way and say Jesus' return is just figurative, too?

2. The puzzle pieces are unmistakable.  There is no guesswork involved.  The text mentions the Sun and Moon by name, the constellation Virgo is the only constellation in the ecliptic that represents a woman, and the only stars directly above Virgo's head are the stars in Leo.  On top of that, Jupiter is the only object in the sky that can remain in Virgo's womb for the exact length of a human pregnancy and it just so happens to universally represent the chief male deity.  These facts were just as true 2,000 years ago as they are today and if you think I'm blowing smoke then head on over to handy-dandy Google and see for yourself.  Stop listening to me, Joel Richardson, Ron Matsen, Dr. Danny Faulkner, and whomever else and study this for yourself.  Download some free astronomy software and crack open your Bible and see if these things be true (Acts 17:11).

3. Some people have taken issue with the claim that Leo + Mercury, Mars, and Venus = 12 stars.  It's true that some depictions of Leo have 10 stars, some 13, and some even 15 or more, but what does that prove?  The most widely circulated depiction of Leo (by far) shows nine stars.  You'll find it in most astronomy programs and books (not just Stellarium) and in most planetariums.  Just a simple Google search will show you that a large majority of depictions have nine stars.  So perhaps you could argue that the number of stars in Leo varies if you use unorthodox depictions, but what you can't say is that Leo + Mercury, Mars, and Venus can't equal 12 stars because clearly it can and judging by the most prevalent depictions of the constellation that's exactly how many stars will be above Virgo's head on September 23rd.  Also, as someone who is closely watching the formation of this sign, I've found myself staring up at Virgo and Leo on many nights (Luke 21:28, anyone?).  Guess how many stars I consistently see in Leo?  You guessed it - nine.  Put the astronomy software away and go see for yourself.

4. This sign really is unique.  About a dozen or so supposed matches have been presented from other years, but only the 2017 alignment perfectly matches the description in Revelation 12.  A near-match in 3915 BC has been repeatedly mentioned and I find it to be pretty interesting, but it still lacks the precision of the 2017 alignment.  I carefully analyzed every proposed match here.

5. This alignment doesn't just fit the description, it fits it so precisely that once you see it for yourself with open eyes and a willing heart chills inevitably ensue.  People say that the Moon is under Virgo's feet every year, but this isn't a very accurate statement.  The Moon's path appears to wobble so much that in many years its orbit brings it very far from the woman's feet.  In 2017 the Moon is pretty much as close to her feet as it can possibly be.  The alignment of Mercury, Mars, and Venus in the woman's "crown" is also extraordinarily precise, forming an unusually straight and equidistant line in the bare area below Leo.  In other words, the crown is just about as perfect as it can possibly be.  Likewise for the "pregnancy".  Jupiter's apparent retrograde motion allows it to remain in the womb for the exact length of a human pregnancy.  Jupiter only traverses Virgo every 11 or 12 years and when it passes through her womb it usually goes straight through in as little as one and a half months.  When it does enter retrograde the planet's circular movement occurs largely outside of the womb.  This time Jupiter's path inside the womb is just about as perfect as it can possibly be and the nearly indiscernible "bump" in May-June was right at the time a real mother would begin seeing her baby kick.  Just think about all this for a minute and let it sink in.  The Comet Borisov discovery just adds further weight to the unbelievable precision of this alignment.

Interpretations vary regarding what the Great Sign portends.  Perhaps the rapture will happen in close proximity to the alignment.  Perhaps it's just a general sign telling the Church that we're getting closer, but may still have a few months or years left.  We don't know for sure.  What we do know is that the unique alignment on September 23rd precisely fits the description given in Revelation 12:1-2.  That leaves only two possibilities:

1. It's just pure unintended coincidence that the alignment perfectly fits the description.

2. This is the Great Sign of Revelation 12.

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  1. Nine is the number of stars in Leo visible to the naked eye.

    There may be more smaller stars in Leo but only nine stars are visible to the naked eye. This information is found in sites dealing with constellations.

    The crown of twelve stars could be an information to all people watching the real sky with the naked eye.

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    1. Is it not interesting that all the prophecy teaching sites are using the pretext that we are all talking about "astrology". Chuck Missler's side kick Ron Matsen did just this a few days ago.
      Prophecy in the News ran an article by Doc Marquis, where he attacks the Rev. 12 sign as "astrology" not once, but seven times.
      Then there is popular Gary Stearman and Billie Crone who debunked it all as based on "astrology".

      The critics fail to address the writings of Dan Matson and his books. The critics fail to address the "Three-Fold Witness of God" in Pastor Bob's E-book "The Season of the Rapture". It outlines the basic evidence of Scripture relative to the Great Pyramid, the Sphinx, the Mazzaroth, the Christ Angle, and so much more. Do not give the debunkers a free pass here on this trumped up excuse Rev. 12 is about astrology. The "strawman" argument will not work here with Rev.12. Request a free copy of Pastor Bob's FREE E-book "The Season of the Rapture: God's Three-Fold Witness". His email address is Evanteachr@aol.com.

      Don't fall for their lies about astrology crap.

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    2. Can anybody answer this question.The Christians who debunk the pretrib rapture will they be part of the catching away?

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    3. Of course they will. No one can earn the rapture any more than they can earn salvation. If a person has trusted Christ as their savior, they would be in the group Paul described as "we who are alive and remain" if they are still alive when the Blessed Hope arrives.

      There is also this false doctrine of only believers who are "overcomers" will be in the rapture. As though they are overcomers through their own works and not through Christ.

      There is a lot of false doctrine out there, but it isn't (necessarily) false doctrine that damns someone or leaves them behind at the rapture: it's a lack of faith in our Lord.

      Barry

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    4. I thought Ron Matsen's video was very well done, thoughtful, and lacked the arrogance that many debunkers, so as Joel Richardson, have displayed.

      I don't agree with everything Matsen said, but he raised some very good points, and frankly, as Matsen pointed out, Scott Clark has presented the entire thing as the rapture, then tags on a disclaimer that it may not be (after spending an hour on video telling us how nearly every fundamental preacher and teacher for 2000 years has incorrectly explained Pentecost and the birth of the church, yet now he alone has the answer).

      Personally, as JD Farag said, I don't know what to think of it. I can't totally dismiss it, and I'm uncertain how much I buy into it. I think all of us would do well to look at it with interest and in prayer, but understand that it's ambiguous at best, and not something we should invest in, and look at every day as having the potential for Christ's return.

      Barry

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    5. I know that if you Believe "The Gospel" you are saved:

      [1Co 15:1-4 KJV] 1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, 'how' that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

      You are at that point saved when you believe, The "how" goes into how Jesus is the Final Atonement and why.

      Do you get any rewards after this? It is up to you!

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    6. Scott Clark did an interview with K House. He said, I believe that other preachers in the past have viewed Pentecost as the conception. Please don't quote me as I was very tired when I listened and I could be confusing it up some. So go listen yourself. Me personally, I think it is a sign. America has to have an awakening, to fulfill her God given destiny. Think about how America was started. The Puritans and others came here to escape religious persecution. When the rapture does happen, enough people in America will be gone. There will be religious persecution in Europe from the antichrist. People will be running to America once again to escape it. This is part of America's destiny. A part of it. The other part - preach the gospel to all nations. What do you think?

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    7. Joel Richardson is well meaning. I do like him. But.... I agree he does not show Christ like behavior when trying to prove that this is hogwash. He really hasn't done hardly any research in the video I watched. He needs to revisit this with as much research as he puts into the middle east topics he covers. Joel if you ever read this - stop being a know it all. That is not nice.

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    8. the signs given in RE 12 are in the the great tribulation and are not for this current time period, we are not in the great tribulation so the eclipse is not a sign from RE 12

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    9. I wish more people understood this point! Revelation 12 is taking place in the MIDDLE of the tribulation! So even if it is describing a SIGN which we can see, which I do not believe it is, then it's not a sign that we can see now! That right there debunks this whole thing! It's so easy to go and debunk this entire article. Claiming that it's impossible to debunk is demonstrably false!

      TJ

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  2. If someone is going to question the number of stars in Leo then let them not forget to add the billions and billions of stars that are in the galaxies contained in Leo. So let's see, Rev12 is not valid because it fails to mention these billions of stars? These people are just blind.

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  3. Gary,

    Kick the dust off your sandals. You have gone over this several times on different articles. Time to rest in a job well done and just let the scoffers scoff. Go back to your previous focus ... just keep going over the simple, simple, Gospel.

    Just my thought.

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    1. I for one appreciate the reminders from Gary and others that the sign is unique, especially as this sign continues to come under attack.

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    2. Anon, I appreciate your thought, but here is my reasoning:

      I realize that a lot of these guys are not going to come around. I realize many are not persuadable. However, there are thousands of people who are finding out about this Sign for the first time every single day. Think about that.

      If their first exposure to the Sign is a video or article debunking it then they are prone not to take it seriously. The world and the Church need to see that this stands up to extreme scrutiny. This mission is important and we can't be dismissive of it.


      God bless,
      Gary

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    3. With each new insight and rewrite, there is introduction of new information. the horse isn't dead yet. Go Gary! Maranatha!

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    4. Ok let's say the sign is the one in Rev 12. Then where is the rest of it? The sign of the woman is only one verse. Where's the remaining portion of the sign?
      "Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on its heads. Its tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. The dragon stood in front of the woman who was about to give birth, so that it might devour her child the moment he was born. She gave birth to a son, a male child, who “will rule all the nations with an iron scepter.” And her child was snatched up to God and to his throne. The woman fled into the wilderness to a place prepared for her by God, where she might be taken care of for 1,260 days."

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    5. Planet x or Nibiru. Look it up and study it. I'll keep my opinion to myself. Time will ultimately give the right answer.

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    6. Here is the dragon:
      https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.yahoo.com/amphtml/news/spacex-launch-super-computer-space-230341797.html

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  4. Hi

    I am very enthusiastic about this Rev 12 sign.

    Now what troubles me the most is the names of the Constellations. Where do they come from? Where is it stated that Jupiter is to be an image of Christ? You have mentioned that it is called the King Planet, but is it really enough to say that it would be an image of Christ?

    I really wish to believe in this sign 100%, but there is a few conceptions of it that I find difficult to accept.

    Nevertheless, I thank you for all your work on this matter, and be sure that I follow you everyday and I am quite excited about it.

    Kind regards

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    1. Thank you for the good questions. Virgo is Latin for "virgin" or "maiden". It goes back to ancient Rome. Other names were used in Egypt, Babylon, Assyria, Israel, etc, however, the meaning of Virgo and Leo has never changed.

      Virgo represented a woman across all ancient cultures and Leo represented a lion. Some scholars even think the Sphinx was modeled on the constellation Leo.

      Regarding Jupiter, there is simply no alternative. There is no other object that can remain in the womb for the length of pregnancy. Even more - it just so happens to represent a male deity in all ancient Middle Eastern cultures.

      For further reading on the connections between Jupiter and Christ see here.

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    2. Amen, God made the heavens, and Satan has been trying to distort and manipulate it since Adam's foot was on the ground.

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  5. When the Son of Man returns will He find the bride at her job of making disciples or fighting the bridal party.

    Sadly these discussions are necessary.

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  6. But where is the dragon? If we take 12:1-2,5 literally should we not also be taking verses 12:3-4 literally? I've seen some discussions on other articles in this page but I can't seem to find anything that answers this question. Or, I haven't understood the answer I read. Can you help?

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    1. You raise a good point. Here are my thoughts:

      1. The text explicitly differentiates between verses 1-2 and 3-4. They are two different signs. As we and many others have shown, 9/23 appears to be the unique fulfillment of verses 1-2. We've looked forward and backward and it doesn't seem to appear again. For that reason I believe it stands on its own evidence. Whatever the dragon sign is, it will come at the right time. We can't really say it's currently absent because no one has been able to agree on what it is... Nibiru? Draco? Hydra?

      2. Personally, I think verses 1-2 are the only astronomical part of Revelation 12. Verse 3 switches to the story. Notice that the second sign makes no mention of the Sun or Moon, so there is nothing that qualitatively defines it as an astronomical alignment. If you read the story further you'll notice that the stars that fall from heaven are angels, so perhaps verses 3-4 are describing the real satan and his angels as they ready themselves for battle in heaven.

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    3. It may be that the sign of the Dragon will appear closer to the time of the complete fulfillment of what we can see already in the visible light spectrum. On the other hand, what is that thing that is already visible in the infrared spectrum? It can been seen in Google Sky, although they have tried to block it. On NASA Sky View the entire image can clearly be seen. Again in the infrared spectrum. It is in Virgo, and directly in front of Jupiter's path as it leaves the birth canal.

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    4. The Emmaus Group has a good take on who the dragon is. You can see it here:
      https://youtu.be/T4QVYf0k8-8?list=PLw6zj0iBNsBfE9CxgGuorDA5wJES6Ex4q&t=1733

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    5. Thanks Jeff. That image in the NASA Sky View is archive is really spooky! Don't know what to say other than that. We'll need to keep a watch on it. https://skyview.gsfc.nasa.gov/userimages/skv3965998704486.html

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    6. InformedChristians channel on YouTube insists that it describes the motion of the constellation Draco during the sign, that it will turn 1/3rd of the way around. So it's telling us the timing of something that will happen before the sign completes. (This is in line with what Jesus said in the apocalypse descriptions of Matthew 24, Mark 21, and Luke... That something would happen before the sign of the Son of Man appeared...)

      It's also possible that it describes the time after the sign completes, which would put whatever event is going to happen towards the end of the Gregorian year.

      Either way, we just have to wait and see and follow the Spirit's leading...

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    7. @ Jeff Black - there's a photo that was taken in 1983 that has been going around. The object you refer to is probably from that photo. It looks red in the IR, with a smiley face and two close-set eyes

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    8. hola soy venezolano y tengo 2 años estudiando LAS SEÑALES DEL FIN y estoy totalmente deacuerdo con sus diagnosticos e interpretaciones acerca de apocalipsis 12. la señal del dragon es nibiru 1.)porque aparece repentinamente(apoc 12. 3) 2.)porque es rojo (nibiru es rojo y desde el 15 de julio del 2017 el cielo refleja los atardeceres rojos porque se aproxima a la tierra . 3.)no apacerce en el cielo porque viene por detras del sol y su avistamiento sera entre el 22/09/17 y 25/09/17 desde la tierra cumpliendose el panorama completo de apocalipsis 12. si leen isaias 13.5 de lo profundo del espacio vienen JEHOVA y los intrumentos de su ira. segun los cietificos michio kaku,stephen hawking,mike brown,carlos muñoz ferrada(fue quiendescubrio a nibiru en 1950) y otros nibiru se hara visible este año 2017. esto dara inicio a los acontecimientos anunciados en isaias 13.9 al 13 y abrira el sexto sello del apocalipsis (apoc. 6.12)... DIOS LES BENDIGA espero que esta informacion les ayude a enterder mas esta revelacion de DIOS ...

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  7. It is said that Yeshua fulfilled around 300 prophecies when he walked the shores of Gallilee BUT, THEY DID NOT BELEIVE HIM!!!! He wept over them: 41 And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it, 42 Saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things which belong unto thy peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes. 43 For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side, 44 And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.
    Luke 19:41-44 (KJV) We should weep over these that are missing HIS 2ND VISITATION!!!

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    1. Not sure what will happen on that day, or if it's another piece to the puzzle, or a "season"sign, but today marks 52 days BEFORE the sign,...BEFORE..BEFORE, we will never have these days again. Great insight Gary and comments from readers as well, thanks all. Tryphosa~
      “I have held My peace a long time,
      I have been still and restrained Myself.
      Now I will cry like a woman in labor,
      I will pant and gasp at once. Isaiah 42:14

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    2. I'm starting to think that many in the imminence crowd use it as a cover. They don't really think Jesus can come back at any moment - they seem to think no one knows and it will probably never happen in our lifetimes. I mean the REV12SIGN is next month and they are already calling it false before we're even there.

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    3. I agree Gary, they use the term "no one knows" and then they 'stand on it' and say look, we will never know, so don't try, don't talk about, don't even think about, or dream about it, go back to sleep! It is used as an escape clause to not have to be ready!

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    4. Yes, good point. Think about this irony:

      People watching the REV12SIGN are now teaching imminency because the sign is equite literally imminent.

      People teaching the doctrine of "imminency" while mocking the sign are effectively not teaching imminency because they are expecting nothing to happen.

      Quite a reversal there.

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    5. Hi, Jason from the UK here, one of the few Brothers in Christ in these parts, very lonely. Something is definitely coming my whole life has been building up to this point. The months of the year spell my name Jason and the Greek for Jesus is Jason. My whole family have birthdays around this time of year, son August, wife September, me October and son November, spells A Son, what is born of the sign during this time. Never doubt, something this way comes

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  8. It's really interesting to me how Christian's can let an issue like this divide them. Personally I believe the alignment of these stars and planets on September 23rd do match up to the description in Revelation 12. Whether it signals the rapture of the church or something else only God knows. However, when I combine it with the Jubilees, the Aug. 21st eclipse, the feast of trumpets date, the amazing relationships 2017 has with so many of Israel's historical events, and the ever increasing conflicts between nations throughout the world today, I can't help but believe the salvation of believers in Christ is very near. In the end it really just comes down to the same thing for each person it always has...belief. You either believe the Bible and the prophecies of the Bible are literal or you don't. You believe Jesus is coming back to rule the world for 1000 years after the Tribulation or you don't. You believe that the only path to heaven is through Jesus or you don't. I've made my choice, have you made yours? Maranatha Lord Jesus.

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    1. This is the scripture the Lord gave me this morning after praying about this sign and this time (for what seems the hundredth time), asking for the Lord to protect His people from deception and reveal the truth to us all by the Holy Spirit in the name of Jesus Christ.

      (Isaiah 7:7-14)
      9The head of Ephraim is Samaria,
      and the head of Samaria is only Remaliah’s son.
      If you do not stand firm in your faith,
      you will not stand at all.’ ”

      10Again the Lord spoke to Ahaz, 11“Ask the Lord your God for a sign, whether in the deepest depths or in the highest heights.”

      12But Ahaz said, “I will not ask; I will not put the Lord to the test.”

      13Then Isaiah said, “Hear now, you house of David! Is it not enough to try the patience of humans? Will you try the patience of my God also? 14Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.

      This was a sign to the Jews at the first coming of Jesus, and it will be a sign to them as well as the world at His second coming. Have faith. God would not give all these signs, confirmations, scripture, evidences, etc. just to watch us all fall. I am praying earnestly for truth, and this is the truth the Lord REPEATEDLY shows me. Have faith brothers and sisters! HE IS COMING! Maranatha!

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    2. I've been wrestling with Isaiah 7:14 lately. I'm starting to think this applies as much to the Church as it did to Christ's birth. Matthew 1:22-23 clearly ties it to Christ's birth, but at the same time, Jesus was not called "Immanuel", but "Jesus". Perhaps "Immanuel" is a sort of figurative prophetic child: Jesus + Church.

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    3. Emmanuel means "God is with us" referring to Jesus' birth. In Rev 7 Juda (KJV) is no misspelling; the missing "h" means God is not with Judah any longer; Jesus, the "h" is in heaven. Same situation in Sarai becoming Sarah and Abram becoming Abraham after their covenant with Melchisedek, another name of Jesus.

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    4. Gary, you have struck on something that I have been screaming to myself for many years. Immanuel is the child that was conceived at Pentecost in 33 AD. Jesus is the child that was conceived in Mary. Both are conceived via the spirit of God in his chosen vessel. Jesus means God saves. Immanuel means God with us. Matthew gives us the generations 14 - 14 - 14 in the first chapter. But there is an "error" in the count. The last section actually only lists 13 generations. And then he says that this is to fulfill the immanuel prophecy - but it doesn't because they called him Jesus. We all just overlook it because it is easier to assume they are both names of Jesus - but that still doesn't explain the fact that the prophecy was wrong. But of course it is not wrong, it is speaking of the next generation to be born. The one being born according to the REV12SIGN. Immanuel will be the 14th (42nd) generation spoken of by matthew and then the prophecy will indeed be fulfilled. Notice he first says the generations from Abraham to Christ. Then after he says, now the birth of Jesus Christ... The annointed child Immanuel - the corporate sons of God are being born from the bride of Christ, who just like mary was seeded from above by the holy spirit before she was married.

      Happy birthday!

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    5. Yes, it's definitely an interesting thought. "God with us" - when the Holy Spirit (God) finally comes and lives inside us forever.

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    6. Ask for God in the depth of the Earth or in the Highest of Heights.

      He was gonna give both anyway.

      He came and was entombed for three and a half days.

      Now He will come in the Heights to redeem the Jew and Christian before Muslims in Revelation 11:7-15, but the Muslim must prostrate per Amos 8:14 and the third woe comes quickly per Revelation 11:7-15 for enemies be made footstools per Psalms 110:1 for their bodies shall be an abhorrence unto all flesh per Isaiah 66:24 for they rejoice in death better than their enemies love life.

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  9. Dank Gary, heel duidelijk.

    Carla (Claartje for Google)
    The Netherlands

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  10. Maybe why we only are seeing failed debunk attempts from people who seem to have not researched the sign, is because those who have really put in the time are connecting the dots?

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    1. That's what I don't understand. Gary Stearman and Billy Crone got so much push back that they had to take down their video. Richardson also had a lot of push back and had to follow up with another video. They were all surprised by how well-researched the 9/23 crowd is, yet KHouse just went right on through with the same talking points. Very surprising and telling.

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    2. Gary...A for profit ministry is all about $$$$$$$$$. They have their reward.
      You keep doing what you have been called by Christ to do. Your rewards are in heaven.

      The love of money is the root of all evil. (1Timothy 6:10)
      If these ministries inspired their listeners/watchers with the truth of the Rev12 sign there might be a loss of revenue as people might turn away from the ministries and place their focus where it belongs...on Christ our Savior.
      I am not speaking from lack of knowledge...I was involved in two for profit ministries. I parted fellowship with them a little over a year ago for reasons I am not comfortable talking about.

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    3. You raise a good point, Karen. I need to pray more that their eyes (and hearts) would be opened, because as of the time I'm writing this the Great Sign is NEXT MONTH. Not a lot of time left to figure all this out.

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    4. I will join you in prayer my brother...and I ask all our brothers and sisters in Christ to do the same.

      With the Love of Jesus,
      Karen

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    5. Ok....seems like the "debunkers" all have something in common! Wait for it........Conferences!!! Check it out for yourselves! Go to the KH website, they have one scheduled for October! The lineup is interesting. Oh and the tickets are a bit pricey. But you can have lunch with Richardson for $40. Not trying to slander these guys but I am a bit concerned about who and why all the debunking.

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  11. Virgo's Child in Simple Jewish Gematria Equals 125
    Revelation 12:5

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  12. 'Virgo In The Hebrew Mazzaroth" in Full Reduction Gematria Equals 125
    Revelation 12:5

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  13. For those who wonder about where the names of the stars come from, the information was published in the works of E.W Bullinger, The Witness of the Stars and Joseph A. Seiss, The Gospel in the Stars in the late 19th century, However, both were based on and credit the extensive, deep research work of Frances Rolleston, whom I would call an antiquarian. Her life work was published in London in 1865 as the Mazzeroth, or the Constellations. She believes the names came from the antediluvian period from Enoch if not Adam himself.
    All three resources are available on the internet as a free download in pdf format. Rolleston's work particularly is fascinating considering the limited resources available in the first half of the 19th century without the internet. To my knowledge, she is otherwise unknown.

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    1. Which of those three books do you recommend as a good overview?

      If we take the Bible literally (usually a good idea), Psalm 147:4 and Isaiah 40:26 indicate that the stars really do have names. And if they have names then they have meanings.

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    2. I read Bullinger and skimmed Seiss; both tell the story of the Gospel as it explains the meanings and relationships of the 12 major constellations and the 3 decans associated with each for a total of 48 constellations. I believe perhaps they were given as mnemonic device for the 2000 years before the flood so that the story of the gospel would be remembered for the generations before the Word of God was available in written form.
      However, my personal favorite is Rolleston who did not write her research into book form. Perhaps I could appreciate the depth of her study and her comments that accompany it having read the other book first, that is, appreciating the individual trees having seen the forest first.
      Yes, the constellations have meanings and the individual stars within them have meaning as well that amplifies the story.

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  14. "Giving Birth" in Simple Jewish Gematria Equals 125
    Revelation 12:5

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  15. The Lion King in Simple Jewish Gematria Equals 118
    118 - Revelation 5.5 = 112.5
    1 x 1 = 1
    Revelation 12:5

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  16. Here's another one for you. June 7, 1967 to September 23, 2017 = 2624 weeks.

    Strong's 2624 = katakléronomeó = to assign by lots, properly: to arrive at.

    1 use in the NT (Acts 13:19) dealing with Israel taking possession of the land. Micah 5:3 tells us that the sign of the woman in labor signals a dispensational transition where God finally fulfills the covenant promises to Israel.

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    1. Here's another one "The virgin of Israel has fallen and shall no more rise" Amos 5:2

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    2. Jeremiah 3:1-25, 31:31-37, and Hosea 2:1-21 (especially Hosea 2:19-20).

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  17. Thank you for your calm voice of reason and peace. God bless you.

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    1. Thank you, Hillary. I hope I came across kind - that was my intention.

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  18. Rev 11 Rev 12 and Rev 13 all describe the last 3 1/2 year 42 month 1260 day Great Tribulation. There is not one shred of doubt God put the Rev 12:1 sign in the sky for Sept 23, 2017. The problem is interpreting this event as the start of the 7 Yr Tribulation aka "70th Week" and Rapture. How about reading scripture the way God wrote it?

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  19. I think the problem with all the debunkers is spiritual pride. Because they did not discover the sign, their spiritual conceit is blinding them. Being such "elites" and being so"scripturally intelligent", they think if God didn't reveal the sign to them first, it can't be real. But God uses the foolish things of the world to counfound "the wise". Maranatha!

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    1. The problem is not reading the Word of God and trusting what God wrote.

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    2. Or they suspect that 'this could be it', and simply want to continue the mundane material things of life that come with every day (earning money, routines, etc). Perhaps some subconsciously don't even want the Reign of Messiah!

      So they deny it.

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  20. Gary- I am grateful that you posted the Rev 12 topic again. After next month, its no longer in the future, but will be falling away in the past.

    I am extremely personally connected to this Rev 12 sign. There was a very close Venus/Jupiter conjunction back on July 1st, 2014..might be a day off...but I had just read Genedis 1:14...about the stars being for signs etc.....

    I prayed the most sincere and heart felt prayer of my life, asking God to show me a "sign" as mentioned in Genesis 1:14.

    I had never read my Bible up to that date....shame on me...

    But anyway after my tearful prayer, I found myself reading Revelation chapter 12. I had NEVER read this or had ever heard about it, but it looked to me to have something to do with the astronomy layout of the stars in heaven....I became obsessed to say the least, and have read in my Bible every day since. My life completely changed as this answer to my prayer was so profound, it shook me to my core.

    I soon had Stellarium added to my computer and there simply HAS to be something to this sign, no doubt at all.

    Gary, you stole a little bit of my thunder as I was going to comment also on how precisely this alignment is. As you mentioned, the three planets are spaced more accurately than any other I could find. The moon is close to her foot as perfect you can find, Jupiter in the womb is astonishing, and then there is that inseminating comet that my brain still hasn't processed to its capacity yet.

    Amazing sign ahead, a warning sign for trouble afterwards, in my humble opinion.

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    1. Wow, Stan! Thanks for sharing your story. I love how God started your journey into the Scriptures.

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    2. Perhaps the Perseid meteor shower that just peaked two nights ago?

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  21. It seems to me, the approach the prophecy 'Bigwigs' should be taking on all of this, is that of Gamaliel's (a Pharisee and one who represented the religious status quo of that day) when he made these remarks in the defense of Peter and the other Apostles with him, who were about to be killed for teaching a new thing.

    Acts 5:38-39 NIV
    38 Therefore, in the present case I advise you: Leave these men alone! Let them go! For if their purpose or activity is of human origin, it will fail. 39 But if it is from God, you will not be able to stop these men; you will only find yourselves fighting against God.”

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  22. This could be way out in left field, but how about this for the dragon..The church has been persecuted for 2,000 years. Now, in the Middle East Christians are being murdered, even wiped out completely in many countries. Could it be that the Dragon is at work now, trying to swallow up the whole church, and before we are all killed the rapture snatches up what is left of the church? The world system, the dragon, has always wanted to kill Christians and Jews and has so often successfully done so. We have lived in an oasis here in American for over 200 years. God sees his church as a whole, across the world, and what he sees is murder of his people in more places than not...I am just toying with that idea..

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    1. I agree, Isaiah 17 talks about Damascus being destroyed, however Ephraim lives there, those are the Christians that they are killing in Syria, it is the tribe that the 11 stars bow to in Josephs dream. Jeremiah 49:24 has a reverence in it to rev12. Like it all happens at the same time. Most of the Middle East Christians are from Jewish roots. Read all of Isaiah 17 for perspective. They are already in local tribulation.

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  23. I wish David Flynn was alive to see this, and perhaps speak about it. He would have a good row with that pompous ass Heiser.

    Everyone here should take a few minutes to learn about the Missouri Gravity Low and that 1700 mile long crack in our crust, which just happens to be the path the eclipse takes. See also the connections between Mt. Saint Helens and the Georgia Guidestones. The eclipse passes over that monument.

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    1. Also the eclipse of 2024 crossing the New Madrid Seismic Zone!

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  24. Interesting that this NASA is to start testing the sonic boom on August 21st: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4729504/NASA-set-test-supersonic-flight-Florida-coast.html#ixzz4oXvgAnzn

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    1. Check out a quote on the site:
      "All in all, they plan to achieve at least 33 sonic booms."

      33 booms?????????

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  25. One thing is for sure, it either is the Rev 12 sign or it's not.

    ;-p

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  26. Why wouldn't debunking it, or supporting it, explicitly deal with the Rev 12 text?

    For starters, verse 5. Is this not Jesus Christ? Yes, other scriptures say the same about Him.

    So, that woman gave birth to Jesus Christ. A constellation birthed a child? Yes or no, address that point explicitly, because that's a very simple point shown elsewhere in scripture: Jesus Christ was born of a woman and He will rule all nations with a scepter of iron. Why is that NOT the case now with Rev 12?

    v3 is obviously the same 7-head/10-horn beast elsewhere in Revelation and Daniel. It's pretty much a moot point to argue against the fact this is a 10 heads-of-state/7 religious authority/leaders union around the Holy Roman Empire. And, the papal office most certainly replaced 3 of 10 heads. It's also suffered a deadly wound: 1798 incarceration and still trying to recover from that. (And, precisely 1,260 years after ending up over European heads-of-state, denying believers The Word, persecuting the saints and more).

    Jesus said He saw Satan fall like lightening to earth. Fits with Rev 12:9.


    v11, believers have triumphed via the Blood of the Lamb, stated elsewhere all over scripture.

    v13, Satan has been persecuting the church ever since it was founded by Jesus Christ.

    v14-16 would be hard to debunk this is the New World, which was too far away for what was left of Satan's puppet governments in Europe to keep control of especially after losing the papal power in 1798.

    v17, Satan has been making war ever since, deceiving mainstream Christianity to the point it's largely fallen away now, to as of late destroying "the wings of the great eagle", the USA, which was indeed an instrument of global evangelization (the ONLY nation in the world to evangelize the world, no?) as well as global stability, not apostate from its root and on its way down.


    So, why isn't the context of vv 1-2 applied to the rest of the chapter? Anything elsewhere in scripture to support severing it into another context?

    Berean minds would ask, no?




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    1. Esau is also symbolized by the Eagle (Obadiah) America is named after the Edomite Serpent god Amurru; it was and still is named after the Amorites "Amorica". Ameru means Serpent evidenced by monuments such as the Temple of Kukulkan in Chichen Itza whose Serpent descends on Sept 21. The US' evangelization has been War not a witness of Jesus Christ.
      The founders of America who followed Christopher Columbus' disease laden ships, ejected from Spain at the Alhambra decree on 9 Av 1492 were Rosicrucians and Freemasons, many oath sworn servants of Satan merely pretending to be "Christian". Ex Jesus hates Nicolaitane (Nico=Conquer + Laity) Doctrine, the elevation of Clergy over Laity (Rev 2:6;15) which is exactly what the Puritans did in America.

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    2. "So, that woman gave birth to Jesus Christ. A constellation birthed a child? Yes or no, address that point explicitly, because that's a very simple point shown elsewhere in scripture: Jesus Christ was born of a woman and He will rule all nations with a scepter of iron. Why is that NOT the case now with Rev 12?"

      Because we have to treat Scripture literally unless given explicit permission otherwise (if the passage claims to be a parable, simile, metaphor, etc, or if some other passage interprets it as such).

      The symbol of the woman in labor occurs in a number of Scriptures, mostly pertaining to the final Day of the LORD (worldwide judgment), so the symbol itself means something more than just Mary and Jesus. Scripture is full of types and shadows.

      Most importantly, Revelation 12:1-2 describes the sun, moon, and stars. Mary was not clothed with the Sun, with the Moon under her feet, wearing a crown of 12 stars. Virgo is. Mary was not given for signs, but the Sun, Moon, and stars were (Genesis 1:14, Luke 21:11, 25).

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  27. (Here's my comment at the K-House video): WTWT. My opinion: "Their side, your side, and the truth?" I'm not entirely convinced by the info I've seen from Scott Clarke or Robert Breaker (I hadn't heard of Steve Cioccolanti before your video)--especially the 3 hours of darkness theory. On the other hand, Ron, I'm not entirely convinced by your info either. There were numerous issues--many relatively small, but you seemed to contradict yourself between your "Problem #4" and "Problem #7" where you say (at 31:38 mark), that these men should "acknowledge...(their) prejudice" but then you take them to task when they do just that later (from 49:13 through 50:08).

    If nothing else, heavenly signs, circumstances & world events are reminders from God for individuals (and groups of people) to turn from sin & trust in Christ! "Now on the same occasion there were some present who reported to Him about the Galileans whose blood Pilate had mixed with their sacrifices. And Jesus said to them, 'Do you suppose that these Galileans were greater sinners than all other Galileans because they suffered this fate? I tell you, no, but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish. Or do you suppose that those eighteen on whom the tower in Siloam fell and killed them were worse culprits than all the men who live in Jerusalem? I tell you, no, but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish.'"

    Thanks for taking the time to share your concerns; may we continue to be like the Bereans, seeking God and truth, draw closer to Him, point others to Him, and bring Him glory!

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  28. UNSEALED


    I think that at the least, the Rev. 12 Sign is just that… a sign, and speaks to the future War in Heaven that is spoken of in Revelation 12. At the very most, it could be the kick off of the Tribulation period. However, a lot has to happen yet before the tribulation starts!

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    1. The 7 Yr Tribulation is nowhere in Scripture; a 3 1/2 Year, 1260 Day, 42 month "Great Tribulation" is in Scripture a dozen places. Rev 12:6 the Woman flees into the wilderness; if a Rapture of the Church to Heaven occured, why would God call this a wilderness?

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  29. Gary, you have struck on something that I have been screaming to myself for many years. Immanuel is the child that was conceived at Pentecost in 33 AD. Jesus is the child that was conceived in Mary. Both are conceived via the spirit of God in his chosen vessel. Jesus means God saves. Immanuel means God with us. Matthew gives us the generations 14 - 14 - 14 in the first chapter. But there is an "error" in the count. The last section actually only lists 13 generations. And then he says that this is to fulfill the immanuel prophecy - but it doesn't because they called him Jesus. We all just overlook it because it is easier to assume they are both names of Jesus - but that still doesn't explain the fact that the prophecy was wrong. But of course it is not wrong, it is speaking of the next generation to be born. The one being born according to the REV12SIGN. Immanuel will be the 14th (42nd) generation spoken of by matthew and then the prophecy will indeed be fulfilled. Notice he first says the generations from Abraham to Christ. Then after he says, now the birth of Jesus Christ... The annointed child Immanuel - the corporate sons of God are being born from the bride of Christ, who just like mary was seeded from above by the holy spirit before she was married.

    Happy birthday!

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  30. Another comment - to those who claim that the man child is Jesus - That is no reason to disregard the sign and act like it is meaningless because it was a sign of something that happened in the past.

    If suddenly in the sky was the writing "Jesus is born!". Would we all just say, "hmm, well that is the past so it is meaningless." No - we'd celebrate that God was telling the world about the birth of his Son and then we would wonder why was he telling us now? So whomever the child is - it does not excuse those who are not seeing this sign in their heart as a message from God at this particular time in history.

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  31. All of the comments here are fantastic and I enjoy reading them, even though some of them are way over my head. Just one reminder. Even though I know everyone is trying not to, there continues to be (IMHO) a slight undercurrent of "Us vs Them" when discussing why some well known preachers (and others) don't see the sign the same way we do. Let's all remember (myself included) that this is "Us vs Satan" and not "Us vs Them".

    We are all created in the image of God (Imago Dei). Jesus came for "them" just as much as he came for me. Therefore let us be offering love and prayer for those who cannot see what seems obvious to us and to remain humble while we do so.

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    1. I couldn't agree more Unknown. "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places"
      This is not over your head. Trust Jesus as the Holy Ghost i.e. source of the New Covenant and His Word made Flesh; a Contract with no need for any Interpretation.

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  32. I felt the need to share my Bible reading for the morning.
    Malachi 4:1 “For behold, the day is coming,
    Burning like an oven,
    And all the proud, yes, all who do wickedly will be stubble.
    And the day which is coming shall burn them up,”
    Says the Lord of hosts,
    “That will leave them neither root nor branch.
    2 But to you who fear My name
    The Sun of Righteousness shall arise
    With healing in His wings;
    And you shall go out
    And grow fat like stall-fed calves.
    3 You shall trample the wicked,
    For they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet
    On the day that I do this,”
    Says the Lord of hosts.
    4 “Remember the Law of Moses, My servant,
    Which I commanded him in Horeb for all Israel,
    With the statutes and judgments.
    5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet
    Before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord.
    6 And he will turn
    The hearts of the fathers to the children,
    And the hearts of the children to their fathers,
    Lest I come and strike the earth with a curse.”

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  33. This was in my inbox this morning from the Bible Gateway C.S Lewis Daily Reading. While fiction, not scripture, I did think it was interesting his comment in The Silver Chair that "signs" as seen on the mountain will not look the way you expect them to look when in Narnia.


    But long before she had got anywhere near the edge, the voice behind her said, “Stand still. In a moment I will blow. But, first, remember, remember, remember the signs. Say them to yourself when you wake in the morning and when you lie down at night, and when you wake in the middle of the night. And whatever strange things may happen to you, let nothing turn your mind from following the signs. And secondly, I give you a warning. Here on the mountain I have spoken to you clearly: I will not often do so down in Narnia. Here on the mountain, the air is clear and your mind is clear; as you drop down into Narnia, the air will thicken. Take great care that it does not confuse your mind. And the signs which you have learned here will not look at all as you expect them to look, when you meet them there. That is why it is so important to know them by heart and pay no attention to appearances. Remember the signs and believe the signs. Nothing else matters. And now, daughter of Eve, farewell—”
    From The Silver Chair
    Compiled in A Year with Aslan

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  34. Gary- I am so thankful I stumbled upon this site of yours several weeks ago. I am getting new information from many of the comments and your inputs as well. I have been planning for over a year to drive down to southern Illinois to view the "total" eclipse as it cuts across the US....but its starting to look like I-57 will be a log jamb. I live in east central Illinois and have decided to fly down instead...hoping the small airports wont be clogged also.

    I just want to witness this first hand.

    By the way, I build curved stairways for a living, and the last stairway I am going to make is the stairway to heaven! Here is my website, and NO...I do not seek stairway projects. I turn enough away now the way it is!

    www.stansstairways.com

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  35. Intersting article about things to happen in sun, moon, stars in August http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2017/08/skywatching-guide-august-solar-eclipse-moon-perseids-science/

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  36. The Rev 12 sign has been unsealed for us, at this time, in this generation! How glorious! God hung the stars for this hour in a particular fashion and Jesus called it a great sign / wonder via John. We are simply witnesses to it literally, testifying that God is truth, and Jesus is the spirit of prophecy as declared in Revelation! We personally have not made up on our own in our imaginations (lol!!!) that this is a great wonder / sign, Jesus said Himself that it is and had John pen it...therefore, the body testifies it is truth! Who are we to scoff at or even debate what God said would be our sign during this period?... Please note it is the only sign announced, the woman and the dragon. It's not going to be repeated, only happens once, this is vital... Anyone who takes issue with the literal fulfillment of it (that we astoundingly are witnessing on earth presently) needs not to create division in the body, but rather prayerfully seek the Father in all matters. He created the sign, had it penned, and HE decided to show HIS majesty literally within the heavens and gave it to John to record the vision and sign. His faithful servants in this day and hour have diligently shown us all that this is once in a lifetime, written in the stars by God's hand (thank you for your hard work!). It doesn't get any more beautiful than this sign in the heavens to those of us doing as commanded to long for His return, or more encouraging to those in Christ living in a world being overrun with evil & darkness, that God is sovereign and on His throne. Truthfully no one is owed explanation or a debate, this is a "revealing" from Jesus... He will fulfill His promises, those who belong to Him hear His voice and follow Him and have no doubt. We have Ben LED here, to the sign and fulfillment of the prophecy. We are weeks away! Seeing with our own eyes prophecy unfold is a love gift from the Father! We also KNOW and have been taught that we have been promised that we as believers are NOT commissioned for God's wrath when he pours it out on the literal earth. Yes, we believers believe Him! It is humbling/beautiful the way the body is becoming collectively one through this sign in the heavens BEFORE we join the head, Jesus! Sweet! We believe and have oil in our lamps (shine proudly!). We are watching as commanded. The Holy Spirit indwelling us has lit our lamps, darkness has no power over us and CANNOT overtake us as a thief in the night, we ARE light. We were taught by Jesus that there would be those claiming Him that will be found exposed in truth to be lacking oil. He taught us that the time would come when we cannot give oil to others (prophecy of debates/divisions being prevalent?) and are individually accountable for having oil in our own lamp....it is wise to fill up with oil right NOW. These times are crucial, God will fulfill all of His word. Wheat and tares grow up together until the harvest. We are doing as commanded us, being watchman and encouraging one another. Some will reject this sign and every other fulfillment/sign that God has in the near future. Sadly, division & scoffing were prophesied as well. Thank you so much to all of the brave servants that have made the rev 12 sign public and able to be appreciated by all who are in Him, for it has been with a price that you have faithfully done His work, and you will be rewarded. The great rev 12 sign in the literal sky cannot be debunked, and moreover who would ever want to "debunk" what God so lovingly hung in the stars for all to see??? Keep the faith. Lovingly, your sister in Christ

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  37. The book of revelation is symbolic of what happened in AD70. It's not literal. It's fulfilled. Spoiler alert!

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    1. So you must be the Messiah then!

      Stop trying to be clever and modern.

      Either you came to garner attention, or you are ignorant of things.

      Have a look at the Temple Institute website. It's coming!

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    2. "Howbeit the Most High dwellers not in Temples made with hands" Acts 17:24 and Acts 7:48

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    3. Revelation not literal? The entire book of Revelation deals with the Great Tribulation, Gog and Magog and New Heaven, New Jerusalem. May want to rethink that.

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    4. Nope. God's Word is truth. Those who twist prophecy into some sort of allegorical mess without warrant are defiling God's Word. Unless the text itself gives you permission to interpret something symbolically, you better trust what it says.

      If you go back and look at prophecies pertaining to Jesus' first coming you will notice how they were fulfilled very literally.

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    5. So, when in Rev 1:1 our Lord TELLS US that the book is forward looking He was lying or He meant all within a few months? "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly COME TO PASS; and he sent and signified" (rev 1:1 KJV, emphasis mine)

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  38. There is no Millennial Temple because Jesus destroys it. The Temple of God is untouched by human hands and arrives after Gog and Magog when Creation is 7000 years old (Rev 3:12;Eze 40-47). The 3rd Temple will house Antichrist, Satan's Seat (Throne of Pergamon Rev 2:13) and the Abomination of Desolation. Jesus railed on Pharisees illegally sitting in Moses' Seat and said never call any man Rabbi (Mat 23:8) Why would a follower of Jesus trust Rabbis and the Temple Institute? And no I'm not after attention, just being a Watchman

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  39. Unsealed puts forth a clear simple claim. Why cannot people understand this?
    ~Tryphosa
    "Here's the claim: On September 23rd a unique astronomical alignment of the Sun, Moon, constellation Virgo, constellation Leo, and planets Jupiter, Mars, Mercury, and Venus is going to fulfill this passage from the book of Revelation:"

    And a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars. She was pregnant and was crying out in birth pains and the agony of giving birth. Revelation 12:1-2

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  40. Unsealed, Chuck Missler, Steve Ciocolanti, Joseph Farah, Daniel Matson, Louis B Vega, Mark Biltz all put out the same message. Sept 23, 2017 fills Rev 12:1 and initiates the 7 Yr Tribulation, new Dispensation for Israel and Rapture, none of which are in scripture.

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  41. One thing is for certain....we all shall soon either be looking down after September
    ..or looking up waiting for further scripture to be fulfilled first.

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  42. He replied: "Watch out that you are not deceived. For many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am he,' and, 'The time is near.' Do not follow them.
    Luke 21:8

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    1. Am I claiming to be "he" (i.e. the Messiah)? Even more - are any of these people we fellowship with who are teaching the nearness of Christ's return claiming to be the Messiah?

      No and No. You know this.

      How about the nearness question? What does the Bible say?

      Romans 13:11-12
      And do this, understanding the occasion. The hour has come for you to wake up from your slumber, for our salvation is nearer now than when we first believed. The night is nearly over; the day has drawn near. So let us lay aside the deeds of darkness and put on the armor of light.

      Revelation 1:3
      Blessed is the one who reads the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear and obey what is written in it, because the time is near.

      Revelation 22:10
      Then he told me, "Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this scroll, because the time is near.

      Picking out a single verse at the expense of everything else God has said is not how one should treat God's Word.

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  43. Hi Gary, I am curious if you have read "The Great Christ Comet" by Colin R. Nicholl? It was first published in the fall of 2015. His attention to detail about the science of comets is impressive and he consulted and received assistance in his research from numerous scientists in the field of astronomy.

    What is of interest to me, after reading your articles online, is whether you have considered his take on the constellation of Virgo. He spends time examining the placement of Virgo within the constellation. He presents 4 versions; Hipparchus, Ptolemy, Hyginus PS-Eratosthenes & Teukros. Tuekros is an a Babylonian astrologer from the time of Jesus's birth. His version of Virgo depicts her seated on a throne with her legs parallel. So at the time of Jesus' birth you have three versions with Virgo standing and one sitting on a throne. In all four versions the placement of Virgo's groin and legs are in basic agreement. Colin takes the view of Virgo sitting as the correct view (he gives an example of a Jewish version of Virgo seated on a throne from a zodiac wheel in a synagogue at Beth Alpha from the early 6th century) . The sitting of Virgo lowers her upper torso and head, and in this space you can now find stars that make up her crown, which would be considered part of her upper body in the standing versions. Colin also argues about the placement of Virgo's feet at or near Virginis star in the constellation. In the year 7-5 BC the moon ventured under this star.

    He further argues that the acknowledged maximum naked-eye visibility in ideal conditions is up to and including +6.5 magnitude. Remarkably in this region of stars, "freed up" with Virgo sitting on a throne, are exactly 12 stars of the magnitude requirement for visibility (I would list them, but many use symbols that I can't reproduce on my keyboard as I type). They roughly give the shape of a tall cone shaped crown that Colin details, through historical example, is the style of crown worn in this era (exp. Virgo depicted on the ceiling of the Esna temple in Egypt, King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon as portrayed on the damaged Tower of Babel stele, etc.)

    Colin convincingly argues that the Star of Bethlehem was a scepter star (comet) that played a key role at the time of Christ's birth. It played the lead role of Christ from conception to birth in Virgo's womb in the sky over a period of weeks for the world to see. A play in the heavens that was demonstrating a real occurrence on earth. Colin discovered that when he entered the coordinates for a comet based on what is listed for the location for the Sun and Moon in Rev. 12:1-5 in a computer astronomy program, it matched the movements of the Star of Bethlehem listed in narrative of Mathew's nativity story perfectly. The comet indeed started out in the eastern sky, moved to the western sky and then south to Bethlehem. He places the date of Christ's birth to 6 BC.

    Certainly God could use this same constellation of Virgo to portray a 2nd act nearing his return. The problem lies in whether Virgo is to be seen standing or sitting, because it determines the placement of Virgo's crown and also its style (tall cone shaped crown - more historical perhaps?).

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  44. As a follow up to what I just posted -

    Colin Nichols interview with Eric Metaxes about "The Great Christ Comet":
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mT-8O8S_Fw

    Two images referred to by Colin Nichols - Seated Virgo and Tall Cone Shaped Crown.

    1.) Image of Virgo seated on throne in Jewish Synagogue from 6th century. Virgo is on the left of image next to lion:
    https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-g_F3tH6FHt8/VehR5QdotNI/AAAAAAAAm7I/DBplUTCEoUo/w1200-h630-p-k-no-nu-Ic42/Beit_Alfa.jpg

    2.) Cone Shaped crown of Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon (7th-6th Century BC) as portrayed on tower of Babel stele:
    http://www.schoyencollection.com/media/djcatalog2/images/tower-babel-stele-ms-2063.1_f.jpg

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  45. Before any of this was being talked about a few years ago I asked Jesus to come for the Church on my Birthday if he would. My birthday is September 23
    Miss Debra

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  47. Why does everyone seem to ignore the fact that the sign described in Revelation 12 occurs after the seven seals and seven trumpet judgments? I have not even read anyone claiming those things will all occur before Sept 23 - they just never mention the seals and trumpets at all.

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    1. I think many including me believe it's possible that parts of Rev are either out of order or happening simultaneously in quick succession and that John is only calling out what he sees in the order he sees it and not the order it's happening.

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  48. Some people have said that the alignment is not a big deal and is very common. I decided to take some time to do the math. Let’s calculate some odds shall we?

    The Moon travels through all 12 signs about every 28 days. So the odds of being in Virgo is about 1/12.
    While the moon is in Virgo (about 4 days) its at the feet for only 1 day so we get odds of 1/4.
    The Sun clothing Virgo happens about 4 days out of the year so we have odds of 4/365.
    Jupiter travels through all signs once every 12 years so we have 1/12.
    Mars takes 2 years to go through all the signs and stays in Virgo for 1.5 months which is 1.5/24.
    Venus takes 8 years to go through all the signs and spends 2 months in Virgo which is 2/(12 * 8)
    Mercury takes one year to go through all the signs so we have 1/12.
    Jupiter is in retrograde about 4 months of the year so we have 4/12.
    Jupiter is in retrograde over any single sign is about 1/12.

    So simply multiplying each odd we get the following:

    1/12 * 1/4 * 4/365 * 1/12 * 1.5/24 * 2/96 * 1/12 * 4/12 * 1/12

    The odds are about 1 in a HUNDRED BILLION.

    You see folks, in fact this is a VERY RARE alignment. It’s about the CONVERGENCE of all of the signs that have been given to us including the blood moons, the eclipse, the special dates and so on.

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  49. I totally believe what I see in Stellarium, but my only issue is who will be able to actually see the alignment' it looks like the sun will be too bright.. What can we know about that? What I noticed is that at 1:00pm in Georgia the sign could be seen if the sun isn't too bright, in Jerusalem the sun will be going down the last bit of Leo and the three planets are going down so it'll be the last of the ability of anyone in Jerusalem to see it if the sun doesn't block them out... Do you think the Jews are paying attention to the alignment or is this for the church?

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    1. You can see the sign with how the magi would record the sign. Wake up at 4:30am ish, you will see Leo come up, then the sun, THEN wait till dusk when the sun goes down and you will see the woman birthing with the moon under her feet.

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  50. WHY DIDN'T YOU ALSO MENTION THE "OTHER" SIGN IN REV. 12 JUST AFTER THIS PASSAGE? HERE IS THE PASSAGE: "A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. 2 She was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth. 3 Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on its heads. 4 Its tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. The dragon stood in front of the woman who was about to give birth, so that it might devour her child the moment he was born. 5 She gave birth to a son, a male child, who “will rule all the nations with an iron scepter.”[a] And her child was snatched up to God and to his throne." THE OTHER SIGN IS THE GREAT DRAGON/WORMWOOD WHICH WE NOW KNOW IS AKA PLANET X/NIBIRU/NEMESIS/MARDUK/RED KACHINA/HERCOBULOUS -- MANY NAMES FROM OTHER CULTURES FOR THIS "GREAT DESTROYER." THE GREAT DESTROYER, OR GREAT DRAGON, IS WAITING AT THE VIRGINS FEET HOPING TO DEVOUR HER CHILD. WE HAVE THIS PLANET IN ALIGNMENT ALSO WITH THE VIRGIN/VIRGO WHO IS WAITING AT HER FEET. IT IS A REMARKABLE SIGN ALSO THAT GIVES EVEN MORE CREDIBILITY TO THE FIRST SIGN. THIS SECOND SIGN REVEALS SATAN'S DESIRE TO KILL THE CHILD AND IT WILL BE VISIBLE WITHIN A VERY SHORT TIME OF THE VIRGIN GIVING BIRTH IN THE SKIES OF THE 23RD OF THIS MONTH. THIS PLANETARY OBJECT IN OUR SOLAR SYSTEM IS GOING TO REAP HAVOC AND CHAOS, AS IT HAS BEEN DOING SINCE ITS ARRIVAL INTO OUR INNER SOLAR SYSTEM. THESE SIGNS DEPICT WAS HAPPENED ALONG TIME AGO BUT NOW THEY ARE OCCURRING IN THE SKIES ABOVE US. WE NEED TO BE WATCHING AND READY!!

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  52. All I know is our Lord is coming back to take His Bride home with Him. (me included) thank you Yeshua. And whether or not His Bride is subjected to a beat down (tribulation). I really don't care for His Grace will strengthen and sustain us, His will be done. That being said, would you allow your bride to be tortured, beaten and violated just prior to your consummation? Think about it....Come Adonai Yeshua come

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