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Billy Graham Turns 99 And Other News



William Franklin "Billy" Graham turned 99 years old today.  This Protestant evangelist is known for massive Evangelical crusades and a career that has reached perhaps more than 100 million people with the Gospel of Jesus Christ.  Along with his wife and children, the Graham family has collectively shared the Gospel with multitudes and been stalwart defenders of conservative Christian values.

The age of 99 is quite significant in the Bible being the age when God transformed Abram into Abraham and established His eternal covenant with him:

When Abram was ninety-nine years old the Lord appeared to Abram and said to him, 'I am God Almighty; walk before me, and be blameless, that I may make my covenant between me and you, and may multiply you greatly.'  Then Abram fell on his face. And God said to him, 'Behold, my covenant is with you, and you shall be the father of a multitude of nations.  No longer shall your name be called Abram, but your name shall be Abraham, for I have made you the father of a multitude of nations.  I will make you exceedingly fruitful, and I will make you into nations, and kings shall come from you.  And I will establish my covenant between me and you and your offspring after you throughout their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and to your offspring after you.  And I will give to you and to your offspring after you the land of your sojournings, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession, and I will be their God.'
- Genesis 17:1-8


I believe this is just one more small sign that we are nearing the culmination of prophetic events pertaining to Jesus' return.  The Gentiles from every nation have now heard the Gospel.  The time of the Jews is coming.  God will fulfill His eternal promises to them.

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Mohammed bin Salman (pictured left), is the current Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia and heir to the throne.  If you haven't heard, he has just led a massive crackdown in the country, arresting dozens who might oppose his rule.  News of late has reported that he intends to transition Saudi Arabia into a religious oasis and abandon hard-line Islam.  On top of that, he wants to build NEOM, the largest city in the world, a sort of modern-day Babylon, near the borders of Egypt, Jordan, and Israel.

Now news is breaking that rhetoric between his government and Iran is heating up to the point of war and both sides are doing little to calm the situation.

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The next event on my radar is the upcoming Jupiter-Venus conjunction on November 13th.  It seems to continue the celestial story of Revelation 12.  I suppose it's just a sign of things to come, but it is very interesting nonetheless and we would all do well to be especially watchful as the Fall 2017 window comes to a close.

The Great Sign of Revelation 12:1-2 (or perhaps more technically, Rev. 12:1-2a) was fulfilled on September 23rd to 24th.  Based on my understanding of the sequence of events in this chapter, the next event to be fulfilled is the rapture of the Church rather than the Sign of the Dragon.

Jupiter was "born" on either September 9th or October 13th depending on which set of stars you consider to be the boundary of Virgo's womb.  The next "sign" we might expect to see is the catching up of the male child to God's Throne and November 13th is a good candidate - at least for the male child (the Church) being joined to the Head (Christ).  I want to emphasize that I only see this as a possible sign, and like I've always said, signs and the events themselves don't necessarily happen at the same time.

In short, Venus represents Christ (Rev. 22:16) and Jupiter represents the Body of Christ (Jesus Incarnate + the Church).

We've all focused a lot on Revelation 2:26-27 as direct evidence the male child of Revelation 12:5 can be interpreted as the Church, but someone recently pointed to the very next verse:

26 To the one who is victorious and does my will to the end, I will give authority over the nations— 27 that one ‘will rule them with an iron scepter and will dash them to pieces like pottery’—just as I have received authority from my Father. 28 I will also give that one the morning star.

Jesus is the morning star (Rev. 22:16), so the ultimate promise to the Church which will inherit the rod of iron is that they would receive Christ Himself.  The Body being joined to the Head.  When does the Church receive the morning star?  At the rapture:

After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.  And so we will be with the Lord forever.
- 1 Thessalonians 4:17


The fact that the Body and Head come together shortly after Jupiter's September or October birth is quite interesting.  That's exactly what we would expect to happen if Revelation 12:5 and Revelation 2:28 played out in the heavens subsequent to the Revelation 12:1-2 fulfillment.

Furthermore, there are four other bits of evidence that add weight to the significance of this conjunction and the possibility it is portraying the male child's rapture:

1. Jupiter (the male child) leaves Virgo (the woman, Israel), around the same time Mars (war) enters Virgo.  This is the exact order of events prophesied to occur in relation to the Tribulation.  The Church is raptured and then Israel enters into a period of war and tribulation.

2. In October, after Jupiter is birthed, the planet moves from being visible in the evening sky to being visible in the morning sky.  The child transitions from a child of darkness to a child of light.  We are called "children of the light and children of the day" (1 Thess. 5:5) in the same passage of Scripture where the rapture is revealed and described.

3. Considering that Venus represents the Glorified Christ, once we are also glorified, we the Body will be joined to the Head and we will be with Christ forever.  We will never be separated from Him again.  Since we will be glorified, united with Christ, and given co-rulership with Christ, there would seem to be a transition and transfer of sorts.  For this reason, it might be better to look only to Venus after the November 13th conjunction.

For the entire Tribulation to end on Yom Kippur 2024, the Tribulation could commence no later than November 19, 2017, seven days (inclusive) after the conjunction.  This pattern fits the "days of Noah" mold where Noah and his family entered the ark seven days before judgment fell.

And guess what happens just as November 19th comes to a close and November 20th begins?  Venus has entered Libra, the Altar - the Throne Room of God.  The male child appears before God's Throne, united with the Head.

I have to be so careful here because I've learned that many are quick to jump on you, label, and accuse (falsely).  The dates here in #3 are factual in regards to the astronomical events, but I'm only speculating in regards to the timing of the Tribulation.  It is simply a nice fit that has caught my attention.

4. Lastly, WatchForTheDay has found some interesting numbers that all point to November 13th:


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  1. This announcement re: Billy Grahm is timely. I state this because Stephen Behoon (sp?)from the Israeli News Live YT channel had a rapture dream (from 2013).... so the "interesting" part of his dream was the specific event --> BG passed 'shortly before' the Harpazo. 'Perhaps' another connection or signal. Listen from the beginning to the 1:45 mark for his dream/ revelation. Will the passing of BG signal the closing of the Church Age?? Time will tell.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Uej-Memvqc

    1] US Prepares for War Against...IRAN!

    From Israeli News Live (11/7): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lW8e_TBDrNM

    2] Are We Just Too Confused to Know What Time it 'really' Is?

    22min https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTU5wW2br8Q

    3] The Moon and Stars are OFF a Month

    From Vincent Wienand: 44min https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OP5doRSDFDE


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  2. Mohammad Bin Salman:
    quick rise to power
    he is 32 and will be 33 on august 31 1985 14th of Elul
    the coat of arms of saudi arabia looks like part of the number 666 in arabic
    his nickname is Mr Everything
    a quick glance at youtube comments of videos with him, shows a lot of admiration
    his name means praiseworthy and blessing or peace
    son of King Salman

    Could this be the antichrist? Just curious if he fits the description.




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    1. Re: The picture of Mohammad Bin Salman and President Trump.

      I find it interesting Mohammad is not using/ flashing/ messaging the Ill...ti hand signal while Trump is. Perhaps Mohammad is not part of the Ill...ti and acts or is acting on his own accord (or is empowered by the chief who is leading/ using the Ill...ti). Perhaps the Ill...ti is serving the prince now...and will pay homage to him in the near future? Revelation 13:4

      Very interesting considering the very recent news:

      1] The crackdown on the elites within Saudi Arabia.
      2] The missiles launched from Yeman into Saudi Arabia.

      https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/nov/07/saudi-arabia-accuses-iran-of-supplying-missile-to-houthi-rebels-in-yemen

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    2. He's definitely on my radar now!

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    3. I have been wondering about him also. Does anyone know if he is married?

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    4. According to a quick Google search, he married a Sarah Bint so and so in 2008. Also check out this recent article with some key players

      https://www.google.com/amp/foreignpolicy.com/2017/11/07/jared-kushner-mohammed-bin-salman-and-benjamin-netanyahu-are-up-to-something/amp/

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    5. RE: Saudi Arabia N More

      Very interesting indeed. However, we are not reading the real news from the MSM...I was a sucker for posting a MSM article earlier (apologies).

      SA will team with Israel (and USA) vs. Iran (backed by Russia and China), Turkey, and others...man o man, get your *Harpazo* (see bottom) shoes on!

      1] From AMTV RE: SA Purge and Getting Ready for War w Iran

      (5min) From 11/4 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iudHwdUER6g
      (6min) From 11/4 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzCnpskuLhs
      (9min) From 11/7 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0nchztquI0

      2] Saudi Arabia is preparing for the arrival of the Dajjal - The Dark Messiah (i.e., some of the Fallen are assumed to be in Mt. Hermon, Syria)

      (12min) From 5/17 << https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBwdZR2iujw >>

      3] Harpazo

      Is it possible it will be an Event which the Lord has to "snatch up" us away from or has to "seize us by force"? Maybe it will be some mega natural disaster or connected disaster(s) coming which the Lord will snatch us up from. << http://biblehub.com/greek/726.htm >>

      From 11/8 by Watchman's Watchman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnoGQ1Kehi4

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  3. So very interesting, thank you! I too had searched Scripture to see where 99 was mentioned. I wonder if paying attention to the Methusaleh star may be beneficial, after reading Wendy Wipple's excellent write-up.

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  4. Thanks for the good update Gary. NEOM (possible candidate for Babylon), and the Iranian/Saudi war rhetoric is particularly interesting. Daniel 7/8/11 and Rev speaks of Iran (Persia/Medes) as the ram with two horns taking over the majority of the Middle East. We have been watching this unfold for the last few years (Mark Davidson has a marvellous book on this called 'the four signposts'). We will also be expecting at some point Mecca's destruction (as the harlot woman in Rev). So a very interesting time in the ME at the moment!

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    1. You're most welcome. This whole NEOM thing came out of nowhere!

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    2. Gary, it seems I recall a section in one of Joel Richardson's books a year or so ago where he spoke of a plan in the works for 4 cities to be connected to make it one MEGA city. It was to include Mecca and a high speed train which would literally make all four one. Am I nuts or do you remember that? If you don't I can go back and check his books, but I'm fairly certain he discussed it. Could this (NEOM) be the same city? If so he was pointing to it at that time as the rising of Babylon. Blessings - Sherry

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    3. Sherry - yes he did mention that in mideast beast from what I recall. NEOM is a different 'city' to what Joel originally proposed. I think it was aligning mecca and Jiddah and somewhere else, however NEOM is on the other side of SA.

      Ryan

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    4. Good hint Sherry but please allow my question: if tribulation period has started, how will anybody still ever build sth alike here on earth? When desaster increases, meteorites fall from heaven, war, hunger, pestilence and FEMA? Who's still gonna build a mega city during those conditions which are WORLDWIDE then?

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    5. I have no clue Annabel and I certainly don't think Tribulation has started yet. There are many, Chuck Missler is one I recall, who has believed literal Babylon will be rebuilt, either in the original location or an alternate one. I personally believe there are at least 3 Babylon's (figurative) right now. Rome, New York and Mecca. It has just been an interesting point to me for Missler has commented the more he studies eschatology the more convinced he becomes that a literal interpretation rather than a figurative one is what has occurred in the past and thus would most likely occur in the future. There will clearly be a period of time where there will be a false peace. I do not believe it will last nearly 3 1/2 years or be as seemingly uneventful as we've been led to believe in the past. My sense is if the city is to be built during the Trib it would have to be during a shorter period of false peace, like the Temple, and if so, how could it reach the magnitude of magnificence depicted in Revelation. This is the reason I have been on the lookout for something to "commence" and be almost complete before the Trib so it could be completed during that time. Thank you Ryan, for that memory, I'll pull that book and look at the location again and you are correct it did include Mecca and Jiddah as I recall. I really have not followed much of NEOM at all so am unaware where it lies so I'l track that down as well. I am just always very cautious to jump on the allegory bandwagon for anything in prophecy because it seems to be the easy out and we have seen LITERAL FULFILLMENTS over and over again, as minute as riding on a donkey. Babylon is Economic, Political and Religious and thus I believe New York, Rome and Mecca fit those bills nicely for allegory - just always on the lookout for the literal as well. Blessings - Sherry

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  5. Re: #4 WatchForTheDay numbers pointing to 11/13

    I noticed the 6/30/15 Venus-Jupiter conjunction was missing from DM's timeline. After doing the day count, I found it to be 867 days [to 11/13/17].

    867 is Strong's Greek is: Arrival, Departure
    http://biblehub.com/greek/867.htm

    Perhaps the Arrival of the Lord in the clouds for His Bride
    Perhaps the Arrival of the Red Dragon(s)
    Perhaps the Arrival of the AC (the revealing of anyway)
    Perhaps the Arrival of the 'Day of the Lord'

    Perhaps the Departure of the Restrainer
    Perhaps the Departure of the Church/ the Bride
    Perhaps the Departure of the Good from this earth

    So we had 726 [Harpazo] --> Last Blood Moon on 9/28/15 to 9/23/17

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    Now we have 867 [Arrival, Departure] --> 6/30/15 to 11/13/17 V/J conjunction

    BTW, the Bible only speaks to wandering stars (or luminaries) NOT planets. Jesus does not say I am "the planet Venus", rather, Jesus says I am the Bright Morning STAR. Revelation 22:16

    The following civilizations changed it to "planets". Planets (along with NASA or Not-A-Space-Agency) are a deception from the truth. Please do a little research on the word firmament, first mentioned in Genesis 1:6-8 KJV. See also Psalm 19:1 KJV which is on Werner Von Braun's (SS Nazi then NASA Director) headstone. Why is this on a Nazi's headstone? Well, because....

    The ancients called them planets because they were indeed wandering stars and then they were given the names of their gods.

    The first known use of the word ‘planet’ in English, according to the Oxford English Dictionary, was in the year 1300 in an account of the lives of Christian saints. In other languages, though, the word dates back much further. The word ‘planet’ comes from the ancient Greek ἀστήρ πλανήτης (astēr planētēs), meaning ‘wandering star’. The ancient Greeks, like the Babylonians, associated the planets with gods, often corresponding with the Babylonian pairings. Other ancient societies, like those in China and India, also connected planets with personal attributes and predictions of future events, in what would later be referred to as astrology.

    Is it possible the Red Dragon in Revelation 12:3-4 is indeed one (or all) of these wandering stars (not Nibiru or Planet-X as the science community would say) which will come crashing down to earth?

    Is it possible the wandering stars of the Bible (well, using Enoch in this theory) could be the dwelling place for a majority of the "fallen."

    See The Planets Lie: Fallen Angels Deception from the Celebrate Truth
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Seow_-UmkQU

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    1. Now that's pretty interesting. It definitely means "departure" in several verses (Strong's 867 that is).

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    2. Forgive my ignorance, are we sure that in Revelation 22:16 Jesus is referring to himself as the morning star? Also, who is the angel? Thanks in advance. Could the angel and morning star be one in the same? Maranatha

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    3. Charlie, DM had another chart in the article which has the J/V conjunction marked on it as well. http://watchfortheday.org/wpimages/wp6b2a9a77.png It may not pop in, but you'll be able to get the link anyway.

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    4. Here are a few links on the 6-30-15 V/J conjunction. This did not make it onto DM's chart because the 867 day count did not hold significance (compared to 777 for example).

      1} Throughout the month of June 2015, the two brightest planets in the night sky, Venus and Jupiter, are converging for a jaw-dropping close encounter on June 30.

      http://earthsky.org/space/dont-miss-jaw-dropping-venusjupiter-encounter

      2} 'Double star' moment for Jupiter and Venus in the night sky

      http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/30/us/feat-jupiter-venus-conjunction/index.html

      3] You Can See Venus and Jupiter Come Very Close Together Tuesday Night

      http://time.com/3941269/venus-jupiter-june-30-conjunction/

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    5. As a follow on to Genesis 1:6-8 and Psalm 19:1 above, here are four samples (of many many more):

      1] Nazi's Helped NASA Invent Rockets to HIDE the (Dome) Firmament (10min)
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOG2oY-89SQ

      2] Top 10 Reasons I (Potters Clay) Don't Trust NASA (29min)
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEE7OPKLhaM

      3] Top 10 Proofs NASA cannot leave LOW EARTH orbit (22min)
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCsocm4Yngg

      4] NASA Humiliated in short 2017 Documentary by Captain Obvious (17min)
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mzq-ptYkDAE

      Don't forget, the Alien (A-LIE-n) and Satellite (s-A-te-L-I-t-E) deceptions.

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    6. These flat earthers insult my intelligence. Absolutely ludicrous.

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    7. Stan (and assuming others),

      Satan (Lucifer) has always been about telling and selling a lie by whatever means. What is ludicrous is the NASA hoax has not been found out/ exposed earlier for what it really is:

      1] A FRAUD influenced by one Jack Parsons, a Luciferian and founder of the Jack Parsons Laboratory (aka Jet Propulsion Laboratory or JPL)

      (a) http://www.spacesafetymagazine.com/aerospace-engineering/rocketry/jack-parsons-occult-roots-jpl/
      (b) (13min) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCICm2v0Nt8
      (c) The Jack Parsons and Aleister Crowley Occult Connection - NWO https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJ_w8ZX5Tmc

      2] NASA Symbology & the Occult Agenda

      (16min) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxNk48lnA6o

      3] Unsealed (and other intune sites) have a number of articles on the coming "Alien Deception." Who has helped program and prepare the world for this coming deception? NASA & the Vatican (who controls NASA).

      4] The "Spinning Ball" flying through "space" at 66,000mph presents a physics "problem" for planes flying at 500mph to fixed points on an earth "rotating" at 1,000mph, see:

      (28min) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aehel0lBDqQ

      5] The ISS Puppet Show

      (6min) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FX1uN2AANM

      6] Obvious NASA Fakery, Bloopers, Blunders & Gaffes

      Part 1- (11min) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzAY6MeaPRo
      Part 2- (14min) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIonflXVZa8

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    8. Charlie...I totally agree about a NASA alien deception...that I expect. But the physics thrown out there trying to show the earth is flat is so ludicrous. If someone believes the earth is flat, then I am not going to waste my time trying to change their minds. But, I get a lot of chuckles watching the videos that "prove" the earth is flat. I am an airplane and helicopter pilot , and the videos out there are pure comedy.

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    9. Hello brother Stan, glad to know you are still reading and checking in from time to time. Would love to go flying with you, we soon can do it in the heaven above.

      From Think About It (11/3)- Why Would NASA Fake a Globe Earth?

      (10min) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cc4eVmPWz-k

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    10. Last comment on this topic :-)

      Documentary: Jesuits, the Globe Conspiracy, and the End Times Deception

      (37min) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WHIr-IFqAo

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    11. In response to Lawless above,

      Q: "Why are both Jesus and satan referred to as the morning star?"

      A: The first reference to the morning star as an individual is in Isaiah 14:12: “How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!” (NIV).

      The KJV and NKJV both translate “morning star” as “Lucifer, son of the morning.” It is clear from the rest of the passage that Isaiah is referring to satan’s fall from heaven (Luke 10:18). So in this case, the morning star refers to satan.

      In Revelation 22:16, Jesus unmistakably identifies Himself as the morning star. Why are both Jesus and satan described as the “morning star”?

      It is interesting to note that the concept of the “morning star” is not the only concept that is applied to both Jesus and satan. In Revelation 5:5, Jesus is referred to as the Lion of the tribe of Judah. In 1 Peter 5:8, satan is compared to a lion, seeking someone to devour. The point is this, both Jesus and Satan, to a certain extent, have similarities to lions. Jesus is similar to a lion in that He is the King, He is royal and majestic. satan is similar to a lion in that he seeks to devour other creatures. That is where the similarities between Jesus, satan, and lions end, however. Jesus and satan are like lions in very different ways.

      The idea of a “bright morning star” is a star that outshines all the others, and Jesus is the One who is called “bright.” While satan was a morning star, Jesus (as God incarnate) the Lord of the universe, is the BRIGHT and morning star.

      Jesus is the most holy and powerful “light” in all the universe. So, while both Jesus and satan could be described as “morning stars,” in no sense is this equating Jesus and satan.

      satan is a created being. His light only exists to the extent that God created it. Jesus is the light of the world (John 9:5). Only Jesus’ light is “bright” and self-existent.

      Thus, satan may be a morning star, but he is only a poor imitation of the one true bright morning star, Jesus Christ, the light of the world.

      Source: https://www.gotquestions.org/morning-star.html
      Source: https://www.compellingtruth.org/morning-star.html

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    12. Charlie and Lawless - One other point regarding The Morning Star - This comes from a teaching by Michael Heiser, author of Unseen Realm, noted Hebrew and Greek Scholar and, by his own admission, horrible eschatological scholar. The Isaiah passage you reference is a Mashal - a taunt song. It was a common literary technique of the day filled with irony. The point of the Mashal is Satan WANTED TO BE the Morning Star, he had CLAIMED TO BE the morning star, yet now he is thrown down to the earth in ridicule. This helped clear up the "confusion" a lot for me with the point being Satan is a WANNABE. Blessings - Sherry

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    13. More Speculation Charlie
      Wondering about overcomers being "given the morning star" at the rapture.
      Minutes (or hours or days how long does the war last?) later, after the conjunction of Venus and Jupiter, Satan is thrown down to earth and probably will make a big deal about his appearance at the time of the Venus Jupiter conjunction. Satan will probably at this time start calling himself the morning star. Maybe.

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    14. Dear @all please consider the PLURAL in Job 38:7 "morning starS" - so the concept behind seems very easy to me: as angels are equalled with stars so the "sonS of God" (Job 1:6) are the same angelic PLURAL. Mentioning Jesus Christ as THE (only and real!) morning star breaks down the meaning of "original" (Jesus) and "replica" (Satan). I agree with the idea that the unsaved left behind are deceived on earth by the antichrist "replica" the first horseman of Revelation 6:2 whereas the true saints are given the REAL morning star, Jesus Christ the original, the only one "Faithful and True" Revelation 19:11 I have already met many of those on Youtube who cling to deceptive lies about the rapture and tribulation period and cannot be convinced of the true gospel anymore. They will definitely believe the lies of 2 Thessalonians 2:10-12 and get lost.

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  6. For anyone interested in the developing relationship between Israel and Saudi Arabia (peace deal looming?), and the ME power plays heading to war....
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-11-07/leaked-secret-israeli-cable-confirms-israeli-saudi-coordination-lebanon

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  7. Another interesting date count is from the first blood moon in the 2014-15 tetrad, April 15,2014 to November 11. 2017 when Venus(Jesus, the head) first appears be positioned on top of Jupiter, (the body of Christ); is 1306
    Strong's G1306 is: diaugazo: I shine through, dawn
    Strong's G1307 is: diaphanés: transparent, through which light passes (Nov. 12)
    Strong's G1308 is: diapheró: to carry through, carry about, to differ, make a difference, surpass (Nov. 13)

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  8. What about REV 11?? I read all this info about REV 12 but nothing on about 11? Has this sign already been fulfilled?? Very, VERY confused.

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    1. Hey Mark, I understand why you're wondering why most people aren't looking for Rev 11, but from what I can tell, Unsealed and most of us on here understand scripture through a dispensational framework which most often leads to a pre-tribulation rapture view. Rev 12 pictures the rapture before great tribulation and that means we look for our blessed hope to come before the two witnesses hit the scene. Hope this helps.

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    2. Thanks Rob! It's weird that Rev 12 came before Rev 11.

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    3. You're welcome. I felt I needed to reply because I've wondered that same thing, and it seems to make sense chronologically especially having the witnesses in the first 1260 days and Israel fleeing into the wilderness for the last 1260 days after the abomination. The most clear evidence that The book of Revelation isnt all necessarily chronological and contains parenthetical chapters and verses is the fact that we just witnessed the exact match of the Rev 12:1-2 sign, and I believe 12:3-4 also, with 12:5 about to play out on the 12/13th, and the two witnesses are not performing their roles righ now as rev 11 clearly outlines. I can't be dogmatic about it but there is too much undeniable biblical evidence that tells of the pre trib rapture to see it any other way. I wish it were as simple as saying we could insert all of Rev 11 between Rev 12:5 and 6, but I know that isn't the case. I'm sure Gary can do a better job of explaining this than I can. What do you say Gary!? Shed some light on the rev 12 before 11 question...? Please🙏🏻

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    4. Excellent Rob...I think I read a old book about Rev in general and the author I think said the same thing. Thanks Rob for taking the time to answer my question. Till our King 👑 comes...Peace!

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    5. A book on Revelation, Wonderful Counselor, by Cynthia Sowa, long before the astronomical facts surrounding Revelation 12 came to be popular, suggests that Revelation 4 - 11 is one complete story of rapture through the tribulation because there is rapture at 4:1 and end of tribulation language at end of chapter 11, voices, earthquakes, lightnings, thunders, and hail. END OF 11, END OF TRIBULATION.

      THEN WE GET TO THE NEXT SECTION OF REVELATION - Revelation 12 to 16. Rapture of Church in 12, end of tribulation language in last 4 verses of 16. Voices, lightning, thunderings, earthquake and hail.

      Then next section - Revelation 17 & 18. No mention of rapture because this is dealing with destruction of Satan's kingdom and the rapture has nothing to do with it.

      Then next section - Revelation 19 & 20. Jesus comes back to reign for 1,000 years.

      Conveniently 7 Sections of Revelation-

      1. First section begin Revelation 1, what John saw.
      2. Second section being the Church Age, Revelation 2 & 3.
      3. Third section being Rev 4-11. Tribulation from perspective of heaven looking down.
      4. Fourth section being Rev 12-16. Tribulation from perspective of earth looking up.
      5. Fifth section being Rev. 17&18. Destruction of Satan's empire.
      6. Sixth section being Rev. 19 & 20. Lords return and reign
      7. Seventh section being Rev. 21&22. The future.

      I know Cynthia and she wrote her book over 20 years ago before the Revelation 12 sign astronomical idea was even known. She called it. Revelation 12 speaks of the rapture not the middle of the Tribulation.

      Blessings

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  9. Does the Billy Graham story now mean that this man will be finally born again at that age and become a Christian? Because he's NOT YET. He's one of 1 John 2:19 he's not saved at all, neither is most of his family (except perhaps Anne Lotz and his wife Ruth). His whole life shows a constant way of spiritual decline and apostasy into ecumenism and one world religion. This man is not saved. His son Franklin has adopted his ecumenical beliefs and teachings too.

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    3. I am rewording my previous comment, because writing it on my phone left it with some errors and lack of clarity. Annabel, may I kindly and gently caution you? You may be right, but it is a hard one to swallow and many would know Billy Graham as a Godly man who has represented Jesus correctly. Saying He is not saved may confuse some and also comes off sounding like you have insight into his heart. I believe only God knows our hearts. Obviously our fruit is a clue to our hearts. It sounds like you have seen his fruit and feel it is not good. If you know of things about him that are not good then I would think forgiveness, rebuke, and/or bringing to light are better than just accusing him of not being a christian. Reticentindignation, some of that gentle caution, I would give to you as well. I say all this, recognizing there may be folks reading this now or in the dark future that need things to be as clear as possible. I am starting to see signs that indicate the deception and confusion are going to amp up in a way that we have never imagined. I hope I have been as gracious as I have intended and am building you up.

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      While BG is certainly a pillar of Christianity and has brought many thousands to Jesus Christ (by the blood shed on the cross), it seems by his close affiliation with those in the Illumn..ti and by his own words (in his 'later' years), it gives reason to be suspicious (of his falling away, as many protestant leaders/ pastors have done in these last days!!). PrayPrayPrayPrayPray

      2013 interview with Larry King- Who is Going to Hell?
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RdNJ2c_AvE

      2013 article- Wolves in Costume: Billy Graham
      http://www.creationliberty.com/articles/graham.php

      2006 article from WND- BG's Apostasy
      http://www.wnd.com/2006/08/37410/

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    5. Annabel:
      Can you provide some links to articles/videos/books proving your claim?

      I learned long ago, never question someone's salvation status -- because one cannot know the heart of anyone but their own.

      I do know for a fact that Billy Graham was used mightily for God, to bringing several hundred (thousands) to the saving knowledge of Jesus Christ and these people were out of the lime light -- so no reason to "fake" their conversion.

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    6. None of us know who is truly saved, only God knows their hearts. However, BG stated that Jesus is not the only way to salvation, it's all over YouTube so you can just google it. He has fallen for universalism unfortunately. It is hard to believe that a man who has done so much for Christianity could have sold out at the end of his life...but he did say these words. I pray that he come to his senses before it's too late. I've often wondered was he under mind control or forced to say this or was he just a plant or a man who lost his faith. Either way it is extremely sad. God judges the sheppards under a stricter rule so I would not like to be I never his shoes if he does make it to heaven! God bless

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    7. Dear @cautious people, I just recommend to do an internet / Google / YouTube research using the key words "Billy Graham apostate" and you will get more plain literal evidence from his own sermons and teachings than I could ever give here in short. This man is not saved. That doesn't mean he didn't preach the true gospel (during his younger years) so you can indeed have true conversions as a result. But Gods word does not depend on the preacher. God used Balaam to bless Israel, same to BG. But after he more and more compromised with the Pope and the world the more he deceived the masses into Arminianist "Decisional Regeneration" which is works gospel too (Charles Finney false "free will" teaching used for altar calls and church growth in numbers). Anyway, check it out for yourself, I don't worry about my discernment before God according to 1 John 2:19 so don't worry about me please. I wouldn't make that statement if it wasn't backed by scripture. I cannot see good fruit indeed in BG's career along to Gods word. And his son Franklin is doing the same thing. Blessings to you!

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    8. I have no dog in this hunt, personally, apart form a concern for the Body & our Lord's Name. However, remember, the Sword of the Spirit can be wielded, effectively, by the unsaved. So much so, that the results of that 'work' will allow these to convince THEMSELVES they are 'saved' when they are NOT (Matt 7:22). Maranatha!

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    9. Thank you for your responses (and the homework).

      May we all work out our salvation with fear and trembling. -- Philippians 2:12-13 and May we fix our eyes on Jesus. -- Hebrews 12:1-2 and May we continue looking up -- Luke 21:28.

      The things around us can be disheartening, deceptive and distracting. The many verses in the Bible that tell us to look up or look toward Jesus are teaching us how not to be disheartened, deceived and distracted.

      Lord Jesus, I pray for these people now and later who come to this website, that they may find You and know You and accept Your saving grace. May those who have lost their way, repent and return to You. May satan be crippled in his efforts to deceive and may Your truth prevail. May your will be done. Come quickly Lord Jesus. Amen.

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  11. Well, this headline sure caught my attention! Talk about persecution front and center:
    "MAPPED: The 50 countries where you CAN'T be a Christian in 2017" http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/877057/christian-persecution-map-2017-open-doors-uk-study

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  12. Hey there everybody, I have a breaking news from Germany: Just today 11/8/17 our highest national court agreed to implement a THIRD SEX apart from male / female. It is OFFICIAL now. See the day approaching!!! MARANATHA :))

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    1. arrrgg...just as Virginia votes in its first transgender...

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    2. oh goodness, I spoke too soon...it seems Palm Springs California now has a city council that is 100% LGBT! what is going on!!!!

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  13. Gary thank you for taking the time to touch on these most pressing subjects.

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  14. Yes, I’m in dark over the BG controversy. Can someone help shed light? I would have thought he’d be born again? Jesus ate with publicans and sinners and came for those people and not the ‘righteous’. I would think is a good thing if BG also spent time with the folks. What bad fruit is known about him? I fear researching it myself as anyone can say anything online. Humbly, thanks and God bless. :)

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    1. Don't fear researching it yourself, Anon: you will find enough material from BG exposing himself (from original recordings). Blessings to you!

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    2. Remember that anyone that is not truly saved will still have the opportunity to be saved after the Rapture if they still live

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    3. Isaiah dear brother this is not the case unfortunately: read 2 Thessalonians 2:10-12 to clarify. A 2nd chance Christian wouldn't make sense in fact if judgement is still judgement. It's like the Roman Catholic "purgatory" concept that could "save" dead people from hell who have not believed in Christ before dying. So the rapture definitely SEPARATES the wise virgins from the foolish ones, both claiming to be part of the church. Once and for all.

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    4. I believe so that fence-sitters will still have the chance to get saved after the rapture. Same goes for many "cultural-only" Christians for whom the rapture will be "the wakeup call". Otherwise the countless numbers of tribulation believers the Bible mentions weren't possible. On the other hand, indeed, there will be people who are going to believe the lie and they’ll be deceived, who were actively hated the truth as the Bible says. Who are they exactly only the Lord knows. Only He knows the hearts of men.

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    5. (grammar correction: "who actively hated the truth")

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    6. Maybe "actively" isn't the best choice of word. What I wanted to emphasize is that those people really hated the truth. But again, only the Lord knows who these people are.

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  15. Interestingly, Funny...and Awesome, Little Shaul (Zeus Mossbender Channel) has produced a new Shamayim Report.

    So in addition to the upcoming J/V conjunction on 11/13/17 there will be a J/Mars conjunction on 1/6/18 in Libra or the Scales of Judgement. The wandering star Mars represents the warring angel Michael. See Revelation 12:7-10

    At the 20min mark he has a chilling word about these signals from Elohim.

    (53min) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtpKpLmAyXU

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  16. There is a website for this NEOM. DiscoverNEOM.com

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  17. I have heard Rev. Franklin Graham on Hannity's show say Jesus is the ONLY WAY to heaven. He and his charity Samaritan's Purse have built practically all the churches in South Sudan and so many other places. I see this as his fruits. He has risked his life countless times doing God's work in some very dangerous places.

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    1. Dear Archangelsk I agree the deception is VERY subtle and hard to recognize yet it isn't impossible:

      http://www.atruechurch.info/franklingraham.html

      Blessings to you! YSIC

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    2. Another link four you, check it out:http://pulpitandpen.org/2016/09/13/franklin-graham-hopes-the-roman-catholic-church-will-remain-unmovable-on-biblical-teachings/

      You always have to look whom a preacher makes friends with (James 4:4). If he compromises with the RCC in general you can just forget about him (and his creed!).

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  18. Gary, in your 2017 to 2024 Rapture Theory article, you said there would be an intercalary month in 2024. Does it help that the barley harvest was a month late this year, thereby pushing or resetting the Feasts back a month ?

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  19. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME AND ENCOURAGEMENT ON THIS SITE. It’s hard to be so excited about what the Lord is showing, and not have anyone interested to delve into it with you. It’s interesting you note Nov. 19th as the last date for fulfilling end trib by Yom Kippur 2024, because earthsky.org states, “Be sure to let the moon guide you to Saturn (and possibly Mercury, which lurks beneath Saturn) for several days, centered on or near November 20. Saturn and Mercury will be in conjunction on November 28.”
    When you read Rev. 12:7 which occurs after the child is caught up in verse 5, it states, “And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,” if Saturn represents Satan (dragon), and Mercury represents Michael, this could help us narrow the time frame down to a possibility of Nov.13th (Venus-Jupiter conjunction) - Nov. 19th (Yom Kippur 2024 timing).
    Also, I’ve been pondering the relationship of the Rev.14:18 verse grapes fully ripe in conjunction with the (sickle) end of Trib. And the Matthew 24:32-33
    32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
    33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. Symbolizing the 3.5 year mid mark of Trib.
    * This timing fits as well.

    Thoughts?

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    1. Diana, thank you for unpacking a bit of Saturn's journey through these moments. I posted a comment on Watchmanforthatgreatday's YTC last video asking him to do the same and hadn't seen anything there yet (not having geared up to work in Stellarium myself yet). I would love to have someone (you?) give us a rundown on any and each significant arrangement involving Saturn while we watch Venus, et al, as my guess is, as your post hints at, we will see another set of significant conjunctions/oppositions during this same time. One last idea, we Watchers generally note the easy ones, the conjunctions, and I am curious to hear of oppositions as well. What if, for example, at significant points along the way, in addition to being conjunct with key planets, (Venus+Jupiter, for ex.) we find that they are ALSO apposing other key planets, such as Saturn. I mean, if Venus was conjunct Jupiter and opposing Saturn at or about the SAME TIME wouldn't that be an obvious thing to want to see? Maranatha!

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    2. Diana this is truly fascinating thank you!! I was aware of the date 11/19 as the "last possible" to fulfill 2520 days (360x7) until Yom Kippur 2024 so you are certainly onto something! MARANATHA it can't be any longer though, much love :)

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  20. I feel it’s very dangerous to malign servants of God! Billy Graham is one of the few that actually doesn’t seem to be in it for the money. Anything can be twisted on the internet to sound like he was saying something heretical.. in my opinion he is a humble man of God whom God has used mightily. You can even take one bible verse out of context and accuse God of being cruel( like Richard Dawkins does). We are told in the Bible that we will know the false prophets by their fruits not by something they supposedly said! When we put our opinion out there and judge someone beware of making anyone stumble!! They are so many people who come to this site who may not be very strong in their faith.. they are the little ones that we should not cause to stumble! Notice when Gary also mentions scoffers he doesn’t name anyone and I think that’s appropriate! We all have to give account of what we say and also what we write!

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    1. Paul always exposed and called false teachers / false brothers by name so that others be warned. We do the same, according to scriptures: Acts 8:9 + 19:14 / 1 Timothy 1:20 / 2 Timothy 4:10+14

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    2. Fair enough, but I do not think these scriptures support saying "he is not a Christian" on the other hand saying "he is not teaching as a Christian and setting a biblical example" or something similar is supported by these. Subtle difference maybe. I feel silly pointing this out and hate to sound argumentative. Peace.

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  21. I"ve never been known to get overly excited about little coincides but every morning before work i sit in my car and read along the with an old timey actor named Alexander Scourby doing a bible reading of
    the New Testament book by book. Today he read Revelation ch 20. So tomorrow will be ch. 21 and monday (Nov 13th)will be ch.22. The end?


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    1. Darren, I'm good with that. Maranatha!

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  22. Thank you for this interesting heads-up article, Gary!

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  23. Maybe this will help those that have questions regarding what Billy Graham believes from his own mouth.

    http://www.creationliberty.com/articles/graham.php

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    1. Thank You Karen, what a good article, wow, and great site overall! I'm an older dog, but I learned allot today about several people and things. I will be using the King James as my primary translation from now on. Loved it! Thanks! Folks this is a site worth bookmarking!

      http://www.creationliberty.com/articles.php

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    2. Blessed to be of service to my brothers and sisters in Christ.
      Provided you a link for buying KJV bibles below. This is where I purchase my bibles.

      http://www.bpsmilford.org/store#!/~/category/id=1973814&offset=0&sort=priceDesc

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    3. Why the King James Bible?

      https://youtu.be/qaVWgewj1Ts

      https://youtu.be/oXches5vk6w

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  24. Great Article Gary! Hal Lindsey, in recent years, told a story, how he and Billy Graham were Golfing, and while riding along in the Golf Cart, they were talking about the Rapture. Billy told Hal that though he was much older (11yrs) than Hal, he believed he too would live to go in the Rapture. I believed him then and it looks to me like that will be the case! lol! Hals Book [The Rapture] opened my eyes in 1988 and I've been Watching since. Billy Graham has been around my whole life and I'm excited he and Hal are with us and enduring to The End.

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  25. I tend to agree with Answers in Genesis regarding the shape of our Earth...good article here...https://answersingenesis.org/astronomy/earth/does-bible-teach-earth-flat/

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      This is a good/great article/scholarship. I have also done some research on the raqiya` (i.e. firmament, the expanse above) but this article/ scholarly work goes beyond mine. A very good read/resource indeed. HOWEVER, while I am moved by this scholarship (esp. on the raqiya`), I am not swayed to the point of believing the "Blue Marble" is flying through space at 66,000mph, rotating at another 6,000mph:

      Red Flag #1- The Marble was introduced to the world in the 1960s by NASA (thus, the Vatican).

      Red Flag #2- Everything NASA (thus, the Vatican) claims to have done/ accomplished has been a hoax or make-believe.

      Red Flag #3- If NASA (thus, the Vatican) is behind the hoax and make-believe, I cannot and will not believe any "information" they produce nor will I believe any "discovery" by them. Everything NASA produces is vetted by and controlled by the Vatican.

      Red Flag #4- It is a government organization. thus, it is not for the greater good of the humanrace but only a money drain for the bigger New World Agenda.

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      Ive been FE since Oct.2015.I have found it impossible to help Christians see it. I figured I would just wait for the rapture and then minister to confused incorruptibles. Or they could minister to me. Hah. Blessings. I have loved all your responses attempting to put it out there. Our first view of the other side of the firmament will be spectacular.

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  26. The article mentions Libra as the altar, but Libra represents scales of justice.

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  27. Another look at #4 above...

    This is point #9 in my 14 reasons why Watchers may want to take a look at December 31, 2017...

    9. So FROM the September 28, 2015 last Super Blood Moon as day 1 and then going to December 31, 2017,

    We will find ourselves at...

    THE LAST DAY OF DECEMBER
    THE LAST DAY OF 2017
    THE LAST DAY OF THE END OF PENTECOST COUNT FROM THE GREAT SIGN (LEVITICUS 23:15 & 16)

    ...and possibly

    THE LAST DAY WHEN THE CHURCH IS CORRUPTIBLE ON EARTH (END OF PENTECOST SEASON OF INDWELLING OF THE HOLY SPIRIT IF WE ARE ALL CALLED HOME)

    THE "LAST DAY" (Why would she say "last day" in reference to Lazarus appearing in heaven, why not "first day" of resurrection? This day needs to be the last day of something I think) MARTHA MAY HAVE REFERRED TO WHEN SHE PROPHESIED (in the Spirit who inspires all Scripture) THAT HER BROTHER WOULD RISE ON THE "LAST DAY"…..

    is 826 days.

    So, here we are, gentiles seeking wisdom, what is the word for Strongs Greek #826? It is

    "augazó": TO SHINE FORTH.

    From Daniel 12, That's EXACTLY what all the Saints are going to be doing that day if the rapture occurs and we are taken to our place on the other side of the firmament where it will only be bright with the reflection of Jesus lighting even the sun.

    Daniel 12:3 And they that be wise shall SHINE as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.

    Interestingly enough, for Israel, as yet left behind, the Strong's Hebrew #826 is a word that means "CONJUROR".

    Perhaps, for those left behind, I am sure Lucifer is planning something deceptively special with his conjurors so that those on earth, after or even along with, the rapture, will be deceived… tremendously. He will do it with magic, demons, fallen angels and lies. Glad I won't be here if it occurs on day 826.

    Dennis L. Watson
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  32. This is point #11 in my 14 reasons why Watchers may want to take a look at December 31, 2017...

    11. Pentecost is not only a day but it was the conception of the church. The church needs to be born again and in order for that to happen the group known as "THE CHURCH" needs to be a closed group after its 1984 year membership drive. This thing called THE CHURCH started in Acts 2 after a BEGINNING OF PENTECOST COUNT. What was started has not ended as people are still becoming Christians.

    THE COUNT FOR THE BEGINNING OF THE CHURCH AGE MAY NOT BE THE SAME AS THE COUNT FOR THE END OF THE CHURCH AGE. However, both counts are available because of the wording of Leviticus 23:15,16. (I dealt with this in Point #2)

    The ongoing "effect" or "season" of Pentecost ends with the rapture at the LAST DAY, the end of the END OF PENTECOST COUNT, because after that, the group known as "The Church" is closed by virtue of the fact that at the rapture, the ENTIRE CHURCH is made incorruptible and eternal.

    Pentecost, a Divine Appointment which allows at least 1984 more years of individual divine appointments with God as individuals are one at a time, indwelt with the Holy Spirit. Pentecost in Acts 2 was a picture, from the beginning of the church, OF THE END OF THE CHURCH: the rapture. When the season of Pentecost is over, the 120 disciples in Acts 2, AND all the rest of THE CHURCH, living and dead (including those 120) will be
    1) gathered,
    2) in an upper room,
    3) joyous,
    4) in one accord,
    5) speaking but one language,
    6) lit up and shiny.

    All of these elements are exactly what we will see at the Rapture of the Church at the END OF PENTECOST COUNT.

    There are those who already have responded to this and their first response is "Pentecost is in spring not in winter." This is like saying "No man knows the day or the hour." True statement when written but it does not mean what you think it means. I am not saying the DAY OF PENTECOST IS IN WINTER. I am saying the springtime day of Pentecost in Acts 2 started a process that will end at the rapture. I am saying that the Pentecost season, or process, does not have to end on the day it started to still be the end of the Pentecost season. It will end at the Rapture. The Rapture does not have to occur on the spring time feast day of Pentecost in order for the rapture to be fulfillment of the Pentecost count.

    The Pentecost count from Leviticus 23:15,16 (read it again and see) allows a count that was completed on day 50 AND it allows a count that will be completed at 99 days. One simply must start the count on a date that is a GREAT SIGN like the resurrection of Jesus was a GREAT SIGN. How about starting the Count on the Day of the GREAT SIGN. At the end of the count then, on December 31, 2017 perhaps we will see all 6 of those elements of the rapture: 1)gathered, 2) in an upper room, 3) joyous, 4) in one accord, 5) speaking one language (another post Babel language miracle), 6) and we will be changed and we will be lit up and shiny.

    Blessings Saints. Soon we rise and shine.

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  35. This is point #3 in my 14 reasons why Watchers may want to take a look at December 31, 2017.

    3. I submit that when Martha told Jesus that she expected her dead brother Lazarus to rise "on the last day" I think it is possible that the LAST DAY was the last day of the Count or the last day the Church would be corruptible on earth. Otherwise wouldn’t you refer to the resurrection of Lazarus as his first day being resurrected? Of course, Martha did not know this, but her words were inspired by the Holy Spirit who is very much attune to Pentecost, not only the day of its beginning but the day when He will no long indwell believers to make eternal new creatures. It is appropriate that the END OF SEASON OF PENTECOST COUNT will occur on the last day of its count, possibly December 31, 2017.

    What is this day the LAST DAY of?

    THE LAST DAY OF DECEMBER?
    THE LAST DAY OF 2017?
    THE LAST DAY WHEN THE CHURCH IS CORRUPTIBLE?
    THE LAST DAY OF THE PENTECOST COUNT?
    THE LAST DAY MARTHA REFERRED TO WHEN SHE PROPHESIED THAT HER BROTHER WOULD RISE ON THE LAST DAY…..?

    We will see. Blessings Saints.

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  36. This is point #5 in my 14 reasons why Watchers may want to take a look at December 31, 2017.

    5. Some have suggested that the rapture is a spring event (a beginning of Pentecost event) and thus use Song of Songs 2 to point out the spring-like conditions at the time the Groom is coming for the Bride. Read carefully every line of Song of Songs 2 and imagine this...the Bride is in her mansion(s) already, and she is already in heaven, the rapture is history, and it is always spring-like in heaven, and the Bridegroom is coming to take her on a "date" as He has done apparently many times before.

    Song of Songs 2:13 Arise, my love, my fair one, and come away.

    This is not the rapture, this is a vision of joyous fellowship with our Lord which will likely happen OFTEN as we wait the 7 years during the tribulation on earth and we get to enjoy our relationship with Jesus before we return with Him to earth in Revelation 19.

    Apparently Jesus makes unannounced mansion visits. Word to the wise Saints. Keep it clean.

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  38. This is point #8 in my 14 reasons why Watchers may want to take a look at December 31, 2017.

    8. A NEW REVELATION ABOUT LEVITICUS. So, this "new" revelation about a beginning Pentecost count and an ending Pentecost count was always in the Bible but not taught. The END OF PENTECOST COUNT, a mystery till the Church came up, and perhaps a mystery until we viewed those Scriptures in light of the Great Sign of September 23, 2017 and we see Daniel 12:4 is being fulfilled and new understandings are obtained as we go over and over the Book. The count for the BEGINNING OF PENTECOST SEASON is apparently different from the count to the END OF PENTECOST SEASON. I suggest we are to apply the count to the end of Pentecost FROM THE GREAT SIGN which is comparably as wondrous as the RESURRECTION...and it goes as set forth above. (see point 2)

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  39. This is point #4 in my 14 reasons why Watchers may want to take a look at December 31, 2017.

    4. I submit that true Israel, immediately after the winter harvest of the rapture, finally the HARVEST OF PENTECOST, potentially on December 31, 2017, says the following perhaps on January 1, 2018 or any time after the rapture

    ... a statement dripping with hopelessness....

    Jeremiah 8:20 - "Summer is over, the harvest is past, and still we are not saved."

    In the Bible there are two seasons. Summer and Winter. Winter technically begins on solstice at 12/21. 10 days later it could be that Israel says, "Summer is over, the harvest (the rapture) is past (the rapture did not include us), and still we are not saved." What a sad statement.

    The rapture will make Israel jealous. Amen. I wonder if those 10 days of winter may refer to the "10 days of tribulation" for Smyrna in Rev 2:10? Have not worked that out. December 21 may have something to do with Hanukkah.

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  41. This is point #13 in my 14 reasons why Watchers may want to take a look at December 31, 2017.

    13. God wants us to know the finish line. God wants us to run the race like Paul but we cannot run a race appropriately unless we know where the finish line is. Now, PERHAPS, we know. Run appropriately. Like Zamporini in the famous world record shattering last lap at the 36 Olympics. Even if the date turns out to not be anything remarkable, it will be a good lesson on how to run a race. It we remain watchful, perhaps there will be more confirmation later and before the date.

    Dennis L. Watson
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  42. This is point #10 in my 14 reasons why Watchers may want to take a look at December 31, 2017.

    10. MUST LISTEN TWO VIDEOS AS THEY MENTION DECEMBER 31, 2017 IN REFERENCE TO END TIMES.

    A. “Steve Quayle Amerigeddon Economic collapse will be on December 31, 2017” Search in you tube with the above title. Well I just listened to this presentation in its entirely and though the title says something about December 31, that it is less specifically stated in the complete video. However, they indicate a financial Armageddon is close and could be the end of the year. I will be looking for any information that gives specifics.

    B. There is another video by Paul Begley and it speaks of Obamacare and the fact that right now, still the law of the land, is that by December 31, 2017, chips are supposed to be applied to and installed in citizens. Are we at the edge of that?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1711-Qzvxk4 from 2012
    updated https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktTgrpeDdhc from 2015

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  44. This is point #14 in my 14 reasons why Watchers may want to take a look at December 31, 2017.

    14. Yes. IT IS ALL Speculation. Not setting a date. Only God sets the date. But He may have given His Watchers a clue or two. If 12/31 is the date God has set …amen, so be it. If it is not the date then I am sure when the REAL date occurs, it will also be a similarly breathtaking display of our Lord's sovereignty over sun, moon, stars, Scripture, Feasts, Calendars (Jewish and Gregorian), nature, and the plans of Satan and the hearts of men. You know, just like the 12/31 date WOULD HAVE BEEN had it actually been the date of the rapture!!!!

    Blessings Saints. Soon we rise and shine. Isn't this the most amazing time of HISTORY to be living in?!?!?

    If you come up with other ideas or confirmations then let me know.
    Dennis L. Watson
    lawtrams@aol.com

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  45. This is point #6 in my 14 reasons why Watchers may want to take a look at December 31, 2017

    6. The eclipse of 8/21 figures in here because 33 days after the Great American Eclipse was the Revelation 12 sign. They are connected and that "33" was all over that eclipse (Oregon the 33rd state, leaving U.S. at 33rd parallel, etc) including the fact that it was 33x3 (99) years since an eclipse like that had occurred. How many days after the September 23, Great Sign is December 31? That's right Saints, 99!!!! Look at all the warning signs from September 23, 2017 that have already occurred! This was from another commenter on unsealed.org...

    http://unsealed.boards.net/thread/1201/rev-virgo-sign-days-warning

    I think we need to keep watch for every day that is a multiple of 11 as those days could portend disaster. 99 days before December 31 is the Great Sign. 77 days before December 31 there were the apocalyptic FIRES in Portugal. 44 days before the sign the Argentinian submarine with 44 sailors is lost. Keep your eyes open as we approach December 31, 2017. There may be other judgments coming up or identified. Further, we await a complete fulfillment Rev 12:3,4 although that may be at the same time as we go up. The dragon fights as the redeemed Saints pour through his territory and he is unable to stop it and he is thrown down and received by whatever sack of bones receives him to become antichrist. Rev 12:7,8 .

    Admit it Saints…there is just something about 99 that God is attracted to. God approached Abraham when he was 99 years old about the some coming existence of his promised son, Isaac. And Saints, admit it, there are plenty of pictures about the birth of a promised son, the birth of a church associated by faith to Abraham and being called by the same Spirit that went and obtained a wife for Isaac and if so, you, are unavoidably, associated with 99.

    What is it about 99? Because it is evenly divisible by a trinitarian God? Divisble evenly by 3? Because when it is turned upside down the 66 is only divisible by two and perhaps Lucifer hates that. He needs to add another 6 to that number to be happy. And God knows it. So God uses it? Hmmm. I wonder.

    Dennis L. Watson
    lawtrams@aol.com

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  46. This is point #12 in my 14 reasons why Watchers may want to take a look at December 31, 2017

    12. The Torah reading for the Sabbath, the DAY BEFORE December 31, 2017 includes the last four chapters of Genesis, ending with Genesis 50 (completion), and with Joseph’s bones being RAISED out of the ground of Egypt to be taken to the promised land.

    Hey Saints! Want to leave Egypt? It is with NEW FLESH AND BONE that we "GO UP TO THE PROMISED LAND"

    The Scripture Reading for this Sabbath is named Va-Yechi (And He Lived). AND HE LIVED!!!! Yes saints we will be born again to immortality and we will live.

    Thanks for the hint there Moses.

    Dennis L. Watson
    lawtrams@aol.com

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  51. This is point #2 in my 14 reasons why Watchers may want to take a look at December 31, 2017

    2. The Resurrection of Jesus was a great sign and GOD COUNTED from the GREAT SIGN of Jesus' Resurrection, 7 Sabbaths and then on the next day, as the disciples were gathered (and ready to wait the full count), but on the next day, the fiftieth day after the GREAT SIGN of the resurrection (the completion of the PENTECOST INITIATION COUNT), is when God got Pentecost in Acts 2 started. The effects of Pentecost continue presently and will UNTIL THE LAST DAY OF THE CHURCH’S EXISTENCE AS CORRUPTIBLE ON EARTH. That would be the rapture.

    Why is Rev. 12:1,2 a GREAT SIGN? Have you been studying it? That sign is incredible and all the other retrogrades and conjunctions around it make it even more so. The sign is about a new birth. Not just the birth of a human! The sign is a sign for the birth of resurrected Saints. It is a RESURRECTION SIGN. When Jesus walked from the tomb, ALSO, it was a RESURRECTION SIGN. What do you do when you have a resurrection sign? You count! And that according to Leviticus 23:15 and 16 is what we are doing. We count from the Great Sign of Revelation 12 for the PENTECOST TERMINATION COUNT as follows:

    Read the verses in Leviticus 23:15 & 16 and see if the count could be applicable.

    15 And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete: 16 Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the LORD.

    Apply those verses here because perhaps the Pentecost Season will end at the end of this Biblical count:

    The Great Sign of Rev. 12:1,2 September 23, 2017

    1 The first Sabbath after - September 30, 2017
    2 The second Sabbath - October 7, 2017
    3 The third Sabbath - October 14, 2017
    4 The fourth Sabbath - October 21, 2017
    5 The fifth Sabbath - October 28, 2017
    6 The sixth Sabbath - November 4, 2017
    7 The seventh Sabbath - November 11, 2017

    ALL SUNDAYS

    1 The morrow after the seventh Sabbath - November 12, 2017
    50 The day of the end of the 50 day count - December 31, 2017

    Please do not be concerned that the end of Pentecost count (Day 50) will not occur on the same day (Day 1) in Acts 2 that beginning of Pentecost count started. It will end when the church is COMPLETE ON DAY 50. That’s why Pentecost, in Acts 2 started on DAY 1. Day 1 was the beginning of the Church. Day 50 is the completion of the Church, now READY FOR HARVEST.

    I know this will be difficult for some to take in. You weren’t taught this. I wasn’t taught this. I just saw this last week. Already I have had responses and semi-informed believers tell me, “Pentecost is in Spring!” They cannot see the difference between the initiation of Pentecost and the termination of Pentecost. Well there you go! That settles it. Sometimes it is hard for salty, old, saints, even like me, to learn something new in Scripture. Try Saints.

    Dennis L. Watson
    lawtrams@aol.com

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  52. I will send you 14 reasons why Scripture indicates that the rapture IS IN 2017 and will occur on Enoch's day...

    I hope you are right about the nearness of the rapture. Redemption calls to me and it resonates deep. Lord, please come anytime before the end of the year!" Amen.

    To put it bluntly, I believe Scripture is telling us that December 31, 2017 is the rapture. I know, I know, I know … you don’t need to tell me what you are thinking. I am a seasoned watcher. I know all the responses from both non-watching believers, unbelievers, and other watchers who are watching other dates. I see a huge amount of spiritual beauty in what the Lord revealed to me about the count only last week. I would like to share it. Maybe some of these points, even if my conclusion is incorrect, will be encouraging.

    But here are 14 points that make me think the day of the rapture could be identified by God and by Scripture. I have been a fan of Amos 3:7 for decades. God will do nothing but that He tells His prophets first. Not saying I am right. I am looking at this date as a potential date that could bring God glory so I write about each point and why that point would bring God Glory below.

    This is point #1 in my 14 reasons why Watchers may want to take a look at December 31, 2017

    1. Enoch was raptured (technically translated) when He was 365 years old and December 31, 2017 is day 365 of the year 2017 in which the long awaited Great Sign of Revelation 12:1,2 occurred. The sign of Revelation 12 is about a resurrection! And by tying it into 365 we are forced to focus our attention on Enoch. Why? Because he was the first one RAPTURED (or something like it..don't know if he has an incorruptible body yet) AND THUS THE SIGN is for today, another sign of the resurrection from which the 120 disciples knew to count in Acts 2. How come nobody is counting yet? If you read my 14 points you will be counting and you will join the 120 plus disciples in faith, believing, and counting, and for them, God came unexpectedly early. The Great Sign of Revelation 12 is a resurrection sign. God set this up from the beginning Saints! I will tell you something about that sign that you probably do not know yet.

    Can you think of even one good reason why God had Enoch taken, before the tribulation of the flood, the first mention that people could actually be taken to heaven, when he had so much life left in him (just like all the raptured quick Christians will be but Enoch could have lived another 600 years) when he reached the year 365? Just one reason, Why 365?…why that number…waiting…(crickets)…I can not think of one except the “1.” Above.

    Thank you so much Martha, brother of Lazarus and also the prophet Moses for this hint.

    God did it before, straight from His own mouth, using the year for a day thing. Remember God had Ezekiel lie on one side for 390 days and then on his other side for 40 days. Then God explained it was indicative of a judgment of years that would come to Israel...and perhaps be multiplied (year 1948?).

    Day 365 of the year 2017 because it is the only year in 7000 that has the GREAT SIGN of Rev. 12:1,2 which is not just about a birth, it is A GREAT SIGN ABOUT A RESURRECTION...and it starts a count Just like Christ's resurrection was a Great Sign about a Resurrection that started a count. More on that later.

    I am sure some angel will pass out tags at the Wedding Supper. Not only the Bride but Enoch get to wear the "i GOT RAPTURED AT 365" button! Hah!

    I wonder if Enoch gets made incorruptible here at the rapture also. I know he is an Old Testament saint, but like Elijah, he is still needing what Jesus did on the cross and they have not died yet so maybe they are in fact part of the resurrected Church.

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  53. This is point #7 in my 14 reasons why Watchers should keep an eye on December 31, 2017.

    7. THE PERFECT POINT – (and shortest)
    12/31 - Count the digits…its perfect. 7
    12/31/2017 - Count the digits…its the year. 17
    High fives to Enoch when you see him. 12/31 is day 365 of the year!
    365 Count the digits its 14 or 7 + 7 (completion perfected)
    14 Count the digits, 5=GRACE

    Grace Perfectly Completely Perfected at end of 5777 (9/21-22/2017)
    Then the next day, 9/23, in 5778 begins a final 99 day count to rapture where
    Grace is Perfectly Completed Anew – 5778.
    We are in that count now saints. It ends on 12/31/2017.
    The count started on 9/23, then 7 Sabbaths after, then morrow after, Saints begin count to 50.

    Please do not be concerned that the end of Pentecost count (Day 50) will not occur on the same day (Day 1) in Acts 2 that beginning of Pentecost count started. It will end when the church is COMPLETE ON DAY 50. That’s why Pentecost, in Acts 2 started on DAY 1. Day 1 was the beginning of the Church. Day 50 is the completion of the Church, now READY FOR HARVEST.

    I know this will be difficult for some to take in. You weren’t taught this. I wasn’t taught this. I just saw this last week. Already I have had responses and semi-informed believers tell me, “Pentecost is in Spring!” They cannot see the difference between the initiation of Pentecost and the termination of Pentecost. Well there you go! That settles it. Sometimes it is hard for salty, old, saints, even like me, to learn something new in Scripture. Try Saints.

    Dennis L. Watson
    lawtrams@aol.com

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  54. This is BONUS POINT KATHLEEN in my 14 reasons why Watchers should keep an eye on December 31, 2017. I already named my list "14 reasons..." so I have to keep that name for now even though I hope people will find other points in support that can be added. They will include your first name. It was Kathleen that reminded me December 31 was "the biggest drinking and partying day of the year."

    BONUS POINT KATHLEEN) I had another thought about how unique a December 31 rapture would be.

    Luke 12:40 says "Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not."

    i. This means at least, not at a regular already established Biblical Feast date. Some people want to see a rapture on a Feast day, primarily beginning of Feast of Trumpets, or at the end, the 8th day of Tabernacles or Hanukkah, or beginning of Pentecost. Those would be times you would expect or think. Jesus said to look for a time ye think not, that may mean not a feast day of itself...YET. After the rapture, I am sure, that day will be honored forever. December 31 qualifies.

    ii. Further, What is the one hour of the year, when perhaps the whole world is distracted in one thought and they will be thinking about something else not expecting the rapture? The last hour of December 31. We know this distraction of the last hour of the year occurs all over the world in a 24 hour period. But a friend of mine suggested: “Biggest drinking and partying day of the year....”

    Can you imagine the confusion if at the last hour of the year, in Israel at least, while the crowd in revelry is ticking down the time to the New Year , they take a deep breath to scream in unison (a time ye think not) and as the minute hand reaches 12, AND, BOOM, the Saints are whisked away? Could be an amazing day when people are thinking not. December 31 qualifies.

    iii Most people are "thinking not" most of the time. The word "amusement" means "not thinking". If one engages in TV shows or movies one after the other, you are involved in "not thinking". You are engaged in watching myths, made up stories that try to program you to lose your touch with spiritual reality, truth and goodness. The thing that the media is trying to tell people these days in their myths of all kinds is get ready for the tribulation. There is a lot of hell coming to earth and entertainment loves to focus on that. 1 Timothy 4:7 But refuse profane and old wives' fables, and exercise thyself rather unto godliness. Other versions call profane and old wives' fables MYTHS. In my mind "Myths" would include all TV and movie drama, romance, fiction, science fiction, history, documentaries and all productions of NASA.

    Dennis L. Watson
    lawtrams@aol.com

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