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The Final Judgment


Judgment—a word I think many would agree is one of the most sobering words in the English language. But judgment is a vital and necessary aspect of God's plan and His dealings with His creation, and so it should surprise no one that it is an important topic that features prominently in and is alluded to numerous times in Scripture—in both the Old and New Testaments.

I say judgment is vital because it enables God to effectively dispose of or cause certain elements of His creation to be conformed to His perfect standards of holiness. And it is necessary because certain elements of His creation fall far short of those perfect standards of holiness. (Wait for it...)

And that would include us.

Of course, people can talk about judgment in the abstract sense; but when we are dealing with God and His Word, we must also talk about judgment in terms of specific events where God's judgment is actually exercised and the results of that judgment are meted out. And in regard to such specific events, the Bible makes it clear that there is in fact a final judgment that ultimately brings His creation in line with His perfect standards, and it is commonly referred to as the Great White Throne Judgment.

In this article, I want to discuss the Great White Throne Judgment (which I will usually refer to as the GWT in this article for simplicity), and take a closer look at a few questions and misunderstandings that often surround it in the minds of many believers, many of whom have been taught things about this judgment by their pastors or their respective denominations that, on closer scrutiny, don't always line up with other truths taught in God's Word.

What I am going to do first is give you a general overview of how I see the GWT. Now, the reason I'm doing this is not to simply hammer you over the head with my personal views. I'm doing this because after I'm through, I will go back and pick out several specific points that others see differently, and explain why they might see things that way and why I see things the way I do.

After all, I think most would agree that the GWT qualifies as a secondary doctrine, and so the old "let's agree to disagree" platitude applies here (even though it is true that a misunderstanding of one doctrinal point can sometimes lead to other more serious doctrinal errors).

An overview

Before we get to the GWT itself, let's back up and briefly review the sequence of events that precede the GWT in Scripture that help establish its context.

6And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunder, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigns.

7Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honor to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife [the Church] has made herself ready. 8And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints. [That's us, and we are rewarded at the Bema.]

9And he said to me, Write, Blessed are they which are called to the marriage supper of the Lamb. [Note that the marriage ceremony takes place in heaven, and the marriage supper follows on earth after the Second Coming.] And he said to me, These are the true sayings of God. 10And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said to me, See you do it not: I am your fellow servant, and of your brothers that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

(Revelation 19:6–10 AKJV / emphasis & [comments] added)

In Revelation 19:6–10, we see the marriage of the Lamb in heaven...and we are the bride who has now become His wife. This must necessarily occur after the Rapture and before the Second Coming, because we are returning with Him in our robes of white to rule and reign with Christ in the Millennial Kingdom.

11And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat on him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he does judge and make war. 12His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. 13And he was clothed with a clothing dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. 14And the armies which were in heaven followed him on white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. [That's us again, and we are coming with Him at the Second Coming to rule and reign with Him.] 15And out of his mouth goes a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treads the wine press of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. 16And he has on his clothing and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

(Revelation 19:11–16 AKJV / emphasis & [comments] added)

Next, in Revelation 19:11–16, we see the Second Coming, with Christ returning as the Rider on a White Horse in order to "smite the nations," or to slay all living unbelievers remaining on earth in preparation for the establishment of His kingdom. We get a more graphic image of this in the next passage.

17And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the middle of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together to the supper of the great God; 18That you may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

19And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army. [This is the Antichrist and legions of those who have taken his mark and worship him as God.]

20And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that worked miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. [That's all she wrote for the Antichrist and the False Prophet.] 21And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat on the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh. [All those who worshiped the Antichrist and took his mark will be slain upon Christ's return to earth.]

(Revelation 19:17–21 AKJV / emphasis & [comments] added)

In Revelation 19:17–21, we see Christ slaying all those who are arrayed against Him at His return, and we see the Antichrist and the False Prophet cast into the lake of fire for eternity.

1And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. [I love the fact that God has an angel take care of His light work for Him.] 2And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, 3And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal on him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season. [He will be loosed to mount one final (unsuccessful) rebellion against Christ's kingdom.]

(Revelation 20:1–3 / AKJV / emphasis & [comments] added)

In Revelation 20:1–3, we see Satan bound in the bottomless pit (or abyss) for the 1,000-year duration of the Millennial Kingdom. It also tells us that after the 1,000 years have passed, Satan will be released for a short time.

4And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark on their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. [Martyred Tribulation saints are resurrected and enter the kingdom.] 5But the rest of the dead [all the unrighteous] lived not again until the thousand years were finished [at the GWT]. This is the first resurrection. [The "first resurrection" is the resurrection of the righteous, and this appears to be the final phase of it.] 6Blessed and holy is he that has part in the first resurrection: on such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

(Revelation 20:4–6 AKJV / emphasis & [comments] added)

In Revelation 20:4–6, we see a resurrection that takes place after the Second Coming but prior to the launching of the Millennial Kingdom. Here, people who became believers during the Tribulation (aka Tribulation saints) and who were beheaded for their unwavering Christian testimony during the Tribulation stand at a judgment and are welcomed into the kingdom.

A different kettle of fish: Note this passage only speaks of Tribulation saints who were martyred for their faith and their refusal to take the mark. Those Gentiles who come to a measure of faith during the Tribulation and survive until the Second Coming will stand at the Sheep and Goat Judgment, where those who maintained a faithful witness will enter the kingdom and those who didn't won't—although none of them took the mark. Those guys are dead.

Many commentators believe those sitting on the thrones in verse 4 are both resurrected Old Testament saints along with Church Age saints in their glorified bodies, both of whom have been promised they will do precisely that.

Note that verse 5 makes reference to the fact that "the rest of the dead" were not resurrected until after the Millennial Kingdom. We don't hear any more about these people until the last five verses of chapter 20 at the GWT.

7And when the thousand years are expired, [at the end of the Millennial Kingdom] Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. [God allows Satan to muster one final rebellion against Christ and His kingdom.] 9And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: [Jerusalem] and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. [The smackdown.] 10And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. [Satan finally joins his compadres in the lake of fire.]

(Revelation 20:7–10 AKJV / emphasis & [comments] added)

At the conclusion of the Millennial Kingdom, Satan leads unbelievers from all nations on one last attack on Christ in Jerusalem, and God rains fire on them. Then Satan is cast into the lake of fire to join the Antichrist and the False Prophet, who have already had 1,000 years to get used to their eternal digs.

11And I saw a great white throne [hence the name], and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; [this is the second resurrection] and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; [FYI: this ain't the Titanic (see #4 below)] and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. [i.e. spiritual death] 15And whoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

(Revelation 20:11–15 AKJV / emphasis & [comments] added)

And here we are given a description of the GWT, where all unbelievers will be judged and sent off to eternal punishment.

Like the great majority of commentators, I believe that the scriptural context makes it clear that the GWT occurs after the Millennial Kingdom and in preparation for the eternal state that follows. One detail that appears to support this is in verse 11, where heaven and earth are said to flee away, and no place was found for them. In other words, it appears that the GWT will be held in some unspecified type of spiritual dimension or locality, rather than on earth or in heaven (unbelievers cannot enter heaven, and the earth is gone). And after it's done, it's time for the creation of the new heaven and new earth.

And whaddya know...after the above passage detailing the GWT that concludes chapter 20, here's what we see in the very next verse:

1And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

(Revelation 21:1 / emphasis added)

Bingo. Now, some people argue about whether Scripture is describing a truly new heaven and earth, or a renewed version of the old heaven and earth. Personally, I am inclined to go with the former. Scripture sure seems to make it sound like the present version is annihilated.

We'll get into this a bit more deeply later; but as far as who is being judged at the GWT, I think it is clear that all unbelievers for all time are being judged here, and sent off to eternal punishment—the second death.

And that will suffice as a reasonable overview of the GWT. But there are many good people who have questions and different views of some of the details of the GWT for various reasons, and next I want to take a closer look at several of these questions and differing opinions concerning certain aspects of the GWT and related events, and answer these questions and comment on such alternative opinions to the best of my ability. Hopefully, in the process I can explain why I view things the way I do with some degree of clarity.

Notes on specific points

OK, before we get neck-deep in this, I'm sure you'll excuse me while I chant my ATD* mantra a few times. I try to be nice, but you know me.

*Agree to disagree...

1. Who exactly is sitting on the throne at the GWT? Many people tend to assume it's God the Father, but is this correct?

This is pretty straightforward, so let's knock this one out right off the bat. Many people miss this, casually assuming it is God the Father who's sitting on the throne at the GWT. I still remember visualizing God the Father on a huge white throne as a kid in church, but Scripture clearly sets us straight on this one:

22For the Father judges no man, but has committed all judgment to the Son: 23That all men should honor the Son, even as they honor the Father. He that honors not the Son honors not the Father which has sent him.

24Truly, truly, I say to you, He that hears my word, and believes on him that sent me, has everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death to life.

25Truly, truly, I say to you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. 26For as the Father has life in himself; so has he given to the Son to have life in himself; 27And has given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.

(John 5:22–27 AKJV / emphasis added)

Scripture clearly tells us that God the Father has dispatched all judgment to His Son, so it will be Christ sitting on the throne at the GWT, not the Father. Yeah, yeah, I know...Jesus and the Father are "one"—but God the Father and God the Son are still two distinct Persons of the Godhead. I won't take it up now, but "one" doesn't always imply "one and the same." And it doesn't in this case.

2. My church teaches that the GWT will occur when Christ returns to establish His kingdom some fine day at the Second Coming.

I confess that this is something that drives me bonkers—when people simply parrot what their church or denomination teaches and never bother to crack open a Bible. So, the most eloquent response I can give is simply this:

PLEASE. READ. YOUR. BIBLE.

Sorry. Oh, you have cracked it open? Then understand that there is only one reason not to interpret God's Word as literally as common sense and context allow, and not to assume God says what He means and means what He says. And that's to make it say things it doesn't say and not say things it does say.

God gave us His Word to teach us, not tease us.

His Word calls for a scalpel, not a sledgehammer.

If you follow the above advice, you will readily see that the Church will soon be caught away to meet the Lord in the air, and not long after that Daniel's 70th Week will commence with a treaty brokered by the man who will become the Antichrist. You will see that God will seal 144,000 Jewish men to take the gospel to the world and bring countless millions to a saving faith in Christ, and that a remnant of Israel will be saved and protected by God until Christ returns at the conclusion of this seven-year period. At that time, He will destroy His enemies and establish the kingdom that His Father promised His people Israel, and a rewarded and glorified Church will return with Him to rule and reign in that kingdom, alongside Christ's resurrected and glorified disciples and other Old Testament saints. Oh, and the Great White Throne Judgment will occur after the 1,000-year kingdom is complete, and all unbelievers for all time will be judged and sent off to eternal punishment. And after it's over, God will create a new heaven and a new earth for us to dwell in forever.

I dare say that's about the shortest mini-outline I can muster. So all you postmillennialists out there...stop allegorizing away the entire end-time scenario and start reading and believing what God's inspired, inerrant, and prophetically confirmed Word says in black and white. It ain't that hard.

Holy Spirit: "Go easy, bro."

Me: "But...yes sir."

3. Exactly what groups of people will stand at the GWT? My pastor says it will include the Church.

This is a vigorously debated aspect of the GWT, and there are certainly different opinions. As a matter of fact, this is the question that sparked my interest in writing this article in the first place.

I live in Taiwan, and discounting some formal historical connections with the Roman Catholic Church, real Christianity was introduced to this island nation with the arrival of two Presbyterian missionaries in the nineteenth century: James Laidlaw Maxwell of England in 1865 and George Leslie Mackay of Canada in 1871. And I certainly don't mean to take anything away from these two powerful men of God, but as a result the majority of churches in Taiwan today (although few are Presbyterian by name) are influenced by that denomination's doctrine to varying degrees and hold to various of its teachings.

One thing that Presbyterian doctrine teaches is that every single human being who has ever lived will stand at the GWT, including the Church. This is a terribly hurtful belief because it goes hand in hand with another Presbyterian teaching: salvation by grace plus works, one of the slithering vipers that Presbyterians inherited from Holy Roman Mother Church centuries ago. And to my great chagrin, in the past couple of years I have become increasingly aware that the majority of churches in Taiwan have bought into it. According to my Taiwanese wife Phoebe (who studies the Bible with an ardor that puts me to shame):

"When you ask a Taiwanese believer where they are going after they die, the two most common answers are 'Wo bu zhidao' (I don't know) and 'Wo bu queding' (I'm not sure)."

And they're serious, because they are convinced their works will be judged at the GWT to determine if they rate entrance into heaven. And to my wife and I, this is as mystifying as it is heartbreaking. Thanks to the pervasive influence of Presbyterian allegory à gogo, most churches in Taiwan completely gloss over end-time prophecy and have Christ returning in the sweet by and by after the Church has gone out and spit-shined the world into a glowing Christian utopia that Christ would be pleased to return to rule (i.e. postmillennialism).

Not to mention the fact that apparently the blood of

Jesus didn't quite get all the stains out, so we'll need

to stand at the GWT to see if our works finished the job.

Another reason I strongly disagree with this idea is because of what the author of Hebrews says in chapter 8 in describing the New Covenant:

12For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

(Hebrews 8:12 AKJV / emphasis added)

Whatever you do, don't miss this—because this is the entire point. Under the Old Covenant, man's sin was only covered by the blood of bulls and goats. But God hadn't forgotten their sins—they still needed to be atoned for. And it took nothing less than the blood of God's sinless Son to accomplish that. At the moment of salvation, God forgives every sin you have ever committed or ever will commit—and then remembers them no more. They're gone. So, for those who believe the Church will stand at the GWT, I have one simple question:

Why?

Seriously. Why?! To what end? Our sin was judged on a bloody cross two millennia ago, and its penalty was paid in full—and when we trust Christ for our salvation, God forgives us and remembers our sins no more.

Check the books: Some believe that when the Book of Life is opened at the GWT, it is to verify your status...as if some will be righteous and some won't, and Christ needs to check your status. I disagree. I believe this is done to "fulfill all righteousness," so to speak. I believe Christ wants to demonstrate to the entire universe that Your. Name. Is. Not. There. So your punishment is just. This is done as the definitive legal proof of the fact that you died in your sins without atonement, and the Book of Life simply provides legal confirmation of what is already manifestly clear by your very presence at the GWT.

Now, our Spirit-led works that are deemed worthy of reward will be judged at the Judgment Seat of Christ or the Bema Seat to determine the level of reward we will receive, but that's an entirely different matter.

The only "judgment" the Church has to look forward to is the Bema, where we will be rewarded for the Spirit-led works we have done during our walk with Christ. And this cannot be at the GWT, because it takes place in heaven after the Rapture and prior to our return with Christ at the Second Coming. That's why when we return with Him, we will be wearing robes of white that represent the works for which we have been rewarded (Rev. 19:8).

On the other hand, there are some who believe the Church will be at the GWT simply to give us a chance to hear Christ make the formal declaration of our righteousness. You know, just to hear Him say those words:

"Well done, good and faithful servant! Enter into the joy of your Master!"

(Actually I swiped that from the Parable of the Talents in Matt. 25:14–30, but you know what I mean.) Well, that would be nice, I suppose. But c'mon...we've already been glorified, rewarded at the Bema, and have been ruling and reigning with Christ for 1,000 years, so...I've got strong doubts about this whole idea—it seems a bit redundant. At the very least, it seems like this would give the GWT a bizarre, schizophrenic duality, and I just don't see the point.

4. Revelation 20:14 says "the sea gave up the dead which were in it." Well, what's so special about dying at sea? Why aren't fighter pilots who were shot down in dogfights or miners who perished in cave-ins mentioned as well?

I actually struggled with this verse for a long time myself, and evidently I'm not the only one. I've read things written by some otherwise outstanding Bible commentators that would make you think God's Word makes special mention of unbelievers who died in boating accidents.

Speaking of boats...it finally hit me: This is a reference to the Flood of Noah. God sent a flood to wipe out the entire human race except for eight individuals: Noah and his wife, his three sons and their wives. They were the only eight people God saved from the Flood. OK, pop quiz:

Q. What was true about the entire human race besides Noah and his family?

A. Every last one of them was an unbeliever. Every single person on the planet except for those eight individuals was unrighteous, and they mocked Noah and his preaching and scoffed at God's warnings of judgment.

And that means every single last one of them is waiting to be resurrected at the second resurrection, or the resurrection of the unrighteous, and be judged at the GWT and sent off to eternal punishment.

Now, is it possible that the Holy Spirit felt that the entire human race except for Noah and his family being unrighteous and wiped out in a violent, dramatic fashion as a result of God's wrath was worthy of special mention in regard to the second resurrection...or am I just feeling a bit dizzy due to my first-ever case of seasickness?

5. What about natural-bodied people who enter the Millennial Kingdom as believers (or who are born and get saved during the kingdom), but die during that 1,000 years? There doesn't seem to be any mention of them being resurrected anywhere in Scripture, so why couldn't they be resurrected to stand at the GWT, be judged to be righteous, and enter into the eternal state along with the rest of the righteous?

I admit that the fate of natural-bodied believers who die during the kingdom is a rather gnarly issue in this topic. We know all believers of all time will be together in the eternal state, but just exactly what route do these particular individuals take to get there? That's the issue.

It's true that there doesn't appear to be any mention in Scripture of any special resurrection event for natural-bodied believers who die during the kingdom, and it sure sounds like Revelation 20:4–6 is telling us that the resurrection of Old Testament saints and Tribulation saints martyred during Daniel's 70th Week when Christ returns completes the first resurrection (of the righteous) before the kingdom even begins.

Order, please: Please, do not fall for the errant and crippling doctrine that teaches that the resurrection of the righteous is a singular event. People sometimes try to use this lie as a flimsy attack directed at those who believe in the scriptural teaching of the pre-tribulation Rapture, but straight up: That dog don't hunt. In 1 Corinthians 15:20–28, Paul makes it crystal clear that the resurrection of the righteous, or the first resurrection, is not one single event, but a series of events—Scripture makes it clear that different groups get resurrected at different times. It's called the "first" resurrection because it is the first type of resurrection (of the righteous), and the second type is the resurrection of the unrighteous. In other words, calling it the "first" resurrection doesn't mean it's unique resurrection #1 (followed at some point by unique resurrection #2). As I have said before:

"Sorry, but if you believe the first resurrection is a single event, then it happened two thousand years ago and you missed it!"

As did I. Anyway, I've seen people argue for three different possibilities:

a. They will be at the GWT.

That is, believers who die during the kingdom will stand at the GWT, along with the unrighteous of all time. (Hey, don't laugh...Presbyterians believe the Church will be at the GWT.) People who hold to this argument believe there will be people who are judged both righteous and unrighteous at the GWT, so they don't see any difficulties with this.

The problem, however, is that the plain text of Scripture seems to be drawing us away from this idea. Revelation 20:4–6 appears for all the world to be telling us the resurrection of the Old Testament saints and the Tribulation martyrs at the Second Coming completes the first resurrection or the resurrection of the righteous, which would preclude the possibility of yet another resurrection for believers who die during the kingdom so they can stand at the GWT in order to be judged righteous. Sounds like the old "square peg, round hole" routine.

b. There's no need for a special resurrection for them because they will simply receive a glorified body when they die.

In other words, these natural-bodied people who entered the kingdom as believers or became believers during the kingdom and die at some point during the 1,000 years will simply receive a glorified body at the time of their death. So, instead of all such people being resurrected all once at some special resurrection event, they will simply be glorified individually when they die, and in the snap of your fingers they'll be sporting a new glorified body just like the Church, the Old Testament saints, and the martyred Tribulation saints have had ever since (or prior to) the launching of the kingdom. In other words:

If your body gives out, no sweat. Get an upgraded model and press on.

To be honest, I had never heard this idea taught prior to working on this article. And although I hesitate to openly endorse it, I confess that the more I think about it, the more plausible it sounds. Several pluses in its favor would include such things as the following:

The first resurrection is still complete prior to the kingdom (as per Rev. 20:5).

It avoids the incongrous notion of righteous people standing at the GWT.

It comes across as being contextually natural and fitting (at least to me).

For that last item, it's just that these will be righteous people living under the direct rule of Jesus Christ in His kingdom in a virtual heaven on earth.

I mean, "Is anything too hard for the LORD?" and all that.

c. Death will be reserved for unbelievers during the kingdom.

Some people are of the opinion that natural-bodied believers during the Millennial Kingdom simply will not die—that they won't experience physical death at all. Rather, they see death as something that will only affect unbelievers, thus this whole question is a non-issue.

Even though some outstanding Bible commentators subscribe to this idea, I confess I find it a bit difficult to warm up to—although I hesitate to rule it out. The reason I say that is because even though lifespans will greatly increase during the Millennial Kingdom, death will still exist. As the prophet Isaiah says, speaking of the Millennial Kingdom:

20There shall be no more there an infant of days, nor an old man that has not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; [i.e. he'll be considered as young as a child] but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed. [This last person is unrighteous, but what about the person mentioned before him? Could he be righteous? Hmm...]

(Isaiah 65:20 AKJV / emphasis & [comments] added)

In other words, children will not die in their infancy, and a man who dies at the age of 100 will be considered to have died as a child. And an unrighteous person who dies at 100 will be considered to be cursed.

But here's the thing: No matter how wonderful and blessed life may be in the Millennial Kingdom, the fact remains that if we take Isaiah's words at face value, people will die...arguably both righteous and unrighteous people (see my note in the above verse). Maybe not all that many, but at least some. Of course, if you wish to apply a somewhat more flexible meaning to Isaiah's words, you are free to do so and you can safely ignore what I am saying.

Back in point 2, I said people will be living in a "virtual heaven on earth" during the kingdom. Emphasis on the word "virtual," because it won't be heaven. The infestation of sin will still exist in the kingdom. People will still rebel against a holy, just, loving God and refuse to avail themselves of His grace and mercy. So the idea of people still dying in the kingdom should come as no great shock to anyone. Death will still be with us until "death and hell" are cast into the lake of fire at the GWT (Rev. 20:14). In other words, at the GWT the curse of death itself will be destroyed and the very place where the unrighteous waited for that second death will be thrown into the lake of fire right along with them.

Why? Simple: After the final judgment, it will no longer be needed.

A modicum of humility

Obviously there is much more that could be said in regard to the Great White Throne Judgment—this is just a brief smattering of some of the related points people discuss and argue about, and that's fine.

I want to emphasize that it would be foolish in the extreme for me to sit here and try to tell you I could give you absolute, definitive proof from Scripture of the correctness of every single one of my views. As far as the GWT goes, I can't. And neither can anyone else.

Scripture simply doesn't fill in all the blanks in regard to the GWT and some of the related events, so all we can do in regard to certain questions about it is to do our best to rightly divide the Word and give it our best shot. And for that reason, a modicum of humility is called for, no matter how right you think you are (and how wrong you think someone else is).

And I'm first in line for that "modicum of humility" thing.

And now for something special...

Ever since I started my website at A Little Strength in 2012, I have been itching to share the following story...and I figure this is as good a chance as I'm ever going to get. I mentioned Canadian missionary George Leslie Mackay earlier, and I have a deeply personal story related to him that I simply have to share because it so marvelously puts on display the wonderful grace and provision our Heavenly Father bestows on His children.

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When George Mackay came to Taiwan in 1871, he settled in Tamsui (also spelled Danshui), which is basically a northern suburb of Taipei, the capital city. It also happens to be where I settled when I came here.

I was honorably discharged from the U.S. Navy in the spring of 1990 after 11 years of service, and as a native Illinoisan I was able to take advantage of the Illinois Veterans' Grant to get full funding for college at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. I attended UIUC for two years to finish my B.S. in Mathematics, which I had already made substantial progress toward.

When I came to Taiwan in June of 1992, I only had one point of contact: a grad student I had met at UIUC in the fall of 1991. He was working on his Master's degree and was alternating between studying at UIUC in fall semesters and then teaching English in Taiwan in spring semesters. He taught at what was then known as Oxford College in Tamsui, which was founded by George Mackay in 1882. (It became Aletheia University in 1999.) I had been thinking seriously about coming to Taiwan to try my hand at teaching English for other unrelated reasons, and I found out that my friend was getting ready to head back to Taiwan at the end of that fall semester. When I told him I was considering coming to Taiwan after I graduated the following spring, He gave me his mailing address and told me that if I did ultimately decide to come to Taiwan, write to him with the details so he could pick me up at the airport and help me get established. Thank you, Father!

In early 1992, I finally made the decision to take the plunge, and wrote to my friend with the flight info. I landed at what was then called Chiang Kai-shek International Airport just outside of Taipei (renamed as Taiwan Taoyuan International Airport in 2007) on the sweltering evening of June 18, 1992. And of course, I was fully expecting to see my friend there waiting for me.

And he wasn't there.

No one. Nobody. Nothing. So there I sat in a busy airport terminal, heavily laden with baggage (I wasn't just traveling, I was moving). I waited and waited, growing more desperate by the minute. I was in a foreign country I knew little about, and my friend hadn't given me a phone number because he didn't have a phone in his room. I was exhausted from the flight, had no idea where anything was, where I could go, or what I was going to do.

After nearly an hour of waiting in stress-filled agony, I decided to go to the Information Desk and spill my guts to a girl behind the counter. I wasn't sure if or how she could help me, but I was desperate and simply had to do something. I told her my situation, and almost as an afterthought showed her a piece of paper with my friend's name and address on it. I had no earthly reason to think that would help, but I showed it to her anyway.

The girl gazed quizzically at the paper for several long seconds, and then said "Deng yi xia" (Wait a moment). As I stood at the counter, I watched as she went over to a phone and made an agonizingly long phone call. I had no idea who she was calling or why, and just waited. And prayed.

An eternity later, she walked back over to me at the counter, handed me the phone, and in utter confusion I instinctively took it and spoke into it: "Hello??"

And I almost hit the floor when I heard the voice of my friend on the line.

In 1992, the college owned a house designed and built by George Mackay in 1875, and they happened to be using it for faculty housing that summer (today it is maintained as the Mackay Memorial Museum by Aletheia University).

It also just so happened that my friend was one of the teachers living in a room in that house built by George Mackay. And oddly enough, the girl at the Information Desk I had spoken to just happened to have graduated from Oxford College where my friend taught, and recognized the address as being located on its campus. She had called Oxford College and asked someone to contact the house where my friend was living and get him on the line ASAP.

THANK YOU, FATHER!!!

And scarcely an hour later I was in a car my friend borrowed from one of his students and we were Tamsui bound. My friend later discovered that the letter I had sent did actually arrive, but it had slipped through the cracks, so to speak—a secretary had forgotten to give it to him. He loaned me a sleeping bag and let me sleep on his floor for three weeks, and in those three weeks he helped me find a room to rent and a job teaching English in a local bushiban or "cram school," a type of local after-school learning center for kids that generously dot every city on the island.

So I literally slept on George Leslie Mackay's floor for my first three weeks in Taiwan. And just as the Lord was certainly with that powerful man of God when he arrived in Taiwan 150-odd years ago to bring the gospel of Jesus Christ to an island steeped in paganism and idolatry, He has certainly been with me as well, every step of the way since I came here. So much so that I sometimes feel as if a few molecules of the grace God poured out on Mackay rubbed off on me. I can look back over the last 32 years and see how, again and again, His gracious hand has guided my steps in the most unexpected and miraculous ways to lead me to where I am now and to what I am doing today for His glory.

And I give Him all the glory!

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And when I meet George Mackay in heaven and relate this story to him, I hope he doesn't mind that I crashed at his pad.


From Greg Lauer @ A Little Strength—JUN '24
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  1. Does the GWTJ involve judgement of fallen angels or nephilim? The Book of James says the church will judge angels so when does this happen?

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    1. I can see arguments for a judgment pan-Trib, given that when WE go up, THEY come down (the Rev. 12 switcheroo). Then of course the AC and FP are thrown alive into the Lake of Fire at the end of the Trib, whereas Satan is bound.

      However, I would argue their ultimate judgment is coterminous with the GWTJ for two reasons:

      1. Satan is bound until *after* the Millennial Kingdom, thus his ultimate judgment in the Lake of Fire/Gehenna is post-millennial. He is the chief of the rebel angels, thus may be representative of what they face. It would be odd if they were judged pre-Millennium while he was judged post-Millennium

      2. Those that are judged at the GWTJ are only referred to as "the dead." That these are *only* human is not explicit. Given that Satan and his rebel angels are cast down to earth at the beginning of/during the Trib, it figures they would be included among the dead that are raised to stand trial post-Millennium... Perhaps Psalm 82:6-7 is a hint.

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    2. I've always enjoyed the thought that the reason why the Devil is bound for a thousand years is that no one on earth during that time can say "The Devil made me do it" :D

      It puts the consequences squarely on mortal men for their sinful condition, making the buck stop at their doorstep, reinforcing why they need Christ as a Savior.

      Also, obviously, when you are sitting on a throne as Christ will be for 1000 years, you don't want constant interruptions from a vanquished adversary in your court. :)

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  2. Hey Greg, Great article!

    We might actually have an answer about the believer (natural body in the millennium) in (Rev 20:4-6). Specifically verse 5...

    I'm not sure that we can summarily assume that "the rest of the dead did not come back to life until the thousand years were complete." in verse 5, as only being unbelievers by the logical flow of the scripture here.

    The context is interesting here because those spoken of in verse 5, precede the end of verse 5 which states "this is the first resurrection", and seem to be included by that domino effect of text in the first resurrection by both verse 5 and 6 statements.

    Logically speaking with the context, why would you end that statement with "This is the first resurrection" if the believer in the Millennium isn't part of that First Resurrection?

    As you have stated, and I believe as well, the First Resurrection is in the form multiple events at successive times. This would be a clue that the Millennial believer is included in the First Resurrection as well. And those that are unbelievers, who signed up with Satan after he was loosed, and were slaughtered by the Sword of Christ's mouth (the Word) are part of that "rest of the dead" as well, and they certainly go to the GWT judgement.

    So, if this is what I think it is, then the mortal body believer of the Millennium gets their Glorified Body at the end of the Millennium by the statement of verse 5. It doesn't spell it out, but that's the implication.

    The only difference with them and the rest of the First resurrection is they won't reign with Christ for 1000 years because that is already over.

    In (Revelation 2:11) we are assured that the one that Overcomes will not be harmed by the Second Death. The way of Overcoming is simple, and is by faith in Jesus Christ as the Son of God (1 John 4:4-5).

    This is just as important and applicable to a Millennial saint, as to those of the Grace Age saints and Tribulation saints, who came before them.

    Their faith removes them from the GWT judgement next to occur, and as a member also of the First Resurrection, they receive their Glorified body at this moment.

    To put it simply, they are part of the First Resurrection, while the rest are part of the Second Resurrection at the very same moment.

    What are your thoughts on this?

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    Revelation 20:4-6

    4 Then I saw the thrones, and those seated on them had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image, and had not received its mark on their foreheads or hands. And they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

    5 The rest of the dead did not come back to life until the thousand years were complete. This is the first resurrection.

    6 Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection! The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and will reign with Him for a thousand years.
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    1. I hadn't thought about it in exactly those terms, but I think it does make a degree of sense. I was assuming, as I think many do, that "the rest of the dead" are strictly unbelievers. But I don't see any real problems with the way you have delineated it.

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  3. Great article, Brother Greg! Very enlightening. How blessed are we to participate in the FIRST RESURRECTION. Praise God!

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  4. And how awesome that our salvation has no "Shelf life"... :)

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  5. Hey Greg, I did want to ask what your reasoning or scripture for the Marriage Supper being on earth is?

    I have always thought that both the marriage and the marriage supper were in heaven, so I am curious. :)

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    4. I'm smiling inwardly as I write this, because I don't recall ever thinking the marriage supper was in heaven in my entire life--I have always thought thought it was on earth.

      Now, as far as WHY I think that, I suppose one reason is that fact that it is connected with the Parable of the Ten Virgins. It is the wedding feast (i.e. the marriage supper), that the five wise virgins are granted and the five foolish virgins are denied entrance to. And this is absolutely on earth, not in heaven.

      The Parable of the Ten Virgins is rich in meaning, but I have noticed over the years that the majority of people seem to struggle with its interpretation, and almost invariably come away from it with some errant ideas, or fail to see what it tells us about certain aspects of the end times.

      https://www.alittlestrength.com/articles/2023/2304-parables.htm

      P.S. I have a terrible time with the functionality of this comment section. Works with one browser, doesn't work with another, etc., etc., etc.

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    5. Thanks Greg! I'll check that link out.

      Your point is well taken about the 10 Virgins parable.

      There seems to be numerous delineation in scripture, about the distinction between "Wedding Guests at the Marriage Supper of the Lamb", and "Friends of the Bridegroom at the Wedding Feast".

      I don't speak for anyone else here, but my "opinion" is that the Wedding Feast is different from the Marriage Supper of the Lamb. I believe this is where a lot of confusion comes in for some folks.

      The terms “Wedding Feast” and “Wedding Supper” in the Bible often refer to significant eschatological events, but they are distinct in their contexts and meanings.

      Wedding Feast:

      This term is used in parables told by Jesus, such as the Parable of the Wedding Banquet in (Matthew 22:1-14), and the Parable of the Great Banquet in (Luke 14:15-24).
      These parables illustrate the Kingdom of Heaven and emphasize the invitation to all people to join God’s kingdom. The focus is on the invitation and the response of the guests. IE: The Millennial Kingdom on earth.

      Wedding Supper of the Lamb:

      This event is described in Revelation 19:7-9 and symbolizes the ultimate union between Christ (the Lamb) and His Church (the bride).
      It is a future celebration that will take place in Heaven, marking the culmination of God’s redemptive plan.
      The Wedding Supper of the Lamb is a joyous occasion where believers are united with Christ. IE: The Father's House in Heaven.

      In summary, while the Wedding Feast parables highlight the invitation to God’s kingdom and the varied responses, the Wedding Supper of the Lamb represents the final, joyous union of Christ and His Church in Heaven.

      For the wedding Supper, I've always considered the Jewish wedding typology, to mean that the 7 years (Tribulation) is our wedding booth (Bride and Groom sequestered and consummate the wedding for 7 days) and that the supper is afterward with the guests, in the father's house. Once again, in Heaven. Before the Millenium even is set up, or has started.

      We see the age old reflection of proper perspective from the spiritual to the corporeal, "As above, so below", or better known from the Lord's Prayer "On earth, as it is in Heaven".

      The Bride and Body of Christ is distinctly made up of Grace Age Saints, so the Wedding Supper is only for them and Jesus as two flesh becoming one.

      The Millennium will be the public presentation of the Lamb and His wife (the Church) to the rest of the Kingdom.

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  6. Gregg L. Thank you , Sir, for this massive message. It is truly impressive, 'n' will take me many months to ponder (if we have that much time left). My Dad was a Catholic, Mom-a Presbyterian; my finding the Hebraic Roots Churches saved my mind and my soul. Thank you Yeshua, that my 'salvation' does not depend on my comprehension of the GWT concept. May all of us have the 'oil required' for the next step of this Grand Transition with and to our Living and Eternal King and Priest who truly is our ONLY SALVATION. MARANATHA !

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  7. Excellent reading, and studying! I, too, am curious about The Marriage Supper of The LAMB, being on Earth..? My wife says it’s my preoccupation with, “When are we going to eat..?” She’s always correct! Thank you for a fine article!🙏

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  8. At https://www.raptureready.com/2024/07/06/dont-let-scoffers-and-date-setters-steal-your-crown-by-arden-kierce/ "Don’t Let Scoffers and Date-Setters Steal Your Crown :: By Arden Kierce" about the dangers of date-setting about the timing of the Rapture.

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  9. Brothers and sisters, I'm looking for input, on your end, regarding the Azovmena prophecies. The latest interview that I saw with Pastor Phillip was recorded around May '24. Even then, he was pretty certain, something like 90%, that the rapture would probably be around the Feast of Trumpets 2026. That would be September 11th. And he admitted that it could be anytime before that as well.

    I'm curious what you all think, because it occurred to me that he is one of those brothers that still holds to a 33 AD crucifixion. Therefore, it would make sense to him that 2033 would be the end of the proverbial second day and 7 years before also takes you to 2026.

    My own interest is piqued mainly because I just read this article . . .

    https://www.zerohedge.com/personal-finance/quinn-nothing-else-matters

    And it meshes pretty well with an idea that has been crossing my mind for months. The Pastor says with 100% certainty that God gave him a nuclear exchange date to start WW3 on November 11th of some upcoming year. And that is exactly 7 days after this year's presidential election.

    I promise I'm coming around to my point . . . lol . . . and it's mainly this: How likely is it, do you think, that the election involving the "last Trump" (Donald) is going to be contested for days, reaffirmed or refuted on the world stage, and ultimately instigate the final conflagration? Even secular "experts" have trouble seeing any normalcy this November. And I wonder how much the Pastor's own viewpoint has informed his date probabilities, because as far I can see, a 30 AD crucifixion (and possibly a 31 AD date in some models) is far more likely to lead to a Tribulation start on November 11th of 2024.

    Sorry if this is all convoluted. I don't really have the time to edit it tonight. But it's a good bit of speculation. Assuming that anything he says is God-inspired, it's hard to see how a rapture in September of this year would leave enough Christian voters to put Trump in office, but maybe the "last Trump" is only an obvious reference for the blind masses. And how ironic would it be if the campaign of the last Trump marked a direct moment of causation for an Israel-Iran, Russia-USA, and China-Taiwan conflict? The election only comes around every 4 years, obviously, and there has never been so much riding on one election in the history of the world. Everyone is paying attention to this Last Trump. And now we have Russian subs off the coast, and Chinese troops in our theater. I don't believe it's coincidental. Do you have an opinion?

    Jeremy

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    1. Hi Jeremy!

      You asked, "How likely is it, do you think, that the election involving the "last Trump" (Donald) is going to be contested for days, reaffirmed or refuted on the world stage, and ultimately instigate the final conflagration? Even secular "experts" have trouble seeing any normalcy this November." And you also mentioned Phillip Barnett's Azovmena prophecies.

      I've been collating prophecies including his and have shared at my blogsite what the Spirit of the Lord seems to be saying to the Church regarding 2024. It is VERY LIKELY this could be the Year of the Rapture!

      In The Sign of the Dragon and NYC--The Main Domino Leading to the Rapture I explain how more recent revelation has come forth indicating that NYC will be the main domino to topple THIS AUTUMN causing the last series of events to fall into place and culminate in the Rapture!

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  10. Hey Jeremy, do you mind if I repost your comment over at

    https://rev12daily.blogspot.com/2024/07/the-final-judgement-greg-lauer.html?sc=1720415038144#c181516800361122181

    There's some pretty savvy people over there too.

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    1. I don't mind at all. Thanks for asking!

      Jeremy

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  11. I do not give a single though to judgment. I chose CHRIST & that is that!

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  12. Greg, interesting providence today: the daily reading/Psalm/Q&A) on Jack Kelley's site, gracethrufaith.com. (kind of a one man gotquestions.org) had this question from a reader--don't know when this was written as his wife keeps the site going since he was called home in 2015, regarding the timing of the parables of Matt. 25:

    https://gracethrufaith.com/ask-a-bible-teacher/the-timing-of-parables-in-matt-25/

    While not the deep dive you present, it certainly agrees. Great minds . . . and all that! I always appreciate your articles and Jack Kelley is one of my favorite Bible teachers--among others, "E.F. Hutton" and all that.

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  13. The musical “The Music Man” made quite an impression in my youth. I played flute in the pit orchestra. The music man came to town selling brass instruments and his engaging personality and enthusiasm were contagious. He raised hopes of great things for the town’s youth who might otherwise be enticed by sin. (Trouble with a capital T….hmmm) After selling expensive instruments to the sincere townspeople, the concert was a disaster, but the proud parents heard what they wanted to hear and saw what they wanted to see. (My brother sent me a clip of ’76 Trombones’ for my 76th birthday on 7/6.)
    Mr. T is the music man. And the elect(orate) has been deceived. We are at a place on the timeline when only a King will do what needs doing. One who is inextricably bound to the Creator of the universe. Maranatha!

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  14. Below are some doubts and questions I've had a very hard time with, pertaining to the book of Revelation. I raise these in case someone wants to chime in with an attempt at answering them.

    Logical inconsistencies

    We are told in this book that most of the world will take the mark of the beast, thus damning these people to hell for all eternity. My question is this: Does it make sense that a loving God would damn to hell people who are simply trying to feed themselves and their families? Without the mark it is impossible to buy or sell. Therefore undoubtedly a large percentage of these people are not necessarily wicked people but simply people trying to survive. Does that make sense that a loving God would consign them to such a fate?

    Another: this book says the whole world will be struck with a strong delusion, worshipping the beast and false prophet. But can this be true? Anyone alive during the Tribulation could simply open up this book, read that this is the path to perdition and instantly decide that they aren't falling for the delusion. How can a delusion be perpetrated on these people when it will be obvious to everyone that it IS a delusion?

    Thirdly, the Bible says two different things about what happens at the end. The OT prophecies are that the nations will stream to Jerusalem, put down their weapons of war, and there will be a time of peace and prosperity for all time. But the NT says the world will burn up in flames and there will be a rapture up to heaven. How can both of these scenarios be true?

    Are there answers to these questions?

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    1. I am by know means an expert Greg but I trust the Lord to get it right. He is both just and merciful. I also recall what God told the rich man in hell when Lazarus asked to go back and warn his five brothers. God said, "they have the prophets and Moses and they still refuse to listen and if they won't listen to them they won't listen to someone coming back from the dead".

      Regarding the end tiome delusion....we already see it now with people choosing to believe lies. People would rather believe the lies. Man is without excuse we read in Romans. Undoubtedly, many will choose to believe in Jesus and those are the folks who will populate the Millenianl kingdom.

      Finally, taking the mark of the beast is about worshiping and following the antichrist. Scripture makes that clear and a side issue will be buying and selling. It will come at great cost but that is the reason we should be motivated to evangelize now.

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    2. Oops, I meant to address Zachary not Greg with my comment above.

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    3. Thanks for your response, but I am still perplexed by these questions. The whole world knows that the end times Antichrist would implement the mark of the beast and preside over a third temple. If that were to happen the whole world would instantly look up Scripture references to these things, thus robbing the delusion of whatever power it might have to fool people. So I don't see how the delusion would work. In addition I'm not aware of anywhere in Scripture that describes the economic function of the mark of the beast as secondary or a side issue. Rather it says that ALL will be forced to take it. Again I ask, is that justification for damning someone to hell for all eternity? Because they want to feed themselves and their families? With all respect I ask, how is that fair?

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    4. Most people are not going to be turning to their bibles! Many left behind already believe it is a book of fairy tales and the big lie will be "ailens" took us. The good people were left behind and the bad people were taken. They reject God and his only way to heaven now and they will double down for the most part after the rapture. They will for the most part take the mark because they will believe the AC and his lies. Look at the lies people currently believe. "I was born this way. There are more than two sexes. It is a fetus and not a baby. The shot is safe and effective. Global warming is man made. The earth and people took millions of years to evolve. The news media is trustworthy. The elections are fair. There are multiple ways to heaven. Israel is guilty of apartied." I could go on but you get the point. People are just more comfortable believing lies and the 7 year tribulation will still not get people to repent.

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    5. "I was born this way. There are more than two sexes. It is a fetus and not a baby. The shot is safe and effective. Global warming is man made. The earth and people took millions of years to evolve. The news media is trustworthy. The elections are fair. There are multiple ways to heaven. Israel is guilty of apartied"

      I believe most of those things myself. I have a hard time with the notion that people will be punished by God for believing them but not believing that Jesus fed thousands of people with a few loaves of bread. Why is BELIEF necessary for salvation yet there are miracles in the Bible that to be quite frank, sound like they probably never happened, so many reasonable people decide not to believe in them? I'm sincerely not trying to be disrespectful or combative here. I really just don't get it.

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    6. Hi Zachary, I'm going to weigh in here in the spirit of I hope helping, not combatting. For some people faith/belief comes easily. For others it requires more "proof" or at least argumentative, in the sense of apologetics, proof. Years ago there was a program on NPR that entailed a formal debate on issues of interest. The format included two experts, one each representing opposing sides of the issue. At the conclusion of the program the audience was invited to write in (long before text messages) to vote for the winner of the debate. Invariably I was so impressed by the experts that I couldn't decide who won. In the end it came down to which expert would I believe? I see that somewhat happening here in your questions. I appears as if you are approaching this dilemma from two different worldviews. They can't both be right, so which one holds the greatest credence? The world, or the Bible?

      I came to faith back in 1979 through having read Hal Lindsey's The Late Great Planet Earth. I had never heard of Bible prophecy, but through his demonstration of the fulfilled prophecies from the Bible, proofs if you will, I was convinced that the Bible is true--hence, belief. Our faith is not blind. It is absolutely reasonable. God doesn't give us every answer, hence the need for faith, but He has given us more than enough evidence that His ways are true and that we can trust His views on issues such as you mention above--whether it always makes sense to me or not. Have you ever read anything by Josh McDowell? His work called Evidence That Demands A Verdict is a classic in Christian Apologetics. I highly recommend it for you. He was an attorney who started out to DISPROVE the Bible/Christianity by examining the EVIDENCE. Needless to say, the evidence fully supports the Bible's claims, and he became a believer. There are others who have traveled that road also, case in point Lee Strobel's (an award winning journalist who also set out to disprove the claims of Christianity) The Case for Christ, e.g.

      We all come with built in pre-conceived ideas, through upbringing, education, peer influence, and other factors. With God, we need to try to put all those aside and approach His Word to us, not from what makes sense to me, but from is He trustworthy or not. All the questions you wrestle with are made clear in the Bible. I don't always say His ways are easy to understand or accept, but that's where we have a choice to side with Him or against Him. In the final analysis each one of us will be held accountable for our "position" regarding Christ. During the Tribulation, those left behind have already made their choice--up until the moment after the rapture. Yes, will be unspeakably hard for them, but God is not unfair. He gave them every opportunity/chance to believe BEFORE the rapture, and chose no. Now they will be able to believe still, but they will have to endure the hardships of navigating these horrific times in their own strength.

      This is getting too long, so I will simply say, I'm glad you raised the questions so others can pray for you that God will make Himself known to you in ways that make sense to you.
      Blessings

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    7. I guess it isn't hard to believe in miracles for a God who could speak the world into existence out of nothing at least for me. Much of what we study here is fulfilled prophecy and prophecies yet to be fulfilled. It is a great reason to aid our faith. In other words, it's not blind faith. The prophets said something was going to happen and then it occurred precisely just as they foretold. It gives God's word credibility for those who search and study. I would ask God to help your unbelief because in a nutshell that is indeed what saves us. God does all the work. The bible is pretty clear that no self-effort by man is sufficient to save us. God demands perfection and our trust in Jesus satisfies a Holy God. He is our only hope now or during the tribulation. Faith has always been God's way for man's salvation, past, present and future. Jesus says trust me.

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    8. Thanks for all of your responses. Respectfully I would disagree with two points raised above: that the Bible is historically or scientifically accurate in all cases, and that there is a dichotomy between worldly knowledge and scriptural knowledge.

      Many secular people are put off from the Bible because it says for instance that Moses and the Israelites tarried in the wilderness for forty years. Really? There is no archaeological evidence for that. So my question is, if people are saved by belief in the Bible then why are there demonstrable historical errors in it? Furthermore the idea that modern day historically literate skeptics are punished with suffering through the Tribulation BECAUSE they aren't or weren't convinced of the Bibles accuracy bothers me greatly. I suppose you might say humans have no excuse like Paul does. But belief and faith are challenged by historical inaccuracies. Why is there MERIT to overlooking such things? Or more precisely why is there punishment for not overlooking such things? Again I am not trying to be a pot stirrer here. I am just confused by some of these questions

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    9. Hi again, Zachary, actually in so far as I know (and I certainly don't know all) there has never been an archeological discovery that has contradicted or disproved the Biblical account. gotquestions.org addresses this subject in reference to the Exodus, as does Josh McDowel in the above referenced book, chapter 19. The historicity and archeological proofs are there, if not as thorough as we'd like. It takes intellectual honesty and an open mind to consider the evidence, free from built in biases and ready-made objections. The secular mind cannot understand the things of God; it only by His Spirit, available to every one of us upon faith in Christ. We aren't saved by believing in the Bible, we are saved by believing in the author of the Bible: Jesus Christ. In the end it comes down to will. I once asked the un-believing husband of a good friend if he would believe if I could prove the Bible is true. He said, "No." To which I said, "Then your problem is not with your mind, but your will." That's why included in my prayers for the unsaved is that they have not only eyes to see, ears to hear, minds to comprehend, hearts to receive, but wills to believe the gospel.

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  15. Regarding the GWT.

    I am sure we are all in agreement that there are no believers here at this Judgment seat of Jesus Christ.

    This is a closed private session for the THEM. And close by is the Lake Of Fire, where the Devil, Beast and False Prophet are. This is a place of torment forever and ever.

    Jesus talked about this place in the parable of the “Richman and Lazarus”.

    Jesus set the criteria for seeing the kingdom of heaven. He told Nicodemus, “You Must Be Born Again”. He also said, "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; and I give Eternal Life to them”

    The only reason for the audience given to these is to show the "Them" why they are going to be thrown alive into this Lake of Fire which burns forever and ever. These are the "Them" which have no place in the Kingdom of Heaven. Or anywhere else for that matter.

    Those nailed scared hands turn page after page of the Lambs Book Of Life and nowhere can be found the defendants name.

    Why it burns forever and ever is so they will feel every agonizing moment of Eternal Death. I firmly believe these people will remember every sniggering rolling eye comment, “your just a Conservative Christian Jesus freak” remark.

    John (The Baptist) refers to the believers as the Bride of the Groom (Jesus Christ) before the Church was even born.

    While this scene is happening we who are enjoying Eternal life are probably wondering where is Jesus? And a thought flickers by, and we realizes what His delay is.

    Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb.

    Rev. 20:11-15

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  16. Zachary

    I now most here would want to chime in response to the questions you have.

    The fact is only you can do that in your secret prayer life to the father through Jesus Christ.

    "Turn to Me and I will turn to you" He says! And that is all I'll say on that.

    On my web site which I created for myself over a period of 10 years, one can walk with the Lord Jesus through all 4 gospels at the same time, the KJB to the left and short cuts to the right.

    Grace through Faith

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  17. Most are aware that they tried to take out 45 yesterday. The Lord gave the details of this to Brandon at Last Days YTC who shared it back in March 14, 2024:

    Prophecy Trump's ear

    Brandon was told to intercede for 45 the night before and he spent the night doing so. See his "It happened" video--17 minutes. He gives a summary of what is coming including the power grid AND GETS CUT OFF!!!

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  18. A video of a man prophesying that Trump would get shot in the ear is currently making the rounds. 2 Thessalonians says that the Antichrist will come with LYING WONDERS.

    Satan has slithered INTO America's churches to get Christians to support this man as their counterfeit savior. I'm 95 percent sure that Trump will be the end times Antichrist and will confirm the peace covenant with Israel once he takes power again. Especially after his head wound he just suffered. (Revelation 13).

    A good way of seeing this is to compare Trump with who I consider his biggest type and shadow: Ronald Wilson Reagan (6+6+6 letters). Reagan was seen as a divisive figure before he suffered an assassination attempt. Afterwards he was seen as the great UNITER and the great PEACEMAKER. Look for Trump to make this rhetorical shift going forward. Look for Trump to confirm Christians in their mistaken belief that he is "God's anointed" with God's "hand of protection" on him. REMEMBER: the AC causes a "falling away" from the faith. Unbelievers don't fall away. BELIEVERS do. They will ultimately suffer by being imprisoned and executed by this immoral, greedy, lying deceiver they're gleefully handing the reins of power to. Tyranny and chaos are what Trump will bring - not peace and harmony.

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  19. All this speculative nonsense, makes me noxious!
    Some get it, most don't.

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