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Where Is The Dragon?

We've received many comments and emails from readers asking us what we think about the dragon and whether its seeming absence causes a problem with the Revelation 12 Sign.  Personally, identifying the dragon in the sky has never been a concern for me.  My study of Revelation 12 and other supporting Scriptures has led me to believe we shouldn't expect to see anything, at least in the near-term.  I'm not dogmatic about this and if a mysterious "Planet X" soon shows up then, well, more power to those looking for Nibiru, but from my perspective it is unlikely that Revelation 12:3-4 will manifest as an actual alignment of planets and stars.

There is no mention of the Sun or Moon in verses 3 or 4 as there is in Revelation 12:1-2 and stars are directly connected to the alignment of the Great Sign in verses 1 and 2, whereas they are not necessarily part of the sign of the dragon itself.  Stars are the only celestial objects mentioned in verses 3 and 4 and they are actually cast to the earth (even one actual star cast to the earth would consume the whole planet instantly).  The dragon is satan and the stars falling to earth are his accompanying angels which are thrown down during the War in Heaven (Rev. 12:9; see also Rev. 1:20).  Thus Revelation 12:7-9 directly parallels Revelation 12:3-4 and provides a clear explanation for Revelation 12:3-4 within the passage itself.

When considering the chronology of events in the book of Revelation I think we sometimes get too caught up in a very linear mindset, but Scripture is not purely linear.  God's Word is multi-dimensional and full of intricate patterns and connections.  Revelation pulls most heavily from the book of Isaiah yet Isaiah is not completely chronological.  It does have a beginning and ending, but it weaves in and out.  For example, Isaiah 26-27 is primarily about end time events including the resurrection of the dead, but many chapters later we see a detailed account of Jesus' death and resurrection (Isaiah 53).  Another example can be found in Genesis where the first chapter extends over the entire Creation Week, but the second chapter rewinds and expounds upon the details of the sixth day of Creation.  Remember that the original biblical manuscripts had no chapter numbers, verses, or even punctuation marks.  You didn't read God's Word by flipping pages, one after another, but by unrolling a scroll.  

The book of Revelation has one of the clearest chiastic structures in the entire Bible and at the heart of it all are the events in Revelation 12, thus it is my belief that what triggers the rest of the events in Revelation is the Church going up (Rev. 12:5) and the devil coming down (Rev. 12:12):

I think some of us are getting tripped up with the timing of things in Revelation 12:1-5, specifically when the dragon appears and the male child is raptured, but when we use the biblical principle of "line upon line", supporting Scriptures help to sort out the confusion.

First we start with Revelation 12.  We see 1. the Great Sign of a woman in travail appear in the sky, 2. the dragon and his government show up, and 3. a male child raptured to Heaven.  We've already explained why the male child must be the Church here.  These three events are connected by the Greek conjunction καὶ, which indicates a connection of ideas or thought, but not necessarily a chronological order of events.  The text doesn't demand that these events happen one after another, but in verse 4 we see that the dragon is near the woman and ready to devour her child as soon as the woman gives birth, so that indicates a timing of certain things.

Next we move to Isaiah 66:7, which is connected directly to Revelation 12:5 and the birth of the male child (arsen).  The child is a corporate entity born from the earth (Is. 66:8) and this child is a nation (Is. 66:8; compare to 1 Peter 2:9 and Deut. 32:21 and see Jeff's exposition here).  Amazingly, Deuteronomy 32:21, which prophesies this event, will be read by Jews all over the world on September 23, 2017.  The key detail we learn from Isaiah 66:7 about timing is that the male child is miraculously born before the woman goes into labor.

Revelation 12:2 describes the woman undergoing labor pains, so Revelation 12:5 would therefore occur before her pain begins.  Now before I go further, you might be thinking that I'm saying the rapture will definitely happen before 9/23, but I'm not saying that.  The Great Sign occurs on 9/23, but it is a picture or symbol of real earthly events, namely Israel's entrance into the Tribulation.  The labor pains are symbolic of the Time of Jacob's Trouble (Jer. 30:6-7, Matt. 24:8, 1 Thess. 5:3).  So all I am categorically saying is that the male child will be born and raptured before the Tribulation begins.  It is possible that the Great Sign doesn't directly coincide with the timing of certain things, but it could, so don't count out any possibilities.  Don't put God in a box.  The sign is the sign, but it could be a general "exit sign" pointing to the general nearness of the rapture.

So how then do we reconcile the fact that the dragon is already waiting to devour the child in Revelation 12:4?  How can Revelation 12:5 and Isaiah 66:7 occur before Revelation 12:4?

Isaiah 26:17-21 gives us the answer.  This passage is connected directly to and parallels Isaiah 66:7-8.  Again we see a woman in labor about to give birth and a corporate birth from the earth.

17 As a pregnant woman about to give birth
writhes and cries out in her pain,
so were we in your presence, Lord.
18 We were with child, we writhed in labor,
but we gave birth to wind.

We have not brought salvation to the earth,
and the people of the world have not come to life.

19 But your dead will live, Lord;
their bodies will rise—
let those who dwell in the dust
wake up and shout for joy
your dew is like the dew of the morning;
the earth will give birth to her dead.

20 Go, my people, enter your rooms
and shut the doors behind you;
hide yourselves for a little while
until his wrath has passed by.
21 See, the Lord is coming out of his dwelling
to punish the people of the earth for their sins.
The earth will disclose the blood shed on it;
the earth will conceal its slain no longer.

In verse 18 we see that the woman (Israel) gives birth to wind after her pains come - she gives birth to nothing.  But in verse 19 we see that God causes a miraculous birth from the earth - the resurrection of the dead.  So the missing piece of the puzzle is here.  The miraculous birth of a corporate male child occurs before the woman goes into labor and then her labor causes the delivery of wind because her own efforts have not brought salvation.

Side note: please notice that the newly resurrected dead "shout for joy".  In Leviticus 23:24 when the Feast of Trumpets is first defined it is called teruah (hence Yom Teruah), which actually means "shout".  "Blowing of trumpets" is actually interpretive license.  Other Scriptures indicate trumpets are blown on this day (Num. 10:10, Ps. 81:3), but that shouldn't detract from the fact that the Feast of Trumpets is the Day of Shouting.  The word in Isaiah 26:19 is different, ranan, but it means essentially the same thing: to sing or shout for joy.  This is an interesting possible connection between the Feast of Trumpets and the resurrection and rapture of the Church.  Then in verses 20-21 we learn that God's newly resurrected people are commanded to hide in their rooms during the future cataclysmic global judgment (compare this to John 14:2-3, which seems to be clear proof of a pre-trib rapture).

So in summary, when we reconcile Revelation 12 with Isaiah 26 and 66, along with other supporting Scriptures like Jeremiah 30:6-7, Matthew 24:8, 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17, and 1 Thessalonians 5:3, this is the chronology we get:

1. The dead in Christ are resurrected and living Believers are changed.  Together they are all raptured to Heaven where they are hidden away (which makes Colossians 3:3 and Ephesians 2:6 interesting already-but-not-yet prophecies).  This is Revelation 12:5.

2. The dragon is cast down to earth with his angels.  The raptured Church then rejoices in Heaven because satan was cast down while their faith in Christ's blood atonement proved sufficient for salvation (Rev. 12:10-11).  The inhabitants of the earth are then told "Woe!" because satan has come down to them to wreak havoc.

3. Labor pains come upon the woman (Israel) and satan stands ready to devour the child, but she delivers nothing (wind).  The Tribulation begins (Jer. 30:6-7, Matt. 24:8, 1 Thess. 5:3) and the dragon pursues the woman (Rev 12:13).

4. At the midpoint of the Tribulation the woman flees to a place of safety (Rev. 12:6, 14).  The dragon tries to destroy her, but since he cannot he turns his attention to her other children (Rev. 12:15-17; probably Gentile Tribulation Saints).

If you're curious about what the rapture will be like, check out this article.

If you're not sure you'll be raptured then yield yourself to the LORD and believe and accept what He has done for you.

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  1. This aligns with my thoughts. Thank you for a wonderful article! I can't wait for the Rapture, and hope He comes soon!

    1. I have wondered about the dragon also, but as I was doing some research I also have seen that the constellation Draco is in close proximity to Virgo in September and then in October there will be a Draconid shower. Not exactly a sign of evil, but something to think about. I started researching this when The Star of Bethlehem first came out and I purchased a bunch of DVDs for our church.

  2. There is some possibilities as to what the Dragon actually is. it could refer to Draco, Serpens, and/or Hydra constellations, either the Antares or Arcturus red giant stars, or it could be a yet future unexpected event as hinted by the use of "behold!" in verse 3.

    1. The InformedChristians channel on YouTube makes a strong case for it being Draco, since it rotates around the pole. They apparently found the book that Paul quoted (Phenomena) and it talks about Draco as the Fiery Red Dragon. Since John was a fisherman and probably knew how to navigate by the stars, he was using the language he knew to describe it. The other two serpents (Hydra/Serpens) are also mentioned in scripture in other places, so this seems like a strong candidate. If they are right, the only thing we need to know the date is to know the end date of this turning and rewind back roughly a third.

      As for a third of the stars being cast down, I wonder how many fewer stars we see in the modern era compared to when John lived. We have so much light pollution and atmosphere differences that perhaps a third of the stars can't be seen today, and John noticed this. (This is just a theory of mine)

    2. Hi Kris

      I think we have to be careful when we insinuate that the Rev12 23 Sept constellation sign is the actual sign that John saw. Looking at the language in the chapter, we can strongly suggest it was most indeed, NOT what John saw.

      The 23 Sept sign is more likely a celestial sign in the sky, aligning with key aspects of Rev12, giving a time marker of when John most likely pictured the heavenly sign.

      John was not one to exaggerate the facts, particularly considering the importance of holding every word of God true.

      To further clarify - Ill note some of the key wording in some of the sentences, and show where it doesn't fit the 23 Sept sign.

      But first - you have to remove all pictures in your head of the great pics of the woman, lion, and lines joining up the stars in the heavens. John would have known the mazzaroth, and knew the significance of the stars, but that wouldn't cause him to read into something that was not visibly present.

      Rev 12: 1 - A great sign appeared. Constellations don't 'appear', and they are not 'great'. What John saw was unlikely a bunch of stars that he had to then somehow make some mental adjustments to the stars in the sky to turn the stars into a woman. He was adamant he saw a 'woman', not the constellation bearing the virgin stars.

      The woman was clothed with the sun. Again - our stellarium shots show that she would have had an attachment in the form of a sun, but this is not what John saw. Clothing covers a person completely. A star (the sun) to the left of one of the stars of the virgo constellation is not 'clothing'. Remember - John told us what he actually saw, he didn't say "I saw xxx that was like xxx". He actually saw these things.

      The woman had a crown of twelve stars on her head. There are 12 stars above the constellation virgo that are 'crowning' the constellation, but it is not a crown.

      2"She was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth". Now it is important to note here that John doesn't include any discussion on the old testament here. He SAW a woman who was...crying out in pain! Constellations do not get pregnant, and they most certainly do not cry out in pain. Yes John was a fisherman and probably knew how to navigate the stars, but to suggest the constellation virgo was crying out in pain would be abusing his position as a prophet, if there was no indication in the constellation that she was in pain.

      5She gave birth to a son, a male child, who “will rule all the nations with an iron sceptre". Again - stars are stars. While we can indicate that Jupiter is indicative of Christ. John is not giving a metaphor, he is giving a vision, and the vision is of a MALE CHILD. Stars do not have genders, so they can in no way be 'seen' by John to be a male, and he most certainly would not have concluded that the male was a child, as stars retrograding inside the 'womb' of a constellation do not all of a sudden get turned into a child. It wasn't a child when it entered the womb, and it certainly was not a child when it left.

      Anyway - I could go on.

      The point is, we need to be careful that we don't make fanciful claims that the 23 Sept sign was actually what John saw. That would take a fair chunk of twisting scriptures to suit our claim. Instead, we align the fact that God has given us a replica of some (not all) of the signs in Rev 12 that have a celestial manifestation - indicating that God is telling us the timing of the events of Johns vision/what he saw, not actually what he saw. Some of the manifestations of the vision, we can see in the constellations, other parts we can (will) see here on earth (for example, Matt 24 gives us indication of what the 'birth pangs' look like on earth, nation against nation etc)

      Hope that helps.


    3. October 7th and 8th has a meteor shower that comes from Draco...just saying it might be something to consider

    4. Through and Through have you seen any of the videos produced by "Heavenly Sign 2017"? They are on You Tube. I think you might have a better understanding and change your mind if you watched some of these videos.

      I also think you will be amazed by how God's timing is perfect and imperceptible to mere humans without His help to guide us and help us "see" His plan. The numbers, dates, and prophecies all line up according to Steve and for confirmation Scottie Clark has some incredible videos as well that bring out many points Steve doesn't. I hope you find them eye opening!

  3. As always, outstanding study Bro. Gary! Love all you guys so much!!! See you in the air!!! :)

  4. Why hasn't any consideration been made regarding the great red serpent being a high altitude nuclear detonation that causes an EMP? 1) The blast creates a torus shaped blast 2) a torus is the same shape as the ouroboros 3) an ouroboros was a commonly identified symbol for anyone familiar with greek culture for a snake eating its own tail 4) it very likely will cause a red aurora similar to the Starfish Prime experiments conducted by the US in the 1960s 5) it will take out over 90% of the low earth orbit satellites in the first 30 days 6) a debris field will very likely form as a result of the Kessler syndrome; get a big enough debris field and it can show up in the sky. And what do you suppose would happen to the nation that just destroyed every satellite for every nation on Earth? Retribution. What do you suppose rockets and missiles look like as they fall from the sky? John certainly had never seen one before--but that's what a star falling to heaven might look like to him. A trail of smoke being led by a pinpoint of fire that explodes with the brilliance of the sun. But more importantly, it satisfies the explanation as to how the great red serpent is seeking to devour the child as soon as it is born, because anyone witnesses it will either have faith that God is going to deliver them, or fear and doubt as a response. Which one do you suppose the modern church is most likely to express during such a crisis?

    1. While that's certainly possible, one main issue with the loss of technology as a result of an EMP, is what the Bible says about the Two Witnesses, who will be hated by the whole world, who will celebrate their deaths. For this to happen, there still as to be some global communications intact.

      Also consider that what is described in Rev. 14:6-7 as a "messenger (what "angel" actually means) flying in the midst of the heavens" sounds an awful lot like a satellite, or at least a radio broadcast.That means there will be some technology still working in the Great Tribulation.

    2. Yes, there will still be technology and while it will take out 90% of low earth orbit satellites the high earth orbit satellites will remain largely unaffected. So we're talking about roughly 500 satellites that will be lost, but there's still another 500 that won't be.

    3. There's also the problem of scintillation. It wouldn't have to take out a GEO satellite directly to affect it's ability to transmit.

  5. If the Rapture is on 9/23/17 a thought came to me today. I wondered if there is a connection to the 23rd Psalm. When I reviewed the scripture again, after reading this article, I felt like there is. Your thoughts? I am not a Bible Scholar but just a Believer excited to be raptured :)

    1. The Bible says all will see the sign of the son of man coming in the clouds. There is a Comet called Catalina, which is surrounded by 7 objects in the sky. NASA also calls them comets and 4 of them have different Elenin names. NASA claims Elenin broke up; however, there are many photos of this system which always makes the sign of a cross and I find it interesting and suspect that NASA claims this group or a part of it was destroyed. There are NASA images that show this group produced a plasma reaction or explosion on the day they claim it was destroyed; but there is footage clearly showing this system or group defending itself and it still being present after the reaction!

  6. Gary, you mentioned that Deuteronomy 32:21 will be read by Jews in Sept 23rd. Why is that?

    1. Justin, every Sabbath in synagogues across the world,Jews read the same Torah portions. (Torah = first five books of the Bible) If you search "Torah portions" you will find many sites that have the schedule along with rabbinic commentaries.

    2. Thank you Kathy for that. I appreciate the kind response.

    3. To anyone who is interested, you can see the list of the Scriptures yourself at http://torahcalendar.com/PDF/Parashah.pdf. There is another Scripture read that is pertinent as well--check out my comment below<3

  7. Justin-

    Check out Greg's article http://www.unsealed.org/2017/04/the-salvation-of-church-and-torah.html

    < and >

    do some of your own research, give Gary a break! :-)

    1. Whoops, pardon me, it is Jeff's article and scholarship.

  8. We don't want to forget the thing that Google is trying to cover up in Google Sky in the constellation of Virgo you can see it when you click on infrared

    1. Yes there is something the goggle has blacked out and it looks like a red dragon face at her feet

  9. Whatever the "dragon" from Revelation 12:3 is, it is a sign "IN HEAVEN" like Rev12:1 and 15:1 and has therefore to be formed by literal CELESTIAL BODIES somehow. This is written. Period. But either way, we don't have to fear it because we will be snatched up before it can threaten us. :)

  10. Excellent article, Gary.
    Of course it's all good, but I especially like the layout on the book of Revelation. That it would be rolled up like a scroll, both sides toward the center makes since. I've honestly never considered that before, and I'm grateful for the clue. Hope to meet you in the throne room soon. Maranatha!

  11. I do not think it is celestial either. I did some digging and this is what I come up as understanding of the passage. No scholar in the Bible by any means and can very well be totally off. This is my opinion and research on the dragon in versus 3-4.

  12. apologies that the below is a little convoluted, however my wife is calling me, so I better be obedient...

    I tend to hold Rev 12 - 'the dragon' sign similar to that in Revelation 15:1 - "Then I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvelous, seven angels who had seven plagues, which are the last, because in them the wrath of God is finished."

    Both were 'signs in the heavens', and both seemed to indicate actual events in heaven that held earthly implications. In Rev 15, the angels (in heaven) were holding the plagues that had immediate earthly, physical consequences. In Rev 12:3 there is an actual dragon (Satan) - however the 'heads, horns, crowns' seem to indicate both spiritual and earthly 'powers authorities, principalities etc. In Colossians 1:16 hints at some of these "For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities-- all things have been created through Him and for Him". That is rulers/authorities (heads), dominions (horns), and thrones (crowns)…although acknowledging that in Revelation 17, the same dragon (called the beast who also has the same number of heads and horns, where both horns and heads are referred to as kings (and hills), so I would need to look at the alignment of Rev 12 and Rev 17 more closely. We know in Eph 6:12 that this is principally spiritual "For our struggle is ... against the rulers, ... powers, ... world forces..., against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places". Note they are in heavenly places in Eph 6 (aligning with Rev 12), but with earthly equivs) such as noted in Col 1:16, and Daniel 8, 9, 11 etc.

    The key thing is who, or what, the dragon might represent. We know that Satans influence is far reaching, either indwelling (AC), scheming (influencing/leading astray (people)), accusing (Christians) or opposing (God), and there is clear

    Rev 12:16 is of particular interest - as it notes the 'method' by which Satan persecutes Gods people. "Then from his mouth the serpent spewed water like a river, to overtake the woman and sweep her away with the torrent."

    In Genesis, it is God and God alone who brings a flood to bring destruction on the earth, whereas in this circumstance it is Satan who brings about the flood (or river), not God. We know that there are many instances (Job anyone) where God uses Satan to bring about, or permit his will, however in this circumstance, Satan goes it alone, with God intervening to thwart Satans plans. Isaiah 59 speaks of this in its end-time discussions “when the enemy comes in like a flood, I will raise up a standard”.

    I also find it interesting that the scripture uses the term “the dragon spewed”. We (perhaps, and this is a big perhaps) see this also in Rev 3:16, but from Gods perspective where Jesus, talking to the Laodiceans, stated “I will spew you out of my mouth”. I am interested to see that what was ‘spewed’ out of the mouth of Jesus was a people group (false believers), and wonder if we could draw from that, that Satan will use a people group (false religion) to bring about his persecution of Israel. We know that Islam has an utter hatred for Israel, but I would tentatively state that the Roman Catholic church has been known for its anti-semitic past as well…but just thinking out loud here. If this is the case, then Rev 12:16 “earth opened its mouth and drank up the river which the dragon poured out of his mouth” could simply refer to Gods destruction of the peoples groups which came against Israel (Gog/Magog war???, Psalm 89 war???, Armageddon?????) during the time of Jacobs trouble, and could involve the 7 heads and 10 ‘horns’ (rulers/kings) noted earlier in the chapter.

    1. Dear friend, Rev15:1 is also formed of celestial bodies like the other two "signs/wonders in heaven" i.e. the Pleiades in constellation Taurus 2024 (see unsealed article on 'the second advent' on this page). You are right, the heavenlies have always earthly consequences as well like in our LORDS PRAYER it says "Thy will be done in earth as it is in heaven" - but always HEAVEN COMES FIRST!

      The "dragon spewing water" can easily be explained by some meteorite strike (see Rev8:8 or 8:10) into the Mediterranean or Atlantic Ocean causing a massive tidal wave into Israel but not destroying Jerusalem. The "earth helping the woman" would then be the same earthquake event splitting Mt Olives in half at the midpoint of tribulation until Jesus comes back for Armageddon (Zech14:4) leaving a big valley where the water can go but not drowning fleeing Israel. I have no problems to imagine earthly cataclysm from heavenly action described if I see what kind of 'birth pangs' in weather extremes God shows us already today (and this is just the beginning!). YouTube channels "world of signs" or "the two preachers" highly recommended! :) Blessings!

  13. Why does NASA and Google BLOCKING OUT a tiny portion of the heavens? There's "something there, there" the "powers" don't WANT us to see.... and, in fact, the pictures I have seen of the "object" BEFORE "it" was blocked, SURE looks like the dragon of Revelation 12 Sign to me. I am placing the NASA.gov link (below my comments) for all to see the "Red Dragon" pictures - but scroll all the way down when you get to this link - The LAST picture (at the bottom) looks like the "Red Dragon." ALSO, this Red Dragon is now positioned BETWEEN the legs of Virgo, so as to devour the child when born - EXACTLY as the Revelation 12 Sign now appears!

    -------> https://skyview.gsfc.nasa.gov/userimages/index/2014-06-15_2.html

    Twitter: @Rev12Sign

    1. Absolutely. Some on this site are still doubtful and dismiss it.

      One opinion is that the Genesis story of the Serpent 'brusing' and slithering is also a double meaning.

      "He will slither on the ground, creeping" - Nemesis comes from the 'ground' (the South)

      "He shall eat dust all his life" - The system drags and breathes a trail of space debris

      "He shall bruise the heel" = Will one of the planets of Nemsis clip Jupiter, the Messiah planet?

    2. Okay, since you clearly aren't very intelligent, allow me to explain: that image, of the "censored" portion that you claim looks like a dragon (maybe if you're on bad acid) ? It was taken from IRAS. If you don't know what that is, it's a satellite that used infrared photography to survey space back in 1983. With this info, we know two things: one, this data is almost three and a half decades old, and two, we know we can figure out what this "dragon" you're so afraid of is. So, for it to show up like that, we know it has to be a pretty bright, close object, most likely a planet, and it has to have been between the "legs" of Virgo in 1983. Now bring up stellarium, put in the appropriate date range, and oh look, what's that there in the exact same place as this "dragon?" It's Saturn.

  14. I've often thought that Revelation 12:14 was interesting in that the woman is given two wings of a great eagle. If you were John, how might you describe an airplane?

    1. Yes, me too.

      What John was shown was many things he had never seen before and did his best to describe them. He had to have been in total awe given a glimpse of things to come from a time he wasn't familiar with.

      Can you imagine meeting and talking to John and others face to face one day in heaven, what a time it will be when we meet them in heaven.

      Titus 2:13

    2. James, compare this scripture with Exodus 19:4 or Deuteronomy 32:9-11 this is how God describes Himself dealing with Israel (as well e.g. Isaiah 40:31 comforting passage well known to most of us!) and caring Himself for His people in a miraculous and powerful way. :) in this case I don't really think of an airplane (although the idea is compelling!)

    3. Thanks Annabel. I read the verses you referenced and see some similarity in Exodus and Isaiah although it strikes me that eagle wings are used figuratively. I still think the Revelation verse is special in that the woman is provided wings that "she might fly."

      The verb is πέτηται (petētai), Strong's 4072. From what I can tell, this is the only occurrence in this form.

      I'm probably a bit loco but I like to believe the Word of God is "living and active." I can easily read Revelation 12:14 as literal only the wings are those of a passenger plane. She's still 'flying' nonetheless.

    4. James it is very possible that John would describe a plane like the wings of an eagle; but what else do we associate with an eagle? The US is known as an eagle and many believe the woman also known as the people of Israel are protected by the US.

  15. Often times God uses a prophecy as a multifold prophecy.
    Could it be this is a 3 fold prophecy?
    Draco, Satan and the fallen angels cast out of heaven and stars falling?

    Isn't when a prophecy happens 3 times confirmation?

    Just thinking out loud.

    Titus 2:13

  16. Some have said that the War in Heaven lasts 3.5 years. How can that be? Wouldn't they want to clear the atmosphere and the heavens from the rebel angels FIRST before evacuating tens of millions of people (the Child)? As we have heard, 'We go up, they come down'.

    It would make sense that right after the disappearances, all hell breaks looks in the Mid East as the panic could be taken advantage of by the Arabs and a surprise attack on Israel begins. Is that the destruction and 'labour pain'?

    They will not battle for 3.5 years, absurd. It's quick and decisive!

  17. "'Blowing of trumpets' is actually interpretive license."

    Amen. It'll be worse than that by the time I'm done with it.

  18. When it comes to Rev 12 you also have to look at the "tense of each verse.

    Rev 12:5 is in "Past Tense" and the "man child" is singular, Her pregnancy in travail in verse 1-2 is "Present Tense" (in context with the same verses), and could actually be Her other offspring (plural) way down in verse 17 also in "Past Tense" by that time, since she also escapes the Dragon.

  19. Dear @all, I just came across one of the recent YouTube videos of "THE NIBIRU" 8/25/17 normally I don't watch Paul Begleys 'are you serious??' too much but this one is interesting: he gets a clue into Job38 and the "loosening of the bands of Orion" where astrophysicists have documented (!!) to have discoveries Nibiru / Planet X recently. Have a look! https://youtu.be/Qt1qBzKu3ms

    1. Thank you.
      Son and I have discussed Job 38 before and it is mind blowing.
      And I believe the scroll is the title deed to planet earth too. Jesus is taking back what is his every time he pops a seal. He is evicting Satan.

      Titus 2:13

    2. One of the issues I have with the Rev. 12 sign is that fact that when it passes over Israel on 9/23-24/17, it will not be viewable with the naked eye, will it? Because anyone would have to look straight into the sun to see it, wouldn't they? But I may be missing something. (Hey, it's happened.) Using glasses tinted enough to make viewing the sun safe would also block out the stars and planets involved. Blocking out the sun separately with some optical device wouldn't make the constellations visible because the earth's atmosphere will still be lit up too much.

      Hence the need for some celestial body to block the sun, leaving a shadow big enough to shade our atmosphere as well. Afaikt, that's where the Planet X/Nibiru connection is made (in the minds of some, at least).

      Besides all that, Through and Through has raised some pertinent issues. I'll be interested to see how Gary, Jeff, or anyone else addresses them.

      I don't mean to rain on anybody's parade here, but issues are issues, y'know?

      God bless y'all.

    3. Hi Chuck-

      I believe it will be 830p when the Rev 12 sign rises in the sky above Israel. However, here in the US the sun will still be shining and thus, no constellation viewing. However, not to say Nibiru visits that day or time, but the Rev 12 sign is for Israel, not for the US (see 1 Cor 1:22). Most all of the better youtube videos on this make this clarification. Just know we are just 4 weeks away and anyone can see it using any star/cosmology software programs. God Bless!

    4. Yes several men of God have said if you know of the sign, have watched a video about the sign, or have seen the sign on an astronomical program then you have already seen the sign.

      It's also been said the sign isn't for believers, but for Israel!

  20. It is good we are sharing Scriptural knowledge and even our speculations. I agree with you Gary we may never figure out every detail that leads up to the harpazo for only God Himself has got the detailed plan:) Did you also see that Isaiah 56 is to be read September 23?

    "The Lord God, which gathereth the outcasts of Israel saith, Yet will I gather others to him, beside those that are gathered unto him." Isaiah 56:8

    It is noteworthy that this verse is to be read on the Sabbath of September 23, 2017, on the 2nd day of the 7th month according to http://torahcalendar.com/PARASHAH.asp. (To those interested: If you go to this link, click on the PDF link of the Standard Scriptures Version to find this on their Parashah Cycle chart).

    When you wrote, "Stars are the only celestial objects mentioned in verses 3 and 4 and they are actually cast to the earth (even one actual star cast to the earth would consume the whole planet instantly)", you were correct of course. The events of Revelation Chapter 12 are both physical AND spiritual but how will they manifest? I believe there will be a celestial manifestation of the Dragon. "The physical aspect of the third of the stars falling cannot be the Perseid or Draconid Meteor Showers for in no way will it appear that one-third of ALL the stars are falling. BUT the meteor shower associated with Planet X will look like this!" [excerpt from http://lynmelvin.blogspot.com/2017/08/time-to-save-with-fear.html]

    Most people equate Nibiru with Wormwood because Wormwood is referred to as a "star" in Rev. 8:11. The word "star" is translated from the Greek word "aster" which can be translated "star" but I believe it probably more accurately should be translated "asteroid". What is known about Nibiru historically and scientifically indicates the very real possibility that it could drag with it a large asteroid like Wormwood. Of course, those who are in Christ will have been harpazo-ed out of here before the sudden destruction as I believe 1 Thess 5 tells us (and which I share in the blog article "By the Skin of Our Teeth").

    Like children at Christmas time we see the day coming and are excited to talk about what will happen! I believe this is pleasing in His sight and am honored to be a part of it! (P.S. Please no replies about my analogy. I already know about Christmas and heathens.) LOOKING FORWARD TO THE 'DAY OF SHOUTING' WITH YOU<3

  21. Question (and forgive me if this has been previously covered):

    What of Ophiuchus?

    The sixth planet Saturn has been in the right leg of Ophiuchus much (if not all) of the time that Jupiter has been in retrograde. (I have not referenced exactly how long). But the history of Ophiuchus the "Serpent Bearer" is interesting. Is it not "outcast" among the 12 classical constellations and divided between other constellations?

    Might we consider Ophiuchus (along with Serpens Caput and Serpens Cauda) to be a celestial representation of the serpent/dragon that stands before the woman?

    I thought I would throw that out there for discussion and personal examination.

    Love like there's no tomorrow!

    Pastor Rich

  22. Since we are still fresh on the dragon (aka satan), would anyone care to speculate on adding Joe Biden to the AC watchlist? I know this is the Rev 12 red dragon discussion, but The Atlantic (via Drudge Report) published 'We Are Living Through a Battle for the Soul of This Nation' by Joe Biden. Does Joe have "The Plan" and "The Charm" the world is/will be seeking in times such as these? He has 8+ yrs of being on world TV having been former VP and is part of the i-club...so how timely of this article saying the current president is not doing what he can...or could do...

    Not endorsing, just sharing so folks know what ole Joe is saying:

    1. I am no Bible scholar, but I have been doing a lot of digging, researching, and studying the sign and everything related to it, including the related Bible verses. I believe the Bible is pretty clear the ac will arise from the Middle East. Some pastors say it's as specific as Turkey, but I am not certain myself. I don't believe the saints will be here when the 1wg, 2 witnesses, or ac arrive on the scene.

  23. Just a thought on the clarity of the dragon sign and it's identification...the Rev12 sign seems so vivid in clarity because it is meant for and given as an pronouncement of God's timing. If this is so, this is a heralding call meant for His church and intended to be received and known by those awake and looking. Scripture is clear that the "man of lawlwssness" would not be revealed until He who restrains is taken out of the way. The revealing of the dragon/corporate world establishment of the antichrist will not be known by us. Therefore, that sign of the dragon may well be revealed only after our harpazo..intended for those left behind to behold. We can speculate and wonder, but the absence of clarity of the sign of the dragon need not be a hindrance, only confirmation that we won't see the dragon.

  24. 1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: 2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered. And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

    Personally for me, I do not understand why we would see a sign in the heaven for verse 1, but not see a sign in the heaven for verse 3 when it says there appeared "another wonder in heaven". Either way God is in control and it will unfold per His will. Thank you for your work! I enjoy watching your channel.

    1. watch the interview https://www.facebook.com/Rev12Daily/posts/1507833979309603
      56:00 talks about the red dragon in google sky at the legs of Virgo ready to devour the child

  25. NASA plans to crash the Cassini space probe into Saturn on September 15 for its Grand Finale as they call it. That got me to thinking... Saturn is a gas giant, made up of mostly hydrogen. There are small amounts of nitrogen and oxygen in the atmosphere too. Air (nitrogen/oxygen) mixed with hydrogen is EXPLOSIVE when a spark is applied. That spark would be Cassini burning up on entry. Not to mention the remaing nuclear fuel burning up too. The resulting fire would glow red. There's the fiery RED dragon. I doubt the whole planet will blow up, but this impact could turn the clouds red for a period of time just days before the Woman gives birth! Where is Saturn in relation to the other planets in the September 23rd sign?

    1. Anon, one meme in the alt media for years, well below the surface, is that there is a plan to ignite Jupiter and create a 2nd sun. Apart from the evil human hubris to simply DO it and get to play God, I am not sure why they want to do this, but it has been discussed as a hidden agenda for years.

  26. I have a question. The old Farmer's Almanac says that there is going to be a Harvest Moon on the sixth of September, exactly two weeks before the New Moon is officially listed on the 20th. Harvest Moons can appear red, depending on where you view it from. Maybe this has some bearing? What do the stars look like on that night?
    Also, the President of the United States is scheduled to meet with the Prime Minister of Israel on the 17th of September, ahead of a meeting before the UN. Could that be a hint of a treaty that is signed just in time for Rosh Hashanah?

  27. Make no mistake: The Dragon is there! It's not in the visible realm but you can see it in the UV spectrum. I know the feeling of seeing this and thinking it too strange to be real but you can go on Google Earth in sky mode and see it yourself. Do some research on it on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhkMP7a0vgE&feature=share and look for yourself. I took a pic on https://skyview.gsfc.nasa.gov/current/cgi/query.pl Copy and paste these coordinates into Skyview 13 50 44.0 -8 13 59.7 Change IRAS to 100 micron and in the "other options" below select "Red Temperature go back to the top and select "submit". The same coordinates on Google Earth in Sky mode (with "Featured Observatories" and "Backyard Astronomy" turned on) will take you to the censored version where you zoom out to get the full picture. The censor black patch is copyright 2007 and it was completely covered as recently as of 2014. It has become way bigger than the patch in the last 3 years. In my opinion this thing is headed in this direction.
    I wish there was a way I could share the uncovered pic with you all. I just discovered Unsealed.org you guys are the best. I challenge just one of you to follow up on this lead and share what you find.

  28. This thing is near Spica of Virgo right in the path of Jupiter as it leaves.

  29. I think this timeline is a fantastic truth as I see it in scripture, so let me add to it because it still doesn't answer where the dragon is. I do not know that I know either, but I have me some thoughts:)

    Would it be that the sign of the dragon happens between September 9 and September 23? Mirror natural child birthing with the woman in labor. September 9 is the day many have found in stellarium in which Jupiter begins its decent to give birth. Using the word play, would it be the woman in labor is beginning labor on September 9 as if the water broke? I am a watchman trying to see the sign and investigate like all of you, so I don't know, but understanding pregnancy and labor to understand the "woman in labor" is akin to understanding the feasts of Israel and the Jewish wedding ceremony to understand God's Day timer and clock as Mark Biltz puts it. So, read Revelation 12 and you tell me when the Dragon appears and go to strongs and understand the word used in the Greek for "appears" and understand that the connotation in the greek is "to allow oneself to be seen" (that really jumped off the page for me personally).

    STRONGS NT 3700: ὀπτάνω

    ὀπτάνω (ὈΠΤΩ): to look at, behold; middle present participle ὀπτανόμενος; to allow oneself to be seen, to appear: τίνι, Acts 1:3. (1 Kings 8:8; Tobit 12:19; (Graecus Venetus, Exodus 34:24).)

    And when does the dragon stand? Just before the woman was "about to" or "was ready" to give delivery, "to bear or bring forth."

    In sum, seems to me that the Dragon will choose to be seen and God will allow it between September 9 through 23 (which also looks like 9-23) because labor will have commenced and the woman is about to give birth.

    Lastly, and less important for me is the literary understanding of Revelation 12. Many have talked about how Revelation 12 is a parenthesis in the book of Revelation and Scotty Clarke has talked about how everything can be understood as happening in layers. I agree. Another way to help understand this since we so often want to understand the narrative sequentially is thinking of Revelation 12 as "in medias res" or "into the middle of a narrative." Could it be as you read Revelation 12 that God tells a story like this "in medias res" in which the entire chapter is told in a way to skip right to the important part (the rapture of the Church) and then explain everything that happens around it? While also telling the important part in that all of Revelation 12 is essentially a view of the time of Jacob's trouble, when God Himself turns his attention to His chosen people, the Jew?

    Just trying to piece it all together. Let us watch and see.

  30. Let me know what you think:)

  31. Joy on the Feast of Trumpets Neh 8: 10 Then he said unto them, Go your way, eat the fat, and drink the sweet, and send portions unto them for whom nothing is prepared: for this day is holy unto our Lord: neither be ye sorry; for the joy of the Lord is your strength.

    11 So the Levites stilled all the people, saying, Hold your peace, for the day is holy; neither be ye grieved.

    12 And all the people went their way to eat, and to drink, and to send portions, and to make great mirth, because they had understood the words that were declared unto them.

    1. First day of the 7th month, was the Feast of Trumpets: Neh 8:2 And Ezra the priest brought the law before the congregation both of men and women, and all that could hear with understanding, upon the first day of the seventh month.

  32. On 5 Sept I heard in my Spirit during half sleep "Michael is there to reach,...and to close." It came out of nowhere. I don't know a Michael (I'm Dutch) perhaps archangel Michael? Does this ring a bell for anyone?

  33. Want to know about where the dragon planet is actually?
    May be you can find some answers here...


    I don't like date setting... but they found something valuable, are tracking it out and is very close every day tha passes, so worth to give them a look at least IMHO.

    God bless you brothers

  34. Dragon = Serpent = Naga = Na as = Widsom

    From Adinaga

  35. Couldn't "A woman clothed with the sun" mean the stellar event isn't visible due to daylight?

  36. Aloha folks - i want to start by saying i am thankful to have found your page. After reading this article, i loaded star chart app and looked at the constellations around virgo. What i found blew my mind. Not sure if i was using it right but it seems that the dragon, serpent, sea serpent, northern crown and wolf constellations surround the virgin. Anyone care to look at this? Mahalo

  37. all the great teachings in the bible started in the stars...the dragon is hydra...it opposes virgo

  38. December 17 is showing up now as a promising alignment of the Dragon details.
    See https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2XsdBsGKP9uGQA_fNKuTGA & https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVdsV7HLRg4&t=248s to get started. Maranatha!

  39. I don't know if it's just me or if everyone else experiencing issues with your website. It appears as if some of the text within your posts are running off the screen. Can someone else please comment and let me know if this is happening to them too? This might be a issue with my browser because I've had this happen before. Thank you itunes store login

  40. the dragon and his tail casting 1/3 of the stars of heaven to the earth refers to the planet abbadon and the fallen angels showing up on earth as the planet gets close enough



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