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The Fig Tree, Imminence, and the Sureness of the Pre-Trib Rapture (Part II)



First, a definition to get us all thinking on the same page: What is a biblical type, or, more broadly, a biblical typology? For starters, here is the Greek word, tupos (“type”; Strong’s 5179), used in two relevant biblical contexts:

But death reigned from Adam until Moses, even on those having not sinned in the likeness of Adam’s transgression, who is a type [tupos] of Him who is coming (Romans 5:14, LSV). 


Extended Question: How, or in what way, is Adam a tupos (“type”) of Jesus?


[Levitical priests], who are an example and shadow, serve of the heavenly things, as Moses has been divinely warned, being about to construct the Dwelling Place [i.e. tabernacle], for, 'See,' He says, '[that] you will make all things according to the pattern [tupos] that was shown to you on the mountain (Hebrews 8:5, LSV).


Extended Question: What is the purpose of biblical typology? 

Second, based on the extended question above, here is an overarching biblical principle that serves to anchor our present study:


For whatever was written in former days was written for our instruction, that through the endurance and through the encouragement of the Scriptures [so that] we might have hope (Romans 15:4, ESV, bracketed explanation mine). 


The Church is part of a greater, heavenly reality:


Let no one, then, judge you in eating or in drinking, or in respect of a celebration, or of a new moon, or of Sabbaths, which are a shadow of the coming things, but the body [is] of the Christ (Colossians 2:16-17, LSV).


Compare Col. 2:17 with the nearby verse of Col. 2:19 for the contextual definition of soma (“body”) in 2:17. Moreover, the Body of Christ is not bound to the elemental forces of this world (Gal. 4:3; Col. 2:20), and while we are still present on earth, we already have one foot in the door of heaven (Jn. 17:16; Eph. 1:3; 2:6; Col. 3:1; Rev. 4:1).

Extended Question: Is an argument based on biblical typology weak, vague, or invalid? How does the apostle Paul argue his theological points in his writings?


The Focus of the Discussion:

The Premise: Biblical types, copies, and shadows repeatedly emphasize and teach that when a body goes missing, when a bride is taken, and when a temple is removed, the focus quickly turns to God's judgment, a major transition, and/or a covenant fulfillment. 

The apostle Paul picked up on all three biblical metaphors foreshadowing the Christ/Church union in his letter to the Ephesians:

1. Body (Eph. 1:22-23; 2:16; 3:6; 4:4, 12; 5:30)

2. Bride (Eph. 5:22-33; cf. Gen. 2:22-24)

3. Building (Eph. 2:19-22)

The Promise: In keeping with the three illustrative shadows listed above (body, bride, and building), Biblical typology repeatedly affirms and teaches that the Body, Bride, and Temple of Christ (i.e. the Church) will go missing, be taken, and removed immediately prior to the final judgment, purification, and covenant restoration of Israel. In other words, the final judgment and transition into Jacob’s trouble (70th week; Dan. 9:27) does not begin until the Church disappears and is completely removed from the scene: 


Because you kept the word of My endurance, I also will keep you from the hour of the trial that is about to come on all the world, to try those dwelling on the earth (Revelation 3:10, LSV). 


After these things I saw, and behold, a door opened in the sky, and the first voice that I heard—as of a trumpet speaking with me, saying, 'Come up here, and I will show you what must come to pass after these things (Revelation 4:1, LSV). 


Each of these points are discussed in the video:

(1) A Body Goes Missing:

  • Enoch disappears before rebel angels descend and the global Flood commences: Genesis 5:24; Hebrews 11:5-6 
  • The Mystery of Moses’ Body: Death and burial recorded in Deuteronomy, but Jude 1:9 informs us of a backstory involving Michael and Satan disputing over Moses’ body. See Flavius “Flavor Flave” Josephus (Antiquities of the Jews)* and the apocryphal Assumption of Moses. After Moses’ body disappears, Joshua/Jesus leads the Israelites into the Promised Land
  • Elijah is gone with the wind before Assyrian judgment on Northern kingdom: 2 Kings 2
 
(2) A Bride is Taken Away

  • Benjaminite Bride-Snatching (last chapter Judges 21:21, see LXX translation: harpazo [x2]). Judges 21 followed by the book of Ruth (Boaz taking a Gentile bride, prefiguring Christ and the Church)
  • Zeke’s bride taken from him before judgment on Jerusalem: Ezekiel 24:15-27
  • A bride is taken away before the trouble begins in the Song of Solomon 2:10-14

(3) A Building (Tabernacle/Temple) is Removed

  • 1st, 2nd Temple removed (God's glory departs first prior to each destruction)
  • Ark of the Covenant disappearance (and reappearance—in heaven!)
  • 1 Peter: Rise of spiritual temple prior to Jerusalem temple's 70 AD fiery destruction; Jesus speaks of temple removal FIRST before Tribulation talk (Matthew 24; Mark 13; Luke 21); bonus: not one stone left; therefore, not one living stone in God's temple will be left behind at the Rapture!

*Quote from Josephus regarding Moses' body (Antiquities of the Jews, Book IV, Chapter 8, last line of paragraph 48):


And as he [Moses] was going to embrace Eleazar and Joshua and was still discoursing with them, a cloud stood over him on the sudden, and he disappeared, in a certain valley: although he wrote in the Holy Books that he died: which was done out of fear lest they should venture to say, that because of his extraordinary virtue he went to God.





**Update (7/4/2022)**  Greg Lauer posted an article entitled "A Pattern with a Hole" that strengthens the temple-removal typology discussed in our video.

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77 comments:

  1. The end time prophecy for the Church was already fulfilled on Ascension Day!

    At the end of the 40 days warning, something unexpected happens to
    the freed captives that had been raised. They are taken to Heaven,
    captive now to Jesus, so instead of receiving the Kingdom on earth as a
    reward, as promised in their covenant, they will now have a place in the
    rulership of the Kingdom under Jesus when He returns along with the
    full harvest of His labor that he had previously claimed on Ascension
    day.
    Jesus, The Messiah, ascended with His captives 40 days after they arose
    on the feast of First Fruits. That's part of the Messiah landscape that is
    included in that feast which is casting its shadow into the future of the
    Church to set the time precisely. And, that s a picture of the Rapture and
    the time for its occurrence. And it's landscape shows that it came at the
    end of a 40-day warning period to the Jews

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  2. Just now had a chance to sit and watch this. Most excellent and insightful. Thoroughly enjoyed this. I'll be putting this in the "Recommended Reading and Viewing" section of my latest given its subject matter.

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    1. Thanks brother! In Part I I couldn't help but include Jer. 24. Maranatha.

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  3. Hi Cy, you ready to fly! Lightning bugs are out n about gal ~ Fire Fly Heaven \!/ * imma listenin' to ole' Jerry Jeff Walker, Best of the best,Texas country music! Heres to all them good ole' Country bumpkins all over the good earth. Big SkY Awaits,..much love Ya'll ~ Shalom ~ ~ ~ \o/

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    1. Ozark, sometimes I think I cain't take it anymore, and then my youngest grandgirl discoveres lightning bugs in our back yard and I can breathe again. Good wins!

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    2. ... how sweet is that! and now i too am breathing,.,,.,..,.,. again! i love this

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  4. Thank you for the good teaching. I've enjoyed it today and also learned new types I had not seen before. Just a comfort that the scriptures are replete of types of the pre-tribulation rapture. It is going to turn out well for the bride of Christ.

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  5. I'm just wondering about Enoch as a type of the church. He was taken away (raptured) a long time before the flood, six hundred years prior, if I'm not mistaken. The world probably got a lot more evil after Enoch was taken away...until the flood. Can he then be a type of the rapture of the church?

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    1. That's a really good point!

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    2. Hi Abel!

      Yes, I would characterize Enoch as a type of the church. The world was subject to at least two demonic incursions as seen in (Genesis 6) which resulted in the flood. Ken Johnson has some interesting resources on the topic that are highly recommended,

      Biblefacts.org

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    3. Prophecy Watchers: Ken Johnson: End-Time Prophecies in the Book of Enoch

      Prophecy Watchers: Ken Johnson: End-Time Prophecies in the Book of Enoch

      Quoting, Prophecy Watchers,

      The apocryphal book of Enoch is one of the most controversial books found among the ancient Dead Sea Scrolls. Although Enoch’s writing was not included among the 66 books of the Bible, it does add some remarkable details into several key passages that have PIQUED THE CURIOSITY of theologians for ages.

      Enoch documents the heavenly rebellion of the fallen angels we read about in the 6th chapter of Genesis. LET’S JUST SAY THAT ENOCH NAMES NAMES, documenting the actual leaders of the rebellion and offering insight into their corruption of the human race in the days of Noah. Today, we see this same genetic tampering taking place in laboratories all around the world, but according to Enoch, these fallen angels knew the secrets of heaven and the manipulation of human DNA long before our generation.

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  6. Thank you pastor Rich. I'm still wandering why there was such a long period of time between Enoch's departure and the final judgement of the flood. I was 669 years to be precise (it's Methuselah's age minus 300 years, because Methuselah died in the year of the flood -- Gen.5:21-32 and Gen.7:6).

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    1. Ken Johnson shares in his books that Enoch was of the Order of Melchizedek and was the 70th generation from the Messiah. Enoch was seventh from Adam just as Noah was tenth and for reasons only God knows for sure. But I do recall that if you take the meaning of the names from Adam to Noah you get a story. Here's a discussion of that from K-House,

      Meanings Of The Names In Genesis 5

      Source, Koinonia House,

      Now let’s put it all together:

      Hebrew Name == English Name
      **************************************************
      Adam == Man
      Seth == Appointed
      Enosh == Mortal
      Kenan == Sorrow
      Mahalalel == The Blessed God
      Jared == Shall come down
      Enoch == Teaching
      Methuselah == His death shall bring
      Lamech == The Despairing
      Noah == Rest, or comfort

      I don't know but if G-D was telling a story through the names of these patriarchs to the glory of His Name then it would make sense the wait.

      Sounds like a GREAT topic for a Bible study!

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    2. Perhaps there is significance to the exact year count of this gap, but I admit I would overlook how long it was to simply say there's a suggestion of a gap possible. However, it's not terribly definitive. After all, Lot was "snatched away" from the destruction of Sodom literally right before the fire began raining down. So a second typology in the Bible of the Raptre seems to indicate none or nearly no gap at all. Types are just imperfect picture shadows, after all.

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    3. Yes! Thank you, Sherrill. I mentioned in the video that an ultra-clear case such as Adam being a type of Christ (Romans 5) does not perfectly parallel Jesus in every way (e.g. Jesus was not created, and He did not sin). The types are still valid without matching every single detail.

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  7. Reuters: https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/eu-israel-egypt-sign-deal-boost-east-med-gas-exports-europe-2022-06-15/ "EU, Israel and Egypt sign deal to boost East Med gas exports to Europe".

    I think that this is prophetic very significant and could this agreement have to do with the Covenant with the many which the antichrist shall confirm?

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  9. The energy crisis in Europe is escalating now, because Russia is severely cutting natgas supplies to Europe, exactly Scholtz, Draghi and Macron are visiting Ukraine at the moment. See https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-06-16/european-gas-rises-further-as-russian-cuts-escalate-energy-war "European Gas Surges 19% as Russian Cuts Escalate Energy Crisis" and https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russian-gas-flows-europe-fall-further-amid-diplomatic-tussle-2022-06-16/ "Russian gas flows to Europe fall further amid diplomatic tussle".

    I think that an acute and a very severe energy crisis in Europe will be one of the reasons for the formation of the Revived Roman Empire, consisting of 10 European nations, and the subsequent emergence of the antichrist from that empire.

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  10. King receives European Commission president

    The meeting covered regional and international developments, especially the Palestinian cause, with the King calling for stepping up efforts to create a real horizon to move the peace process forward and break the stalemate, while ending the cycle of violence threatening regional stability and security.

    EU signs gas deal with Egypt, Israel to end 'dependency' on Russia

    Xi tells Putin China will keep backing Russia on 'sovereignty, security'

    His Majesty King Abdullah (Thats your Peace Maker)
    The peace we will never see because we will be in the throne room.

    When the woman flees into the wilderness she goes into That area of Jordan.
    Jordan is being modernized like no other and it has to be, because of the woman that flees there for 3.5 years.

    http://www.jordantimes.com

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  11. Sherrill points out that Lot is snatched away just before the judgment of the twin sin cities. And Abel points out that 669 years go by between the snatching away of Enoch and the Flood.

    Perhaps the difference lies in the fact that the judgment of those 2 cities was not a world-changing judgment for all. Quite literally, God may not have wanted to wreck His current Covenant for the sake of 2 cities which were more than ready to be used for His own example-making purposes.

    And on the other hand, the Flood was an absolutely universal 669 year culmination to the growing evil that followed Enoch's miraculous departure. Knowing that our Lord is 100% set on Covenant negotiations this time around, should we be shocked if OUR miraculous departure might lead to 6.69 years of growing evil before inescapable judgment as well? Just idle speculation.

    Jeremy

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    1. An interesting possibility, Jeremy!

      @Any/All,

      6.69 years of 360 days/year = 2,408.40 days. The 2,550 days less 2,408.40 = 141.60 days. 141.60 days can be expressed at 0.388 years, 4.652 months or 3398.40 hours. That day count would be easy to overlay in models to see what, if anything, is there to be found on the calendar or in the heavens.

      Just out of curiosity I took a look at Strong's numbers as I'm always looking for a new study point,

      Quoting, Biblehub.com,

      Strong's Concordance (H669)
      Ephrayim: a son of Joseph, also his desc. and their territory
      Original Word: אֶפְרַיִם
      Part of Speech: Proper Name Masculine
      Transliteration: Ephrayim
      Phonetic Spelling: (ef-rah'-yim)
      Definition: a son of Joseph, also his desc. and their territory

      Strong's Concordance
      apophtheggomai: to speak forth
      Original Word: ἀποφθέγγομαι
      Part of Speech: Verb
      Transliteration: apophtheggomai
      Phonetic Spelling: (ap-of-theng'-om-ahee)
      Definition: to speak forth
      Usage: I speak out, declare.

      If you don't immediately know who Ephraim was I highly suggest reading up on him. Ephraim was the second son of Joseph bar Jacob and can be found in the Book of Genesis. I'm always looking for study points and Ephraim is a good one for your quiet time with the LORD.

      PR

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  12. Now The End Begins at https://www.nowtheendbegins.com/israeli-air-force-upgrades-f35s-for-long-range-flight-to-iran-one-ton-precision-bombs-russia-china/ "The Israeli Air Force Has Begun Installing Precision One-Ton Bombs Into The Belly Of Their F-35s, And Updating Planes For Long Distance Flight To Iran":

    The current war in Ukraine is already causing rising oil and natgas prices, rising interest and government bond rates, economic problems and food insecurity all over the world. But a war in the Middle East, when Israel will attack Iran's nuclear facilities, will wreak much more havoc than what the current war in Ukraine is doing now. The current war in Ukraine and its economic fallouts is just an appetizer for what will happen when an major war in the Middle East is raging. Iran will block the Strait of Hormuz, causing oil, natgas and other commodity prices to skyrocket to unimaginable heights, stock markets to collapse, etc. And when a major war in the Middle East is raging, Russia will also attack European NATO member states.

    Will the Rapture happen before Israel is going to attack Iran and that the Restrainer is preventing this war to happen, or will we witness Israel attacking Iran before we are caught up by our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ?

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    1. All good questions, Moin and ones we should be asking. We should be ready for anything as with God, all things are possible (Matthew 19:26), (Mark 10:27). We are not destined for wrath (1 Thessalonians 5:9) and,

      10 Because you have kept
      my word about patient
      endurance, I will keep you
      from the hour of trial that
      is coming on the whole
      world, to try those who
      dwell on the earth.

      11 I am coming soon.
      Hold fast what you have,
      so that no one may seize
      your crown.

      (Revelation 3:10-11 ESV)


      We may bank on all of God's promises. No matter what comes,

      HOLD FAST, KEEP THE FAITH!!!

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  13. https://twitter.com/fbirol/status/1537827961939927041

    I think that Russia cutting natgas supplies to Europe is an angry reaction at the natgas supply deal between Israel, Egypt and Europe. Could it be that Russia is breaking the EU/Eurozone apart by strongly cutting back Russian natgas supplies to Europe, that Eastern Europe together with Germany will join a Russian alliance and that the other 10 Western and Southern European nations will form the Revived Roman Empire which will get his natgas supplies from Northern African nations and Israel? Rome will be the capital city of the Revived Roman Empire, in stead of Brussels. It is very likely that the headquarters of the EU in Brussels will be destroyed.

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  14. SO WHERE ARE WE NOW?

    Modern Jews revive ancient Shavuot ritual as practiced at Jerusalem Temple

    Quoting, i24news.tv,

    In a scene that looked like a biblical illustration brought to life, earlier this month a group of people performed a special procession for the Jewish holiday of Shavuot.

    They used sheep, a special bread and a sacrificial altar similar to the one described in the Torah -- the first five books of the Hebrew Bible.

    Here's a direct link to the embedded video on this story,

    Re-Enactment of Ancient Shavuot Ritual


    To quote Shmuel Hacohen, a participant in these proceedings, from the embedded video,

    "We are doing exercises of the Kohanim that aren't real yet, but it's to practice, eh, so that we know how to, eh, conduct ourselves and do everything that we need to do when we, eh, have our home."

    So we are to the point in G-D's calendar where the third temple priests are learning how to do ritual worship. Yes, they've been about this for a while but in context to (Psalm 90:10) and the 80 year maximum age of the generation?

    5/14/1948 + (360 days/prophetic year * 80 prophetic years) = Sunday, March 21, 2027

    That lands us on the Spring Equinox in Israel and three (3) days before Purim, 2027.

    Now that's an interesting date!

    Hmmm...

    Why you may ask?

    Think the two witnesses. The ministry of the two witnesses was for how long?

    1,260 days (Revelation 11:3)

    HAPPY FATHER'S DAY TO ALL OF YOU DAD'S,

    PR

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  15. Now The End Begins: https://www.nowtheendbegins.com/benjamin-netanyahu-preparing-to-reclaim-throne-as-prime-minister-in-israel/ "The Once Undisputed Ruler Of Israel Benjamin Netanyahu Prepares His Comeback As Fragile Government Collapses Forcing A New Election".

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  16. Bloomberg: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-06-24/germany-fears-russia-could-permanently-close-main-gas-pipeline "Germany Fears Russia Could Permanently Close Main Gas Pipeline" and https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-06-23/germany-to-trigger-phase-two-of-three-stage-emergency-gas-plan "Germany Warns of Lehman-Like Contagion From Russian Gas Cuts".

    Germany has issued stage 2 of the natgas supply emergency plan, because Russia has cut the natgas supplies to Europe through the Nord Stream 1 pipeline and Germany is fearing running out of natgas. See https://www.dw.com/en/germany-enters-phase-2-of-emergency-gas-plan-as-russia-slows-supply/a-62227530 "Germany enters phase 2 of emergency gas plan as Russia slows supply".

    Could the huge political, economic and social fallout of this escalating natgas crisis cause to the EU to fall apart and that 10 southern European countries will form the Revived Roman Empire (Union for the Mediterranean) which draws its natural gas mainly from North Africa, Israel and the Middle East? And that the Netherlands and Germany, together with Eastern European countries and Russia, will form a geopolitical and economic alliance in order to be assured of Russian natgas supplies? This will then be the Gog-Magog coalition of Ezekiel 38 and 39.

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    1. Bloomberg: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-06-25/germany-risks-major-economic-disruption-from-russia-s-gas-squeeze "Germany Risks Major Economic Disruption From Russia's Gas Squeeze".

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  17. I see that the war in Ukraine, accompanied by the escalating devastating European energy crisis, is all about destroying the current post WW II world order and establishing the New World Order of the Tribulation Period with the Revived Roman Empire of the antichrist, which consist of 10 Southern European nations with Rome as the capital city, and the Gog-Magog (Ezekiel 38 and 39) coalition of Russia, Eastern European countries and Germany (Gomer).

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    1. Yes, as A.I. becomes self aware and conscious of itself!

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    2. The work of Carl Ludwigson, a Hebrew scholar points out that the land of Magog, along with the lands of Syria, Togarmah (Turkey), Meshech and Tubal, were all doing business with Tyre, six centuries before Christ. That territory was part of the Moslem Empire also, and as such, carries more weight in that context than does Russia, when it comes to this prophecy.

      According to Carl, the Hebrew word "rosh" is translated "head', or "chief", 423 times in the Old Testament. "Rosh" is not Russia. The word "nish", or prince has the accent which is disjunctive and indicates a pause.

      The correct Hebrew translation of Ezekiel 38:3, should read: "Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the prince, (pause) chief of Meshech and Tubal.

      All atlases of the Bible printed before the 1940's show the land of Magog to be in the northern part of Iraq, just north of Baghdad, and Meshech and Tubal are in the area that today is Turkey and portions of northern Syria as well as northern Iraq.

      It's clear that Gog (Antichrist, the Chief Prince), will be from Iraq and that he will become the Chief Prince (once again) of that portion of Turkey and the northern part of Syria along with Iraq, which again is the former Seleucid/Hashemite Kingdom, the kingdom grown out of the Moslem Empire, the seventh Empire on the land out of Babylon.

      The seventh kingdom, represented by the Feet, on Nebuchadnezzar's great image, historically, becomes the Moslem Empire (which was also split into two parts), and the toes, growing out of that Empire will be kingdoms, loosely united, from within the Roman portion of the Grecian Kingdom, that will fulfill the remainder of the prophecy of Daniel and Revelation.

      This prophecy is describing the Antichrist's kingdom! Gog, the spiritual prince , who is the chief of the lands that describe the Seleucid/Hashemite Kingdom, is who God is against, not Russia. It's Antichrist who comes down on Israel, not Russia. Russia may be allied to these nations, but in the end, Antichrist double crosses them all, and they wind up at Armageddon.

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    3. Gregg, this is interesting and no doubt, pivotal in completing this giant jigsaw puzzle!

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    4. With the announcement that Turkey had withdrawn its objections to Finland and Sweden joining NATO, the Kremlin announced the following today:

      "Russia will participate in liberating all occupied Syrian lands from Kurdish and Turkish militias. It will not allow the establishment of a Turkish buffer zone."

      This now sets Russia directly on a path to military confrontation with Turkey.

      The Turks have insisted there be at least a 30 mile "Buffer Zone" in northern Syria, into which no Kurdish may live or travel Turkey regards the Kurds and their political group the PKK, as "Terrorists."

      Not even one day after Turkey sold-out Russia by agreeing to withdraw objection to Finland and to Sweden becoming members of NATO (on Russia's border), the Russians now make clear Turkey's desires and goals inside Syria "will not be allowed."

      Wasn't there a prophecy: "When the Russians return to Constantinople, put on your sack cloth and pray; the return of the Messiah is near."

      With this new development, it is now a foreseeable consequence that Russia and Turkey might war, and that the Russians will return to Constantinople (now called Istanbul). This scenario throws a side-ball to Carl Ludwigson's view that it might not be Russia that is identified in the Gog/Magog prophecy.

      I dunno. Just spit-balling. In my estimation, if this happens, we still could be looking at Russia here.

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    5. .. spit-balling, jig-sawing n slip-sliding away into the slide zone,... slidin' safely into home base, score'n! and kickin' off the dust on our way to the dug out! All the whilst the banjo players are pickin' to beat the devil . . . . * graceland on the horizon, home sweet home ~ Shalom!

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  18. IDF official: Israel thwarted cyberattack targeting US power plants

    Quoting, i24news.tv,

    Israel halted hackers from attacking US power plants, the deputy chief of the Israeli army's signals intelligence branch, Unit 8200, said at Tel Aviv University’s annual cyber week on Wednesday.

    The IDF official said that his unit became aware of the cyber threat in the process of stopping another attack aimed at Israel.


    Meanwhile...

    NATO formally invites Finland and Sweden to become members of the alliance

    Quoting, CNN,

    NATO has formally invited Sweden and Finland to join the US-led military alliance, according to a statement from NATO Heads of State and Government on Wednesday.

    "Today, we have decided to invite Finland and Sweden to become members of NATO, and agreed to sign the Accession Protocols," the statement said.


    ...and...

    Israel heads towards snap election, Lapid poised to be PM

    Quoting, i24news.tv,

    Israel's parliament is expected to dissolve Wednesday, ending Prime Minister Naftali Bennett's year-long tenure and triggering a fifth election in less than four years that could see ex-prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu reclaim power.

    Barring an 11th hour shock agreement to save the coalition or form a new government within the existing parliament, Bennett's eight-party alliance is due to end by midnight, installing Foreign Minister Yair Lapid as prime minister.

    Hmmm....

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  21. Hey gang,

    I have an update on my calendar model studies to post but am having issue with changes in Blogger and how I proof-read the post. Look for the update shortly as I work through this little glitch.

    Blessings,

    PR

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  22. BUILDING ON THE MODEL

    In The Fig Tree, Imminence, And The Sureness Of The Pre-Trib Rapture (Part I) I introduce a model study that explores the end of the generation. This model was not conclusive and led to exploring alternative year counts of the generation as written by Moses through the Holy Spirit of G-D with the prophetic year count of 79 years or,

    360 prophetic days/year x 79 prophetic years = 28,440 prophetic days

    Again, the day count begins with the founding of the modern State of Israel on 5/14/1948 and adds the day count of the generation,

    Friday, May 14, 1948 + 28,440 prophetic days = Thursday, March 26, 2026

    This is an interesting date as six days later is Erev Pesach (Passover Eve) and Pesach (Passover), 2026. Three and a half days after the end of the count is 5/30/26. With this in mind I have been asking the question, "What marks the end of this generation and how is it manifest?" In this model I explore the death and resurrection of the two witnesses as that marker and manifestation. Their departure is then followed by the rise of the AC, midpoint, flight of the woman to the wilderness and more interestingly an expression of (Daniel 12:11),

    11 "And from the time that the
    daily sacrifice is taken away,
    and the abomination of desolation
    is set up, there shall be one
    thousand two hundred and
    ninety days."


    This day count is given by the LORD to Daniel in answering the question, "How long shall the fulfillment of these wonders be?" (Daniel 12:6 NKJV) Or to put it another way, "how long until the end?" This verse has always been key to my understanding the context of Daniel's question and the answer. How long until the end?

    One expression of an ending is measured from the midpoint of the tribulation which in this case is the departure of the two witnesses at the end of the generation. The model count of 79 prophetic years provides for the arrival of the two witnesses 1,260 days earlier,

    Monday, March 30, 2026 - 1,260 days = Monday, October 17, 2022

    ...which according to Chabad and Hebcal is Shmini Atzeret/Simchat Torah of this year. Taking this one step further we know that IF the third temple is built by 2026 and that the AC has enthroned itself declaring itself god then that this will most certainly mark the end of the daily sacrifices of the temple priests. This is given in the model as occurring on Nisan 5/6 or Sunday, April 5 to Monday, April 6, 2026. If this were the end that Daniel was told of by the LORD then,

    Sunday, April 5, 2026 - 1,290 prophetic days = Friday, September 23, 2022

    I certainly hope this date rings a bell to everyone.

    The day count from the daily sacrifice being taken away and the abomination that makes desolate is set up BACK to the beginning of the 1,290 day count lands us on the 5th Anniversary of the Revelation 12 Sign.

    The harpazo, according to this model, would be on the day so many of us thought it would be...just five years later than we thought.

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    1. A PIN-POINT: WHY 79 AS A MULTIPLIER?

      One question comes to mind, "Why 79 years for the generation?" A simple model in a spreadsheet demonstrates why. If you make a numbered list beginning with "1." through "80." Then create an adjacent count of intervals representing years. The first count for "1." would be year "0". Doing this creates a list of 80 years beginning with zero and ending with 79. Afterall, you're not one-year old until you're one right?

      So in this case the count of (360 prophetic/days * 79 years) gives us the 80 years we're looking for which is 28,440 days. The 80 years is composed of 79 intervals of days (360 times). Consider this it makes sense in context of (Psalm 90:10),

      10 The days of our years
      are seventy; or if because
      of strength, they are eighty
      years, yet their pride is
      but trouble and wretchedness;
      for it is soon cut off, and
      we fly away.

      (Psalm 90:10 TNK)


      Hmmmm, the more you look at this passage of Scripture, here from the Tanakh (TNK), the more it reflects the passage of time to a given point of days which is punctuated by death a cutting-off (cessation) and flight. Sounds a lot like the mid-point of the Tribulation doesn't it?

      ...and there is yet more to share.

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  23. BUILDING ON THE MODEL (Continued)

    NOTE: I am really picking this model apart and have done it several times so far. It requires further study and I invite others to join in too. The purpose of the model is to better understand Scripture and how it all fits together. Dates are a byproduct of the study not the goal of the study. I am not trying to pinpoint the day of our Blessed Hope. I am simply trying to describe the days and timing of Biblical events as may be aligned with our calendar. Dates suggested by the model have to be taken with a grain of salt as it were. A copy of the model will be made available as soon as I have fleshed out the Scriptural annotations...but please know this...

    The 2,550 day count from beginning to end of this model,

    Thursday, September, 22, 2022 + 2,550 days = Saturday, September 15, 2029

    The model uses an evening/morning layout for marking days and aligns Gregorian to Hebrew (civil) calendars. The civil calendar is basically the Pharisee calendar by which the LORD fulfilled the Feast of First Fruits. Remember that Hebrew days begin at sunset so the 23rd can be understood as beginning on the evening before on the 22nd. This is well established in all Hebrew calendars especially when marking the appointed times. Guess what day Saturday, September 15, 2029 is?

    Shabbat Shuva, "Sabbath of her return"

    The count ends on the Shabbat immediately BEFORE Yom Kippur, 2029. This would be the Glorious Second Coming of Christ Jesus.

    Finally, the last piece of the model points to the 1,335th day, Saturday, December 1, 2029 on Hanukkah I. The Feast of Dedication, the Festival of Lights.

    I am excited at the findings pouring out of this model and am diving deeper into it not begin dogmatic on what it suggests but in how to understand Scripture and spend more quality time with God in focused study.

    May your study time be blessed as well!


    PR

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  24. FUN FACT: EIGHTY-SIX

    Israel: Parliament votes to dissolve, Lapid to become PM

    Quoting, i24news.tv,

    Fifth round of elections since 2019 scheduled for November 1

    Israel's parliament, the Knesset, dissolved on Thursday, after a series of delays.

    In the final votes, the Knesset was dispersed, meaning Foreign Minister and Alternate Prime Minister Yair Lapid will take the helm as interim prime minister at midnight, and will remain as such until a new government is formed.


    Thus, the government has fallen yet again in Israel.

    Looking at the model (above) the government fell 86 days before the 5th Anniversary of the Great Sign of Revelation 12 with that anniversary being the suggested beginning of the Tribulation per this model...the foundation of Israel + 79 years according to (Psalm 90:10).

    FUN FACT: Eighty-six is the number of the Name of G-D as first given in Hebrew Scripture in (Genesis 1:1) being "אלהים". The name itself mechanically translates to "the powerful ones" and though rendered as a masculine plural is understood as singular. This is a hint as to the three-in-one persons of God which are Father, Son and Holy Spirit. "אלהים" is a five (5) letter word and we are at the eve of the fifth anniversary of the Great Sign.

    Yes, but what is special about 86?

    It is 86 days from Shavuot, 2022 to the 5th Anniversary of R12S. 37 days prior to Shavuot was the Bethlehem Star/Solar Eclipse. (That's equivalent to 888 hours with 888 being the number of the Name Jesus "Ιησούς" in Greek). 888 hours, or 37 days prior to the Bethlehem Star this year was the Spring Day of Remembrance on the calendar of the Essenes (Zadok Priests). They give us the Order of Melchizedek of which Jesus is Priest, King and Prophet forever. Thirty-seven, by the way, is a watermark number in Scripture (12th prime number) just as 73 is (21st prime number). It's found all over the place.

    Why so much about numbers? Because Hebrew and Greek letters are numbers! They have direct numeric value thus G-D wrote in letters and numeric values of letters, words and phrases.

    And that's your fun fact for the day!

    Blessings,


    PR

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    1. TO ERR IS HUMAN...

      There is a reason why we need to proof-read posts and here's an example. Quoting, my last (above), "It is 86 days from Shavuot, 2022 to the 5th Anniversary of the R12S."

      This is incorrect.

      In my haste I failed to catch this. The day count from Shavuot, 2022 to Friday, September 23, 2022 is 111 days. That's a count/number that keeps showing up but that is not the point. The point was that from the FALL of the government in Israel (yesterday) to Friday, September 23, 2022 is 86 days.

      I could have just deleted the post and fixed it. Instead, I felt it better to own my humanity and share this fact...

      We are better and stronger as a community that shares and works together. I am not perfect nor do I claim to be. When I share information I try to do it in such a way that anyone can follow along, check the data and correct if needed. In this case the LORD Himself pointed me to it and I'm owning it accordingly.

      Therefore I shall boast of my weakness. For my weakness is strength through Christ Jesus! Of that I am sure so may we encourage and support one another as we see the coming Day.

      Blessings, as always!

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    2. thats Powerful stuff Pastor Rich,...thank you Jesus! truly *

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  25. ANOTHER FUN FACT

    The stargazer in me cannot help but note that we are in a new moon. You may recall that we just had a Blood Moon (on Pesach Sheni), then a Super Moon (June) and will have another Super Moon this month (July). The New Moon in between these Super Moons is what we call a Micromoon where the moon is at its distant point from the Earth in its orbit. Basically the opposite of the Super Moon which is when it is at its nearest. The Micromoon looks smaller but will appear to grow larger as it gets closer mid-month.

    And what has been happening on Earth during this Micromoon?

    1. Finland and Sweden are officially invited to join NATO
    2. The 24th Knesset is dissolved in Israel
    3. Yair Lapid is sworn in as the 14th Prime Minister of Israel
    4. New elections are called in Israel on 11/1

    ...and all of this over one Micromoon.

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    1. great comment, caused me to chuckle :)
      to think we are leavin' sometime soon to cross the ocean of being and rondevous w Yahweh and them almost seems unbelievable! i can see why folks don't believe it. You have got to be,... in the know! w/ your sins turning whiter than snow ~ Lord keep us!

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    2. in looking back at these comments PR, i hope you know that when i said that i chuckled after reading your comment above, well it was simply the last line that tickled me up a bit where you said, "...and all of this over one micromoon". that hit my funny bone! now as i go back and read the comments you laid forth that lead up to this comment i see the intensity of 'All' that your are pointing out here! This study is altogether heavy duty and now i need to think it thru and really try and grasp its actual significance. i kinda thought you were pointing to mid trib escape! i better go back and refocus and face the challenge of reading comprehension,... back i go, wish me luck!

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    3. I'm happy to provide a laugh Ozark. It's all good! But yes, there is a serious side to this thread in the core questions I'm asking and exploring. After the core model was completed I thought that it was done in error. I soon realized that something else entirely was going on and continued to build on it. Another post is waiting in the wings concerning the 28,440th day and what the LORD shared with me over lunch.

      Look for that as soon as I have a break time to compose the message. In the meantime, duty calls!

      Keep smiling as our Redeemer draws near! Help is on the way and it has a name. His Name is Jesus!!!

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    4. a full 80 yrs = 80 x 360 = 28,800days like you said! a full 10 yrs = 360 x 10 = 3,600days! a full year = 1 x 360 = 360days! If you start at birth on day 1 of year zero then you turn 10 yrs. old on the first day of year 11 at the sec., min. and hour of your birth. You are fully 10 yrs old at that point and the sec. after that moment in time starts your 11th yr. and 24 hrs. later you will have just completed your first day of your 11th year so at this point you are 10 and 1/360th yrs old... and you will not be 11 until 359 more days pass, when your 11th yr. is fully complete and one sec. later your 12th yr. begins! As it is w/ our 79th year doesn't complete itself fully until the day we turn 80, 28,800 days from the moment of our birth at year zero - where one second after we begin our 81st year and we wont fully reach 81 years for another 360 full days. So with 3,600 days per decade x 8 decades = 28,800 days at the end of 80 full years starting at year zero. We have 0-10, 10-20...60-70, 70-80. this seems on target to me,.. did i get this right? is this what you are saying as well Pastor? or are we one yr. different from one another on our calculations?

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    5. Forgive me as I am not a mathematician by trade but yes, I think we're on the same page here. The generation would turn 80 on day 28,800. Until then the generation is 79 living in their pride, trouble and wretchedness; "for it is soon cut off and we fly away." (Psalm 90:10 TNK)

      To your earlier comment about a mid-trib harpazo? Yes, and no. Yes, that this is a mid-trib harpazo of the two witnesses. No, it is not the Church. The Church is gone 1,290 days BEFORE the daily sacrifice is, "taken away, and the abomination that makes desolate be set up". (Daniel 12:11 TNK) Per the model as-is this would be on or about April 5, 2026 or in the midst of the Feast of Unleavened Bread. That date marks where Moses writes, "and we fly away" in (Psalm 90:10).

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    6. ...and by "fly away" I am asking the LORD if that is reference to the flight of the woman (Israel) into the wilderness where she will be nourished 1,260 days?

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    7. Good Question that you are asking the Lord. i am soo intrigued by this! Such fascinating drama of magnificent proportions ~ ~ ~

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  26. Lyn has a new Post, looks Good,.. "Sign Line ends in 2022" www.lynmelvin.blogspot.com

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  27. Substance & Shadow
    Sign Of The Messiah

    In the Book of Jonah. Events in Jonah's life foreshadow events in the future that Jesus, Himself, said determine the sign of the Messiah. Matt 12: 38-41.

    Jesus is clearly defining the 'substance' in Jonah's life that is casting the 'shadow' into the future of how to identify the Messiah when he comes; namely, death and the remaining in the tomb for three days, and resurrection back to life on the third day.

    Let's compare the 'substance' in Jonah's life to the fulfillment in Jesus' life.

    What Jonah did as the "Substance"
    Jonah lived
    Jonah was obedient to the death
    Jonah gave his life for others to live
    Jonah died
    Jonah was in his tomb for three days
    Jonah was resurrected on the third day
    Jonah decreed a 40 day warning from God to repent after his resurrection

    What Jesus did as the "Shadow"
    Jesus lived
    Jesus was obedient to the death
    Jesus gave His life for others to live
    Jesus died
    Jesus was in His tomb for three days
    Jesus was resurrected on the third day
    Jesus decreed a warning as God for a 40 day period after His resurrection

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  28. The Feasts Of The Jews

    Additionally, by His death, burial and resurrection, Jesus is simultaneously fulfilling [as the substance] another group of shadows that were cast by God for the Jews. They are known as the Feasts of the Jews. These are the 'set times' established by God for the Jews and were partially intended for them to be able to recognize their Messiah when He came.

    The Apostle Paul speaks directly to this issue when speaking about the Feasts he says in Col 2:17 "they are shadows of things to come, but the substance is Christ."

    There are Seven Feasts of the Jews given to them by God through Moses.

    Jesus fulfilled the first four at His first coming. They include:

    Jewish Feast And "Shadow" Cast

    Passover: Salvation - Blood - Obedience
    Unleavened Bread: Overcoming corruption and evil
    First Fruits: Presenting a sheaf of wheat from the first harvest
    Pentecost: New offering 50 days after First Fruits of the completed loaf of bread from the sheaf of wheat

    Jesus Fulfills As "Substance"

    Passover: Jesus provides salvation through His blood
    Unleavened Bread: Jesus overcame corruption and evil but not for himself
    First Fruits: Jesus is the sheaf of the first harvest of Resurrection
    Pentecost: Jesus was the new offering made by the Apostles 50 days after First Fruits

    And again we see how the word of God is the substance issuing the Feast Days; and the Feast Days are cast forth as the shadows. And then Jesus comes as the substance and fulfills the shadows of these first four Feast Days.

    And even though Jesus fulfilled these additional signs of their Messiah, the Jews still would not accept Him. And the Apostle John confirms this in John 1:11 which states:

    "He came unto his own, and his own received him not."

    This is why God revealed the mystery of the Church to Paul. The Jews refused God's Messiah, so God called on Paul to establish the Christian Church who would accept Jesus as their Messiah.

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  29. So, can we know the day when the Rapture of the Church will occur?

    Is your answer automatically: "...no man knoweth the day or the hour..." which is in part quoting Matthew 24:36 or Mark 13:32 which says:

    "But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only."

    Without exception, this is the most traditionally quoted scripture when confirming that we cannot know the timing of the Rapture of the Church. I say traditionally because tradition is defined as:

    1. an inherited, established, or customary pattern of thought, action, or behavior (as a religious practice or a social custom)

    2. the handing down of information, beliefs, and customs by word of mouth or by example from one generation to another without written instruction

    And this scripture ['no man knoweth'] is an established, customary pattern of thought that has been handed down from one generation to another in emphasizing and confirming that we cannot know the day the Rapture of the Church will occur.

    So, based on the authority of that scripture the 'timing' of the Rapture of the Church has been left a mystery to all believers, including the very people to whom it will some day apply.

    And all that would be fine if the Rapture was in fact the subject of Jesus' conversation when He uttered those words: "But of that day and hour knoweth no man..."

    But was that the subject of His conversation? The answer lies in the scripture itself.
    So, let's go into the scripture of Matt 24 and find out.

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  30. So here in verse 3 we find the Apostles asking Jesus questions that He then proceeds to answer throughout the remaining verses of the chapter.

    "and what shall be the sign of thy coming"

    The 'coming' of Jesus being asked about here is of His 'second coming' not the Rapture of the Church. The Apostles could not have been asking Jesus about the Rapture of the Church as they had no knowledge at this time of the promise of Rapture. The promise of Rapture was told to Paul much later.

    The Second coming of Christ and the Rapture of the Church are two separate events that take place on opposite ends of the seven year tribulation period. The Rapture precedes the seven year tribulation period and the Second Coming concludes it.

    All of the study that we do in Matt 24 confirms in detail that Jesus is explaining to the Apostles of His second coming at the conclusion of the seven year tribulation period when He says in verses 29-30: Matt 24:29-30

    And in verse 35 Jesus goes one step further in the time frame of future events when He says to them, "Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away." Jesus is emphasizing that His word lasts forever; even longer then the time when heaven and earth will pass away.

    And now, immediately after v.35 where Jesus has just told them that heaven and earth will pass away, we come to verse 36 and He says:

    "But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only."

    That is the day that 'no man knoweth'. The day when heaven and earth pass away!

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  31. Caution: Watch for the 40 Day Warning Sign of Rapture

    In the Apostle Paul's first letter to the Church at Thessalonica, he told them that before the Rapture would occur an event would take place that would leave no doubt of the impending Rapture. He told them to watch for "the dead in Christ to rise first"!

    I Thes. 4:16
    For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first.

    This is an event that will mimic an event that took place at the time of Jesus' resurrection and is recorded in the Gospel of Matthew, Chapter 27, and verses 52& 53.

    Matt 27:52,53
    27:52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which were dead arose,

    27:53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

    Known dead people will be brought back to life in a 'spiritual' body and appear to living people in Jerusalem. That is the Gospel account of what happened the first time, and it is what Paul is empathically explaining to watch for this time.

    Additionally the Gospel records, that after Jesus raised from the dead He remained on earth for 40 days and then He ascended into heaven. Paul is explaining that this is the same sequence of events that will take place at the time of the Rapture of the Church. He is demonstrating that the Ascension of Jesus into heaven is indisputably linked as a foreshadow to the Rapture of the Church. And, because the Church is called the Body of Christ this is said to be the 'Body of Christ' going up into heaven in both instances.

    Paul is also saying that from the time the 'dead in Christ' raise from the dead this time, they will stay on earth for 40 days [just like their predecessors did in Matthew 27: 52,53] and then they will be Raptured along with those that are a live and waiting for the 40th day to arrive. The living are waiting for the 40th day because they knew the warning sign had taken place 40 days prior.

    And lastly, Paul sets the timing for both the 'dead in Christ to rise' as well as the Rapture when he says that Jesus Christ rose from the dead on the Jewish Feast of First Fruits and ascended 40 days later. That interpolates into the 'dead in Christ' will rise this time on the Jewish Feast of First Fruits and the Rapture of the Church will happen 40 days later. And all that comes together to say that the WARNING SIGN for the Rapture of the Church is the 'dead in Christ' rising on First Fruits!

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    1. T^his is plain and simple to see and figure, like how people say, 'go figure'! its Obvious, or so it seems to me. i have a hard time letting go of this lay out. So,... when will we see the dead in Christ rise from their graves? is it after the Peace n Safety cry? and does that coincide w the breaking of the Abrahamic Covenant bringing forth the 2 state solution(final solution)? humm... where do we go from here? Will the man of sin(son of perdition) and a betyrayl happen in accord w/ this 2 state solution?,or do we need to wait till an Abomination of Desolation, of another sort takes place in a time period when there is a rebuilt temple? Or,.... is the temple already here on earth perhaps at Saint Peters Basilica in Rome? i know that probably sounds rediculous! please consider watching a video of short duration on Revelation 18 called, "Babylon is fallen, fallen." over at www.vaticancatholic.com for starters and then another video at the same site called, "Endtimes temple of God" to see why i would suggest such a strange thought. /// i put my wondering thoughts in there not to ruin what Gregg put forth but just in addition to, as a possibility for dealing with the Where do we go fron here question. This is altogether, larger than life Wonderous to ponder. Shalom folks and Great Thanks Gregg for your incredible comments above^ ... lets say i'm way off w the ideas presented in the videos i refered to. . . . ok fine but what and where do we go in scripture for the answers to the rest of the story? Them videos aren't hard to take necessarily.

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  32. You Say "Paul is also saying that from the time the 'dead in Christ' raise from the dead this time, they will stay on earth for 40 days"

    I say "Were is this written in the Bible?" I don't see this in scripture

    Kind regard, Patrick

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    1. The Ascension of Jesus Christ into Heaven is the foreshadow of the Rapture of the Christian Church!

      It is the 'Body of Christ' going up into Heaven in both instances!

      The 'substance and shadow' of God's word also reveals the WARNING sign that precedes the Rapture by 40 days. The Apostle Paul when writing to the Thessalonian Church regarding the Rapture says:

      I Thes. 4:16
      For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first.

      These 'dead in Christ' will rise 40 days before the Rapture, and they will go into Jerusalem and witness to living people that Jesus is the Messiah. How do I know this? Because it happened before! In the Gospel of Matthew where it is talking about Jesus coming out of the tomb it says:

      Matt 27:52,53:
      27:52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which were dead arose,

      27:53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

      What Jesus Did As The "Substance"
      Jesus resurrected on the Jewish Feast of First fruits and others resurrected with Him. Matt 27:52,53
      Jesus and those that rose with Jesus stayed on earth 40 days and appeared to many people in Jerusalem and declared. Jesus' resurrection as well as their own and proclaimed Him to be the Jews Messiah.
      Jesus Ascended bodily into Heaven on the 40th day after the Jewish Feast of First Fruits and at the same time also led those into Heaven who had risen with Him. Acts 1:9 Psalm 68:18

      What Paul Saw As The "Shadow"
      Paul saw the 'dead in Christ' being resurrected on the Jewish Feast of First fruits IThes 4:16 Col 2:17
      Paul saw the 40 day time period when he uses the word 'then' in IThes 4:17 to separate the raising of the dead in Christ from the joining of them to the living believers in Christ prior to both of them meeting Jesus in the air.
      Paul saw the Body of Christ, the Church, both those that were resurrected and those that were alive at the time, ascending into Heaven or being Raptured on the 40th day after the Jewish Feast of First fruits. IThes 4:16,17 Col 2:17

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  33. And secondly, I can't agree with what's being said here: "Jonah was obedient to the death''

    What Jonah did as the "Substance"
    Jonah lived
    Jonah was obedient to the death
    Jonah gave his life for others to live
    Jonah died
    Jonah was in his tomb for three days
    Jonah was resurrected on the third day
    Jonah decreed a 40 day warning from God to repent after his resurrection

    Jonah wasn't obedient first! How can you compare that to our Lord Jesus?
    Jonah 1
    But Jonah rose up to flee unto Tarshish from the presence of the LORD, and went down to Joppa; and he found a ship going to Tarshish: so he paid the fare thereof, and went down into it, to go with them unto Tarshish from the presence of the LORD.

    And after his experience and lesson in the belly of the fish, even then he was angry at the Lord!
    Jonah 4
    1 But it displeased Jonah exceedingly*, and he was very angry.
    2 And he prayed unto the LORD, and said, I pray thee, O LORD, was not this my saying, when I was yet in my country? Therefore I fled before unto Tarshish: for I knew that thou art a gracious God, and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness, and repentest thee of the evil.
    3 Therefore now, O LORD, take, I beseech thee, my life from me; for it is better for me to die than to live.

    Jonah gave his life for others to live, no the shipman tossed him into the sea and he didn't die!

    You are implementing a form of eisegesis, that is not correct!

    Kind regards,

    Patrick

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    1. Patrick

      How do we know that Jonah died? The simple answer is: Because Jesus died. Jesus pointed at Jonah and said:

      "I'll do what he did to prove that I came from God".

      And then Jesus did what Jonah did: He died. They both died!

      Jesus completes the sign of Jonah through His death and resurrection, and thus confirms He is fulfilling the role of the Messiah to the Jews. But the Jews refused to accept Him as their Messiah.

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  34. MODELS

    The reason why I like working with models is that it allows one to take Scripture and lay it against a temporal calendar. God created time when He spoke light into darkness separating them into Day and Night,

    5 God called the light Day, and
    the darkness he called Night.
    And there was evening and
    there was morning, the first day.

    (Genesis 1:5 ESV)


    So what does it look like to overlay Scripture to a calendar system? Can it fit? Does it fit? How does it fit? How many ways can it fit? There are many questions to ask on this path. God is the God of all possibilities. With God, all things are possible. Thus, short of special revelation from the LORD Himself we're not likely to get it right. Even so, we would not be able to prove any model was right until the Day comes short of Divine proof. By then it won't matter as we'll be Home.

    So what do we have then?

    We have a special opportunity at time in the Word with the Creator of heaven and earth asking the Big questions by prayer and supplication of the teacher of teacher, giver of all wisdom and knowledge.

    We have time in the Word with God.

    This is why I build models. To see how it all fits together. Sometimes models "appear" to fit as the one I'm currently working with does. Sometimes they don't fit at all. At all times we watch, listen and follow, pointing others to Jesus as He taught us to.

    So gather your tools, get out your Bibles and start pulling in every piece of Scripture you can to build a framework and see where it leads you. Share and explore praying the Spirit as your guide.

    Happy hunting!

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  35. Jonah did not die when he was in the belly of the fish. The fish later vomited him out as commanded by God. The earth is not flat either.

    A little leaven leavens the whole lump of dough. Beware of false prophets and wolves in sheeps' clothing.

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    1. When you take off the blinders of Tradition in both cases, you'll see it clearly!

      The prince of the power of the air has the permission to lie about everything!

      Try an Earth Curvature Calculator from the internet and punch in some figures and find out for your self.

      Suez Canal which is 100 miles long and joins the Mediterranean Sea to the Red Sea:
      It has no locks and no allowance for the supposed curvature of the Earth was made during its construction. It is one hundred miles of flat waterway. If the Earth were a globe, then the middle of the canal would be 1666 feet higher than either end and instead of a canal there would be a dry mountain in the way.

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    2. fascinatingly challenging ~

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    3. A friend of mine, retired USAF and World War II veteran now departed, was discussed in a book by an author acquaintance of mine in one of his books. The author stated that my friend was killed in action over Germany. That came as much the surprise to my pilot buddy who not only served his tour in Europe but later served in the CIA, DIA and NRO in the United States Government.

      Point being...

      Just because you read it on the Internet or in print doesn't mean it's true.

      Dig for yourself and know the LORD your God personally and with confidence. He is the giver of all wisdom and knowledge and His Word is true.

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    4. Carl Sagan - Cosmos - Eratosthenes

      A six minute video segment; fun memories from my youth and the story of one who asked questions and dug to find answers. Remember, the Great Library of Alexandria is where we get the LXX (Septuagint) -- the Greek translation of the Torah.

      Enjoy!

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  36. JONAH

    The verse that most will point to indicating Jonah's death is found in the second chapter which begins,

    2 "I called out to the LORD out
    of my distress, and he answered
    me; out of the belly of Sheol I
    cried, and you heard my voice.

    (Jonah 2:2 ESV)

    ...which continues,

    5 The waters closed in over me
    to take my life; the deep surrounded
    me; weeds were wrapped about my
    head

    6 at the roots of the mountains. I
    went down to the land whose bars
    closed upon me forever; yet you
    brought up my life from the pit,
    O LORD my God.

    7 When my life was fainting away,
    I remembered the LORD, and my
    prayer came to you, in your holy
    temple.

    (Jonah 2:5-7 ESV)


    A key phrase here is, "belly of Sheol" which is rendered, ("מִבֶּ֧טֶן שְׁא֛וֹל") and literally means, "belly, body, womb" of "underworld (place to which people descend at death)".

    Whether Jonah was dead or near death may not be as important as the sign of being swallowed by death. Hebrew thought is about function. Being swallowed by and surrounded by death may be seen as having the same function as being in the grave. Because of verse seven I tend to side that Jonah was as near death as one can get or "as good as dead" as it were.

    But make no mistake. Jesus died. He was physically dead and absolutely descended into, "מִבֶּ֧טֶן שְׁא֛וֹל" whereupon He set the captives free! Free indeed, and rose on the morning of the third day.

    Blessings,

    PR




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  37. TIMING OF THE HARPAZO - LIVING AND DEAD IN CHRIST

    16 For the Lord Himself will descend
    from heaven with a shout, with the
    voice of an archangel, and with the
    trumpet of God. And the dead in
    Christ will rise first.

    17 Then we who are alive and
    remain shall be caught up together
    with them in the clouds to meet
    the Lord in the air. And thus
    we shall always be with the Lord.

    (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 CSB)


    In Greek verse 17 states,

    ἔπειτα ἡμεῖς οἱ ζῶντες οἱπεριλειπόμενοι ἅμα σὺν αὐτοῖς ἁρπαγησόμεθα ἐν νεφέλαις...

    ...literally being,

    Then we the living the remaining together with them will be caught away in clouds...

    Find the interlinear translation of this verse HERE with linked concordance.

    A keyword here is, "ἅμα" which as an adverb means, at the same time, therewith, along with, together with. Here's Strong's Concordance for "ἅμα",

    Strong's Concordance (G260)
    hama: at once
    Original Word: ἅμα
    Part of Speech: Adverb
    Transliteration: hama
    Phonetic Spelling: (ham'-ah)
    Definition: at once
    Usage: at the same time, therewith, along with, together with.

    NAS Exhaustive Concordance
    Word Origin: a prim. word
    Definition: at once

    NASB Translation
    early (1), same time (5), together (3).


    No delay is indicated in the resurrection of the dead in Christ v the living. This is a singular event that happens almost simultaneously.

    Could it happen on Ascension Day? Could be. With God, all things are possible. Try building models of it that pull in Daniel, Matthew and Revelation. Who knows what may be found?

    PR

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  38. Jonah was in the whale or whatever it was for three days and three nights. Of course he was dead.

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  39. Here it is July, anyone wondering why were still here? I know im a bit confused.

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    1. We're still here because it's His time not ours.

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