A Plausible Chronology
Notably, this chronology shifts from using the civil Tishri to Elul calendar to the biblical Nisan to Adar calendar. The motivation is threefold: first, because God explicitly states that Nisan will be the first month for Israel (Ex. 12:1–2); second, because in the context of Shmita cycles and jubilees, Tishri is regarded as the seventh and not the first month (Lev. 25:8–9); and third, because historical types and shadows of the Abomination of Desolation have occurred in the mid-summer to mid-winter timeframe, rather than the mid-winter to mid-summer timeframe (while many focus on the Passover season in this regard, historical occurrences have occurred in the opposite half of the year: think both Temple destructions, Av 9, Antiochus/Hanukkah, the Nazi Wannsee Conference, etc).
In the document below, you can scroll to the right to see additional notes and references. Maranatha!
I'm curious as to where you get the idea that Adam fell 33 years after creation. The Bible doesn't give us any idea. The Book of Jubilees claims Adam fell 7 years, 2 months and 17 days after creation.
ReplyDeleteWe have an eclipse this year on April 8, which incidentally is Nisan 1.
It's not my place to answer, as the question was not directed at me, but I think you'll find the solution by tying those 33 years of Adam's innocence to the generally accepted age of Jesus before the cross. The "second Adam" existing in earthly innocence for that same amount of time.
DeleteAnd then, of course, there's all of the math homework that goes along with bringing all of that into sync with the various calendars, timelines, and historical evidence.
Jeremy
Thanks for the question! It's what's gleaned from the millennial day-age assumption (i.e., history reflects the days of creation; 1,000 = 1 day). If 2031 is the year of Christ's return, which seems very plausible if AD 31 was the year He departed, then working back 6,000 years brings us to a point *after* creation if the traditional creation date is held. Establishing Adam's age as 33 at the Fall was not the point, but that turned up to be an interesting happenstance corresponding with Jesus' age when He reversed the Fall.
DeleteI paused over this question as well, because it might potentially be a source of a certain discrepancy as far as I can see, stemming from Genesis 1. Over here we have an account of creation, going day by day. For context, I don't subscribe to any day-age type theory as I don't see a reason to believe they are anything but literal 24-hour days.
DeleteIn Genesis 1:24-31 there is an account of creation done on the 6th day, written in a similar pattern to the other days, starting with "And God said..." ending with "And there was evening, and there was morning—the 6th day".
Sandwiched in this day-account is a blessing in Genesis 1:28 - "God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”".
I personally don't see any reason to believe that this was after the fall, as all the rest of Genesis 1 speaks directly of the moments of creation, there is no indication verse 28 is "incongruous" or outside the chronology of the creation account.
If we agree on that, it would mean that God blessed Adam and Eve on the day of creation (6th day) to be fruitful and multiply. If that were the case and we simultaneously take into consideration the 33-year-creation-fall gap hypothesis, it would mean that either:
A. God spoke this blessing on the 6th day and then "paused"(?) it for 33 years until the introduction of sin into the world
or
B. Adam and Eve could have potentially multiplied for 33 years before the fall, which as far as we know (and from the plain reading of Scriptures) they didn't - why not?
I don't very much like option A as I don't think God's creation blessings are contingent on the existence of sin. Surely the Lord created the world in such a way that it could have functioned in a way similar to now, except without evil and death. Overpopulation wouldn't be a problem, as it could be prevented through natural fertility reduction with increasing population, which is something that can be observed even in this fallen world.
That would leave option B or some kind of variation of it. I don't like the idea of Adam and Eve having children pre-fall at all, as it introduces a cargo ship's worth of theological and scriptural problems (where are they? why aren't they mentioned? did they eat of the fruit too? ...), so that would pretty much only leave the option that they simply didn't multiply for 33 years in "defiance" of God's blessing (slightly "provocative" wording intended - it would mean they waited for 33 years to obey God's blessing/command and only acted on it AFTER the introduction of sin - disobedience - which is quite paradoxical).
I don't think it's likely they didn't understand what God meant by "multiply" because apparently even the animals did instinctively (and if He knew they wouldn't understand - He wouldn't tell them, or He would have explained it better).
Please understand I'm not trying to knock Gary's timeline, these are my genuine thoughts and if there is a resolution to this problem, I will happily accept it, as I, like many others, have (by secular reckoning) a completely failed life and wish for nothing but to be with the Lord. My prayers are with anyone feeling the same way (like Jeremy in the comment below) and I ask anyone reading this to keep me in your prayers too.
Thank you,
-Matt
Great thoughts and insight, Matt. I think you raise some important points.
DeleteThe truth is, the Bible doesn't say one way or another how long Adam spent in Eden before the Fall. We can only conjecture. Was it a short time? A long time? Either possibility raises concerns, although whatever the truth is, it is reconcilable—even if not explicitly taught—in Scripture.
I've been seriously chewing on this question for the past few years after the possibility was raised that the Fall might have occurred decades, rather than mere years or months, after creation (namely, because of the twin Rev. 12 / Gen. 3:15-16 Signs of 3974 and 3915 BC).
Interestingly, the Bible makes no explicit claim that Cain was the firstborn, although it seems self-evident (first birth mentioned in Scripture besides prophecy itself in Gen. 3:15-16). We can be sure his birth occurred after the Fall (Gen. 4 vs. 3), *after* Adam and Eve left the Garden. Moreover, Cain was reprobate, further indicating he was born after the Fall. Further, Eve's response to the birth of Cain seems indicative of the firstborn: "With the help of the Lord I have brought forth a man" (4:1).
Besides not knowing exactly how long Adam was in the Garden pre-Fall, we also do not know his [apparent] age at creation. Scripture (Genesis 5) appears to count Adam's age from his creation, not taking into account his apparent age (i.e., he was not created as an infant since he married and named animals on the very day of his creation).
So, to the point you raised: how could Adam and Eve possibly have lasted 33 years without reproducing? A possible answer is, I think, found in Genesis 5. It's the list of the antediluvian patriarchs. Excluding Enoch who did not taste death, the average age of these patriarchs who lived and died entirely before the Flood was 907.5 years. The youngest was Lamech (who died at 777) and the oldest Methuselah (969). The first three consecutive patriarchs born entirely after the Flood—Arphaxad, Shelah, and Eber—lived less than half the average (mid-400s). Then came Peleg who lived during the time of Babel. He died in his 200s, as did his son Reu and grandson Serug.
Now here's the point I'm making: not only did the antediluvian patriarchs live far, far longer than the postdiluvian patriarchs, but their BEGETTING AGES were much greater, as well. In fact, not just twice as old, but three, four, or five TIMES as old.
Now Adam had Seth when he was 130. We don't know how old Adam was when he had Cain and Abel, so let's scratch him from our list. It's an unknown. But Seth 105, Enosh 90, Kenan 70, Mahalalel 65, Jared 162, Enoch 65, Methuselah 187, Lamech 182, and Noah 502.
After the Flood, all the patriarchs had begetting ages in their 20s or 30s, a mere fraction of the antediluvian begetting ages. In Genesis 5 and 11 we can't necessarily determine which sons in the list were firstborn, but probability dictates some were. Moreover, if they represent a mixed sampling of firstborn, middle, youngest, etc, then these begetting ages are still useful in comparing antediluvian and postdiluvian reproduction cycles.
The youngest antediluvian begetting age is Enoch's at 65. The oldest is Noah's at 502. The average is 156.
The youngest postdiluvian begetting age is Nahor at 29. The oldest is Abraham at 100 (which was an issue of infertility). Note that Terah may have had Abraham anywhere from age 70 to ~180 (Scripture doesn't say exactly). Assuming Terah had Abraham sometime between 70 and 180, the average postdiluvian begetting age is only 48, less than one-third of the antediluvian.
DeleteThis gulf becomes even greater when excluding outliers and focusing on the medians. If we exclude Mahalalel and Enoch who begot young, and Terah and Abraham who begot old, our begetting age comparison looks more like: 162 vs. 30. That's an antediluvian begetting age 5.4 times greater than postdiluvian.
The point is twofold: First, we simply don't know a lot about the pre-Flood world. It was certainly different. People lived incredibly long, largely disease-free lives. Comparing our clocks to theirs is a bit like apples and oranges. Second, pre-Flood begetting ages were much, much greater than our own... we're talking three, four, or five times greater. I would argue this is indicative of much slower biological processes: not only of aging, but also of reproduction. People simply didn't have kids in their thirties or forties. As to why this was, see point #1 again: the pre-Flood world was vastly different from our own.
Gary, have you check Stellarium App? I talk about the time Yehoshua was age 1 y.o. is Year -5 / Month 3 / Day 20 (-5/March/20) and OF you count 33 years it will reach the year 27. That's mean 27 + 2000years it will be 2027 the End of 7 years! So, the Great Tribulation( Jacob's Trouble) the second of 3,5 years will start on this 2024! It will match what happen on 2020: Peace Aggrement - Abraham Accord & PEY Decade & The First time Israel experienced Lockdown at Home like the First Passover & Pandemic!
DeleteProblem is, the 70th Week is a 7-year period and it hasn't started yet, so unfortunately 2027 is a bit to early.
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ReplyDeletePersonally, I want to type out loud and say that my family has just had the worst 8 months of my entire life. And although I am confident that the Day of the Lord is drawing nearer, and although this really isn't the first best place for prayer requests, I am not too proud to beg each of you for a moment's pause and consideration. It's really come to the point where a firm reliance on God's hand is the only alternative. But what a thing to have available!
I know it's not too much to ask from my extended family here, but I thank you from the bottom of my heart for hearing me out, and for your time. I've learned a lot from seeing these last months go by, and it's been a rough journey. But I also know that victory is always guaranteed at the end of the story, when you know the author and finisher of our faith. And our fears are tempered with that faith, whatever the outcome.
Anyway, I would appreciate your prayers and thoughts, and I offer the same for each of you. It seems that everywhere I turn, life is getting significantly and exponentially harder for the people that I encounter, and as much as I would love a good and timely PreTribulation Rapture, it's a bittersweet thing to hope for. I pray that the binding on the Book of Life is bursting from fullness. And that you are also finding some measure of peace with each passing "high-watch" day.
Thank you.
Jeremy
Absolutely, prayers up, Jeremy. I can't imagine Gary/Jeff would have any hesitation about your sharing. I may be misremembering, but there was an estrangement with you daughter? (you don't need to answer that). Fractures and dysfunction in my family too. So many in the BOC have been suffering, on so many levels. I love your sentence above: "I pray that the binding on the Book of Life is bursting from fullness." I pray daily for that last lamb to come into the fold, that last baby to be conceived. At some point God will say. That's it, and we will all get out of the horrid world. May God's grace and peace shelter you and yours under the shadow of His wings, today and always. Blessings, Judi
DeleteJeremy – I’m praying for you bro. And I hear ya – it’s been a very tough set of trials over the past several months that I can’t even begin to describe. I think many of us are going through what seems to be preparation for the soon return of our Lord. Zero desire for this world and fully ready to be lifted up in the Rapture. I see God glorified and pleased through our faith as we press ever closer to Him in our darkest hour. I’m certain that you’re as battle weary as I am from the spiritual warfare. Hang tough – the Rescuer is on His way!
DeleteLifting you and your family up in prayer, Brother. God bless.
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DeleteSo sorry to hear about your struggle, brother. Praying for you. Praying also that our reunion with Jesus is not too far in the future. Maranatha.
DeleteNoted and added to my prayer list!
DeleteJeremy, My prayer for you is that though pressed, not crushed; perplexed, but not despairing, persecuted, but not abandoned; struck down, but not destroyed. My only consolation is that our compassion is being topped off and our sadness is feeding into wisdom. Your mind and heart are clearly still intact.
DeleteI have a theory about the 7+7. If the first exodus was terrestrial, and the second, celestial, then maybe the times of plenty could apply to plenty of warnings, signs and wonders and the second seven a time of the scarcity of a good word.
Thanks for all the work, there is a lot of good stuff in there!
ReplyDeleteJust one thing jumps right out to me and seems a bit off, although I don't want to be nagging: You have the "7 good years" from approx. 2016 to 2023. Sure, 7 even worse years may follow, but as I understand it, Egypt had really GOOD years back then. We had Corona, Ukraine, inflation, natural disasters, you name it. Probably some of the worst years in the last few decades.
(Of course, the very idea of having 7 good and 7 bad years again is highly speculative, and I think connected to some cows born with an apparent "7" on their heads...)
That's a totally fair [and valid] point. I would say that the 7 good years / bad years typology is not important or determinative in this chronology. It's merely an added layer. Perhaps it could be responded that the 7 years prior to the Trib will seem altogether some of the best in history in comparison given that the Trib will be the worst in history. Worldwide wealth and food plentitude is also the greatest it has ever been. Despite COVID craziness, famine is almost non-existent right now.
DeleteThank you, Gary, for this update on your post. Watching all that is happening around me and around the world is very stressful; one little light of imminent hope is welcome. May HE call us ALL to HIM soon, very soon. A 'Praise and Thanksgiving report ' for the Dec.20 birth of a great-grandson to our Texas family. Even in these evil days, the BLESSINGS, LOVE and MERCY are still alive and active .
ReplyDeleteWow! Congratulations!!! That is such awesome news. Now let's all go HOME.
DeleteCongrats! Such a blessing.
DeleteCatching up here...Congratulations, Sally!!!
DeleteI hear the US is attacking Yemen? Not sure if this is relevant yo anything except general turmoil in the MidEast, but....
ReplyDeleteGiven that this Houthi situation in the Red Sea is in response to the Gaza situation (Zephaniah 2), which has been displaying the number 153 in recent events surrounding said Gaza situation, I would say yes, indeed it does have immediate relevancy to our standing as the body of Christ. 153 is tied to the ingathering of souls at the Rapture. I find Gary's article concerning the Gaza situation described in Zephaniah 2 and it's eye-rausing mention of the Rapture of the Church within the same context as Gaza quite enlightening.
DeleteIf I'm not mistaken, Putin has warned against any action against Yemen. This points up the theme of the bear and the Rapture typology in 2 Kings chapter 2.
Yeah, this is getting quite interesting.
I would say yes, most definitely it does have relevancy for the departure of the Church. The attack against the Houthis in Yemen is all a result of what is taking place in the Red Sea - which is the result of the Gaza situation.
DeleteThe entire Gaza situation has turned out to be quite prophetic as a signal of the Rapture as Gary observed (or speculated) recently. It is very interesting that in Zephaniah chapter 2, we would have the "gathering together" mentioned in relation to Gaza being abandoned.
This entire Gaza situation has shown some recent signs of the number 153 being attached to it. That number is associated with the Rapture/ingathering of souls in the catching of the 153 fish in John 21.
So, what of Yemen? If I'm not mistaken, Putin of Russia has warned against the country of Yemen being attacked by the West. This has the potential of drawing in Russia. In turn, this points up the emerging theme of the bear and the Rapture typology seen in 2 Kings chapter 2.
It's all coming together.
BREAKING PROPHECY ALERT: THE 153 INGATHERING AND “COMBAT NAVAL TASK FORCE 153”
Deletehttps://endtimesdarknessdescending.wordpress.com/2023/12/14/breaking-prophecy-alert-the-153-ingathering-and-combat-naval-task-force-153/
And here we go ...
Delete"-- RUSSIA: We demand that an emergency session be held in the UN Security Council against the backdrop of the strikes on Yemen."
Hmmm ... that is interesting. I submitted my first comment above but it appeared to get lost and didn't post. So I repeated the message/comment and it did post immediately. Coming back here the next morning, I have noticed my first message that didn't post and got lost is now posted, thus creating a repeat message. 🤔
DeleteSite is acting kinda weird I've noticed.
@Corey, I saw your comment stuck in the spam filter and approved it. Sometimes comments get auto-flagged for whatever reason and I have to force them through.
DeleteAaaah yes, the same thing happens occasionally on my site. The thought never crossed my mind this time on your site.
DeleteWell, heads up. Yemen is currently under attack. Looks like it's heating up again. American and British forces are conducting strikes on Iranian backed Houthi forces in Yemen.
ReplyDeleteYEMEN AIR DEFENSES ARE ENGAGING BRITISH AND AMERICAN WAR PLANES. ANTI-AIRCRAFT MISSILES ARE BEING FIRED.
https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/yemen-under-attack
Is it a coincidence that we once heard Bob Fletcher make the statement that as the Planet X/Destroyer system gets closer and the time for its arrival gets nearer, they would take us to a global war as cover? (Ezekiel 38/39 incoming)?
A DESTROYER MOON SIGHTED AGAIN?
https://endtimesdarknessdescending.wordpress.com/2024/01/08/a-destroyer-moon-sighted-again/
What will Russia's pre-planned response be? And when? It will be interesting to see where this specific situation leads a few days or months down the road.
DeleteContinuous updates occurring on above sight Hal Turner sight.
Delete-- The Yemeni Armed Forces have begun a massive launch of surface-to-surface missiles. US MILITARY BASES IN THE COUNTRY OF IRAQ ARE BEING HIT!
-- A U.S. Submarine in the Red Sea is participating in the ongoing Operation, with Tomahawk Land-Attack Cruise Missile Strikes against Yemen.
Delete-- Air Raid Sirens currently heard from the U.S. Embassy Compound in the “International Green Zone” of Baghdad, Iraq.
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ReplyDeleteI would be almost willing to bet that this situation will be when a false flag is likely to occur - thus the excuse to launch a broader more serious war with Russia involved. That false flag will probably be the sinking of an American aircraft carrier or similar.
ReplyDeleteIf we are getting that close to the Rapture and the ensuing Ezekiel 38 & 39 war, then something dramatic is soon going to have to happen. Especially since the April 8 American eclipse is upcoming. I think this developing Yemen situation (an expansion of the Gaza war) is the next step there to the inevitable dramatic event.
ReplyDeleteAbout the World Economic Forum, it is only making ordinary people in Europe discontent and destitute, causing them to vote on far-right political parties. See https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/dec/01/younger-voters-far-right-europe "Why are younger voters flocking to the far right in parts of Europe". In my opinion the Revived Roman Empire in Europe will consist of 10 European nations which could have far-right wing political parties in their governments.
ReplyDeleteAt https://unravelations-weebly-com.translate.goog/home/wef-vs-arc-een-vals-dilemma?_x_tr_sl=nl&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=nl&_x_tr_pto=wapp "WEF vs. ARC, a false dilemma":
"Many alert citizens are now familiar with the progressive-left "think tank" of the World Economic Forum (WEF), but less known is its latest right-wing counterpart: https://www.arcforum.com/(ARC), which means "alliance for responsible citizenship". This fairly recent The club that was founded pretends to be a counterpart where ideas are not imposed from above, but rather come from within society.
Hope
"What exactly is the message of this club?" you may ask. Let me start by saying that this is a group of people sponsored by some very wealthy financiers who see little interest in the extreme plans of the World Economic Forum. But does this mean that the opposite is automatically good? If their hope does not lie in aggressive top-down policies, what does it lie in? Only bottom-up policy?"
Daniel 11:23 (KJV):
23 And after the league made with him he shall work deceitfully: for he shall come up, and shall become strong with a small people.
This small people who will back the antichrist in Europe could be ordinary people in European societies who are against the elite such as the World Economic Forum.
I have been mulling over the possibility of some kind of connection between the "populists" and the Antichrist as well, perhaps as a controlled opposition in the spirit of clever deceit of evil, which may be their biggest "strength". But obviously it's very unpopular to consider on Christian sites because people tend to assume that you're an agent of the "other" (clearly also evil) side. I personally don't trust any major (geo)/political side. Perhaps the Antichrist will take a little bit of both and reconcile them, thereby making himself the "peacemaker" who achieved the "impossible".
DeleteWe will have to watch and see. Hopefully we won't see too much before the Rapture :)
Hi Gary, we have put together an almost identical timeline with a few small differences. Would love to discuss this with you by email or phone if you would like!
ReplyDeleteJust had my first chance to come back and do some reading this week, and I wanted to thank each of you for your kind words and prayers. Thank you Hmewrdbd, Damian, Archangel, Gary, Norm, CY and Cry, and everyone else. Thank you all.
ReplyDeleteCY, I really liked your idea that the last 7 years were years of plenty . . . of signs and wonders and warnings. And maybe the second 7 years are a scarcity of hope and a famine of faith after the Rapture. Or maybe there really will be a great revival. Or alternatively, a great reformation channeled into a strong delusion.
Jeremy
Well, we know that scarcity increases the perceived value of just about anything. The challenge will be to avoid being sold fools' gold. Even now, the evil running rampant increases our desire for sanity and righteousness I hope and pray that we can advocate effectively for those we love as Messiah does for us.
DeleteOur chart utilizes a Nisan convention as well, has the same starting and ending points, is in phase with your Sabbatical cycle, but is one "week" out of phase with your Jubilee cycle. I understand why ours differs in that regard, and believe it is worth discussing. We also utilized the Melchizedek scroll and other sources to understand Jewish apocalyptic expectations in the 1st century to explain why the decree of Artaxerxes and the 70 weeks of Daniel are out of phase with the Jubilee cycle. In any case we are in complete agreement with a 2024-2031 70th week, which we believe will follow the fall, or 7th month cycle, of Tishri
ReplyDeleteMy 29,159 day (Psalm 90:10) model also aligns with a 2024-2031 70th week. The model also suggests arrival of the two witnesses as soon as Yom Teruah this year with the harpazo sometime between now and then. I have my sights on the Bethlehem Star on 5/23 personally.
DeletePS, my model uses all of Civil, Essene and Gregorian calendars in parallel so all timelines are shown in a single glance
DeleteHi Sam, I emailed you back. Feel free to share it. God bless.
DeleteHey Gary, thanks! I didn't see your email reply, so here is my address in case you didn't have the updated one: sam.arledge.fulcher@gmail.com
DeleteLooking forward to your reply!
Thank you Pastor Rich for the reply! Do you have a link to your model that you would share? We are about to release a video on ours and I will provide a link as soon as it's out!
ReplyDeleteI have a little more clean-up work to do before posting it and it will be a WIP. Keep an eye on my site for a link. The file will be accessible with LibreOffice Calc or any application that support *.ods format spreadsheets.
DeleteI have a new (basic) template for the 70th Week that examines 2031-2034 as years for the Second Coming and rededication of the yet to come third Temple. I will be posting that soon and provide a link here as well.
DeleteA BASIC MODEL FOR DANIEL'S 70TH WEEK
DeleteHere's an early draft of the basic model that explores a 2031-2034 Second Coming at Yom Kippur. Each model is pinned to the 1,335th day being Hanukkah I and the lighting of the first candle. The rest of the model is dated from that day -- in other words it is best understood from the end to the beginning.
This version is not annotated for Scriptural references. That's the next step for version -003 and will come as I have time to add that level of detail.
The file is best opened using LibreOffice Calc or OpenOffice Calc and is an *.ods formatted multi-page spreadsheet.
CLICK HERE
Remember, this very simple model explores the span of the 70th week in terms of a "best fit" per appointed days with the key date being Hanukkah I as the end of the model. This model does not address, nor attempt to address, the timing of the harpazo. I, personally, believe the harpazo to be sometime between now and the beginning of any of the viable models.
Please, bear in mind this is a WIP with the latest version to be available on my website.
Note: Page "2550-2033-XX" is a model that I believe to be not viable. Why? Because Yom Teruah is "Out of Range" for the 2,550 days of the 70th week. The other three models are all viable in the most basic sense.
Blessings, always,
PR
PS, If you have trouble downloading via the link (above) please stay tuned as I will have the download on my site asap. If you do download a file and it's anything but what you expected by file name, simply change the file name extension to ".ods" and you should be able to open the file. Remember, this is BEST viewed using LibreOffice or OpenOffice Calc and not Microsoft Office Excel. Both LibreOffice and OpenOffice are freeware and totally free of charge. I will offer download links on my site once posted.
DeleteSubtracting 2550 days from Yom Kippur 2031 which falls on 9/26 comes out to Rosh Hashana on 10/2/24.
DeleteYou're absolutely right, Sutton. A sobering thought and date that is also known as Yom Teruah, Feast of Trumpets or the Day of Shouting, and begins on sundown on the evening of 10/2 in Jerusalem.
DeleteNote: The model linked (above) assumes that Appointed Days begin the evening before.
Thus 10/2 begins Rosh Hashanna which is on 10/3.
Disease X conundrum: The idea is that there are evil doers inventing & spreading lethal viruses causing death, fear & more evil vaccines. That brings to mind a question: Are the evil doers (and their loved ones) who are perpetrating this crime on humanity IMMUNE to their virus inventions? If they are not immune, then they risk death. If they are immune, then why is it not possible for everyone to become similarly immune thereby neutralizing all threats from the invented virus? How does any of this make sense?
ReplyDeleteInteresting article:
ReplyDeletehttps://www.skywatchtv.com/2021/10/14/countdown44/
It's fascinating how all the days lineup with DSS Calendar.
Thanks for the link! Will be reading this for sure as I too use the DSS calendar on my models.
DeleteThe timing of Apophis as Wormwood would place April 13, 2029 in the first half of the 70th week. That would be during the time of the two witnesses and before the Second Woe. Such a model is not hard to produce to see how it may fit. Schedule allowing, I'll draw up a model for that tomorrow unless someone beats me to it using the basic model link I created (above).
DeleteI'm more inclined to think that Apophis is the millstone thrown into the sea in Rev 18:21.
DeleteIf Apophis was the object that poisons a third of the world's fresh water, Rev 8:11 would have called that object Apophis, not Wormwood. Second, Apophis is a giant rock. There's nothing poisonous inherent in it.
The model that seems a good fit for the close approach of Apophis on Friday, April 13, 2029 is the calendar that ends with Hanukkah I, 2034. The event would occur on day 562 of the 2550 day calendar. Both of the calendars for 2033 and 2035 are out of range as Yom Teruah falls before the calendars begin.
ReplyDeleteI am not convinced that Apophis is Wormwood and so am NOT dogmatic about this. It's simply what this model suggests as timing for an event that might align with Scripture.
Does this mean we have to wait even longer for the Rapture? Not necessarily. The Day of our Blessed Hope and the beginning of the 70th week do not have to be back-to-back events. A gap may exist of unknown duration. But based on my model studies, I don't expect a large gap. It may be months.
Keep in mind that my studies are focused on (Psalm 90:10) so using 80 prophetic years as a metric in the model. My attention is on a 2031 Second Coming and Apophis is not on that radar screen.
Blessings,
PR
Gap? If millions of people disappear and all the children leave planet earth, would not the left behind notice something is awry? Would it be as in the Days of Noah when people are going about their business buying & selling, eating & drinking, etc.? The element of sudden surprise like a thief in the night loses its meaning if there is a gap after the rapture since the rapture would indeed be a warning. MTH 24: 37 "As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38 For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39 and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man." Noah was taken & the flood began immediately thereafter. Lot escaped & fire fell on Sodom immediately thereafter. Luke 17:29 "But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all."
Delete...and you have my point perfectly Sutton! Perfectly. Some believe there may be a significant gap between the harpazo and the 70th week. I'm not one of them. Is it possible? Yes, it may be possible but I don't believe it probable. As to all of those missing? Where did they go? That is the great deception that is to come on all the earth. L A Marzulli points to aliens (fallen angels) as providing the explanation. I think there are grounds for that perspective.
DeleteThe main reason I suspect there is a sizeable gap between the Rapture and start of the Tribulation is typology. Judgment didn't start right after Enoch was raptured. The seven year famine under Elisha didn't occur immediately after Elijah's rapture.
DeleteNo one noticed Enoch nor Elijah were gone. There was no public event of any significant magnitude whatsoever. It was life as usual unlike what Christ said about the analogous days of LOT & NOAH when everything changed in a blink of an eye after their departure. Christ further warned of deception in the first comment of MTH 24. So indeed that deception may be a rapture explanation like the alien theory which would need to be all but instantaneous with no significant gap for the evil forces to take over. After all, once the restrainer is removed why indeed would the evil forces delay one minute?
DeleteI don't think it was that nobody noticed Enoch and Elijah were gone so much as nobody cared Enoch or Elijah was gone. If anything, people were glad they were gone.
DeleteOne thought on the article shared above from SkyWatchTV -- the arrival of Apophis is "what-if'd" as a mid-point event. I would point to the harpazo of the two witnesses, EQ and second woe as well as the AoD and flight of Israel as midway events of the 70th week. Wormwood is a third trumpet event and occurs before the first woe. In light of the events lined up in (Revelation 8) I'm not seeing the transit (or arrival) of Apophis as a mid-point event. Slightly earlier, yes, but not mid-point.
ReplyDeleteRemember, the first woe comes within the time frame of the fifth trumpet. The sixth trumpet releases war upon the Earth killing 1/3 of mankind. The second woes comes once the two witnesses are gone just before the AC is revealed at the midpoint.
It is interesting the day counts surrounding the suggested arrival of Apophis and for that reason good to bear in mind.
HOW ABOUT ANOTHER MODEL
ReplyDeleteThis is a second attempt at building a model for the beginning of the month of Nisan in 32 AD. Building it was a two part process with one a larger model that counts all of the Sabbaths from now to the beginning of 4 BC. Both models provide modern Gregorian dating, Julian Calendar dating and Julian dates. Also included are the new moons and full moons and on total lunar eclipse (blood moon).
Posting it here for review and will get it on my website as soon as I can.
32 AD the year of the cross?
Please bear in mind that this is a work in progress and is best viewed with LibreOffice Calc or OpenOffice Calc (both freeware) not Microsoft Excel. I am not dogmatic on what was found in this model as it is subject to error. I am prayerfully asking questions and exploring where the evidence leads based on historic record and Scripture.
Why 32 AD?
This model begins with 32 AD as that is the year that the Dead Sea Scrolls tell us that the Messiah, Melchizedek, will give His life. This then can be expanded to encompass the age that we live in today (beginning to end).
Blessings, always,
PR
A new version of the 32 AD model is on the way and will be posted soon. I'm expanding it to examine 31 and 33 AD with different iterations of those years explored.
DeleteThe latest updates to the 32 AD calendar model are available HERE and will be posted to my website as time allows.
DeleteMaybe because it brings amusement but "All Plausible Chronology", modeling aside.
ReplyDeleteThe restraining fore must be removed first, the "Body of Christ going up"
Also before the first seal is opened by the lamb, those redeemed, old and new testament saints out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation sing a new song.
The first seal is the "Peace Maker", He conquers with a peace plan and his powerful western friends do the uprooting, USA and UK. But there can be no peace without a little WAR
The prophecies in the bible are specific concerning the Jews and Jerusalem.
Jesus is clear, concerning the sign of the Messiah.
Paul is also clear concerning the Where, When, How, and Why of our gathering together unto Him.
Makes me ponder about why the 10 virgin parable was taught. Could it be even though the 5 foolish are rejected it brings amazement to them and I often wonder why. The answer they receive is "I never knew You"
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ReplyDeleteYou make an interesting observation, Gregg. By the time that Christ had ascended returning to heaven; the OT saints had been taken heavenward (as spirits) by Jesus as part of the first fruits of the first resurrection of the righteous. Abraham's Bosom had been emptied and all who feel asleep in Christ in the meantime were now spirits before the LORD. They would all be there in heaven when John was privy to these things.
ReplyDeleteYet, they are missing from the scene given just before the opening of the first seal,
6 And between the throne and the
four living creatures and among
the elders I saw a Lamb standing,
as though it had been slain, with
seven eyes, which are the seven
spirits of God sent out into all the
earth.
7 And he went and took the scroll
from the right hand of him who was
seated on the throne.
8 And when he had taken the scroll,
the four living creatures and the
twenty-four elders fell down before
the Lamb, each holding a harp, and
golden bowls full of incense, which
are the prayers of the saints.
9 And they sang a new song saying,
"Worthy are you to take the scroll
and to open its seals, for you were
slain, and by your blood you ransomed
people from God from every tribe and
language and people and nation,"
(Revelation 5:6-9 ESV)
Not making an argument over this but wanted to share that point of Scripture as IMHO it points to the Restrainer still being on Earth and not yet in heaven.
That song ends,
10 and you have made *them* a
kingdom and priests to our God,
and *they* shall reign on the
earth."
(Revelation 5:10 ESV) [ *Emphasis mine* ]
Note: The use of "them" and "they" not "us" and "we". I don't think the Restrainer has been removed at this point. I believe it has yet to come and that the seals were first being broken in John's day, in the first century.
Different perspectives on things that are not salvation related.
A related question I need to return to, is the nature of the sea of glass that is before the throne. A vision of the spirits inhabiting heaven? We see it in two forms, one in (Revelation 4) and the other in (Revelation 15).
ReplyDeleteGary's chart embedded above reads, “Possible rapture in the spring or fall of 2024; commencement of the Tribulation”.
ReplyDeleteIt is prophetically interesting that the upcoming 2nd Great American Eclipse to occur April 8, 2024, (whose path of totality will cross that of the 1st GASE making a giant "X" across America) MIGHT mirror the eclipses of the 1800's. 3 months after the second 1800 eclipse is when the NEW MADRID EARTHQUAKES occurred.
We see the dividing of America in many ways now--especially with what's happening in teXas. Will we see the prophesied GREAT DIVIDE via a 2nd NEW MADRID EARTHQUAKE and the RAPTURE in July 2024?
Of course, I HAD to put all these "X" connections in an article. May it encourage everybody to get eXcited 🥰
“X” Marks the Year of the Rapture?
Lyn Melvin
Delete“Possible rapture in the spring or fall of 2024; commencement of the Tribulation”.
Thats pretty vague chief.
But when you truly study the catching away of the “body of Christ” as Jesus and Paul put forth, then you can understand with certainty the “Where, When How and Why” of the Rapture of the Church.
I will try and nut shell it for you.
The dead in Christ rise first. on “First Fruits” that is a Jonah sign of the Messiah. And a shadow of things to come for the Church. That particular shadow of Resurrection and those who rose after Him ( The promise of the full harvest yet to come ) went into the Holy City preaching for 40ty days.
Then ( 40ty days later ) we which are alive and remain ). Also a Jonah sign of the Messiah.
Shall be caught up together ( At the last Trump ). Ascension, shadow cast by the Messiah. ( The full harvest Rapture of the Church )
With them in the clouds. ( That Jesus brought with Him ) when He descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God.
Then came Pentecost, the offering of the Messiah to the Jews By the Apostles.
Only this time the “My two Witnesses” will be offering the Messiah to the Jews.
Gregg, dear Brother, I do lean towards believing the Rapture will follow the pattern of the Harvest Cycle of Israel. If you read my article linked above I include this statement:
Delete"It has been revealed via the Holy Spirit that there will be a small window of time between a great quake and the Rapture in which Those in Christ will be able to witness to the lost."
It hyperlinks to my article Is there REALLY a RAPTURE? where I explain that many Christians won't understand why God would allow such a disaster before the Rapture.
The timeline you share may be absolutely correct. I, however, choose not to be adamant but simply offer what I learn from the Scriptures and share what I believe the Spirit of the Lord is revealing, but we only know and see in part.
For we know in part and we prophesy in part. - 1 Corinthians 13:9 NKJV
For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part, but then I shall know just as I also am known. - 1 Corinthians 13:12 NKJV
Lyn Melvin
ReplyDeleteThank you for getting back to me and I respect your convections.
The rapture was never supposed to be hidden, just reviewed in its time.
Here are some websites (including unsealed.org) that show reasons we are close to the end times.....I want to share this with others that don't typically go to "end times" websites.
ReplyDeleteDon't be surprised if your website is shown as I've been blessed by so many sites/postings---thank you!! Also, this list isn't intended to be exhaustive so don't be upset if I didn't list your website---I just needed to get a few links. I did list many links for Unsealed......maybe I should just focus on one or two of them.
https://www.unsealed.org/2022/12/the-final-four.html
https://www.unsealed.org/2016/05/the-20-biggest-signs-showing-end-of-age.html
https://www.unsealed.org/2016/07/10-reasons-jesus-will-come-back-in-our.html
https://www.unsealed.org/2022/09/awake-watching-and-ready-to-go-nearing.html
https://www.unsealed.org/2019/01/prophetic-milestones.html
http://www.richardrfaulkner.org/
https://www.6000thyear.com/
https://Postscripts.org/ (many links to eschatology)
https://rev12daily.blogspot.com/
https://lynmelvin.blogspot.com/2022/08/is-there-really-rapture.html
You may suggest additional links / reasons to show that we are very close to the end times.
Note: Some people may not agree with the 6 days = 6000 years scenario since Adam (which brings us to "now") so one could direct them to:
https://answersingenesis.org/bible-timeline/how-does-mans-history-fit-with-the-biblical-timeline/
Jon
You're too kind Jon. Thank you.
DeletePS, the Dead Sea Scrolls and calendar speak specifically to the 6,000 years leading up to the return of Messiah and the beginning of the Millennial Kingdom. Dr Ken Johnson has excellent resources and studies available as well as live teaching and Q&A each Monday. Find him at Biblefacts.org. Ken's work is not specific to end-times but it does include that study. Highly recommended!!!
ReplyDeleteJon, what an honor to be included on your list! May the Lord be glorified and the Church exhorted and edified! Also I am led to give everybody a--
ReplyDeleteHEADS UP to BUCKLE UP!
I hadn't expected to be posting a new article so soon, but was VERY inspired after Watchwoman65's latest news regarding Israel AND when the Spirit of the Lord led me to hear about TWO PATTERNS that add to our anticipation of a 2024 Rapture:
BUCKLE UP! Final Puzzle Piece Before Rapture
I was collecting web links that are helpful in communicating to Christians (and some that need a wake-up call) about the "nearness" of the end times. There are so many good authors on the web but since I come to this site often, I wanted to use some articles mentioned here.
DeleteHere's another link I might pass onto some of my friends about the nearness of a rapture:
https://paulbenware.com/the-coming-year-and-the-coming-rapture/
Lyn Melvin: I heard you mention something (possibly a long time ago) about Damascus/rapture but I couldn't find the link....something to the effect of when it is about to be destroyed, we go up (same holds true for when the demons come down if I recall).
Honestly, when I first heard that, I made a mental note but didn't give it much thought as I was thinking/hoping "2024" rapture and yet I didn't see Damascus getting destroyed soon.
In the last few weeks we've seen an uptick in skirmishes in that region with the Americans killed in the area (Syria, Iraq).....which seems like more steps leading to the prophesy involving Damascus/Rapture.
https://www.charismanews.com/opinion/94257-damascus-going-nuclear
Seeing how these events unfold with Damascus might give some insight on how close we are to the rapture (this year?).
Jon
Yes, Jon!
DeleteIt appears we are VERY close to the Rapture happening perhaps as soon as this year! The article you are referring to is of a study I did of Isaiah 17, which I shared in a September 2, 2020, article--Events Before the Rapture. The link to it is within a newer article with additional insights that include excerpts from Corey at End Times: Darkness Descending:
The Damascus Domino and the Rapture
Also, I wanted to give you and anybody interested an update regarding the proposed 40-day ceasefire, so I added the following to my latest article:
After posting this article, news came out of the counteroffer by Hamas which shows they are not serious about negotiating with Israel. Starting at about 11:30 minutes into his 14-minute video, Don Stewart in Breaking News, February 7, 2024 gives an excellent synopsis of the situation. He explains how the United States can apply additional pressure on Israel to end the war because a leftist Israeli Prime Minister made sure Israel was dependent upon the U.S. for the weapons and ammunition it needs to fight Hamas. “We are told the U.S. has threatened to slow down the flow or cut it off completely if Israel doesn’t put some type of ceasefire in place.”
US Secretary of State Antony Blinken says ceasefire deal between Israel and Hamas is still possible. Therefore, a ceasefire leading to a peace deal THIS YEAR is still possible. (Links available at the original article:
BUCKLE UP! Final Puzzle Piece Before Rapture)
Thank you Lyn. Those are the articles and links I was looking for about Damascus. Very helpful. Jon
DeleteTwo small observations about your timeline: Isaac was born in Jubilee year #43. Petah Tikvah was founded as the first Jewish settlement in Zionism in Jubilee year #120. (i.e. almost complete, as 120*50=6000). 120 - 43 = 77, so 77 Jubilees from Isaac, the son of hope, to the settlement of hope.
ReplyDeleteThat's calculated with 49-year-Jubilees, like you do in your chronology. But now we are waiting for the 120 jubilees to complete again, this time as 50*120.