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Where Is This Going?


As everyone knows, on Saturday, October 7, Gaza-based terrorist group Hamas struck Israeli territory with a barrage of about 3,000 missiles, thanks in large part to a temporary and suspiciously ill-timed failure of their Iron Dome air defense system. At the same time, waves of Hamas terrorists penetrated Israeli territory, killing over 1,300 innocent civilians (with a documented focus on young children, women, and the elderly), and taking over 200 hostages alive back to Gaza.

The next day, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu officially declared the nation of Israel to be at war with Hamas. The Israeli Defense Force (IDF) called up 300,000 reserves and swiftly cleared Israeli territory of all terrorists, and began launching airstrikes on Gaza. In addition, Israeli ground troops have begun moving into Gaza to attack enemy sites and rescue hostages.

I'm going to leave off with the intro right there, because this article obviously isn't meant to be an up-to-the-minute report on the conflict itself—I'm not trying to earn my War Correspondence Merit Badge. So much is happening so fast that people can scarcely keep up with it, and heaven only knows what will have transpired by the time I post this article. But that's OK, because the current state of the conflict is not my primary focus—it's prophecy. Plus, I'm sure you are getting all the news you need from any number of sources.

To say that this recent attack has the prophecy community in a tizzy is an understatement. Watchmen the world over are burning the midnight oil, doing their God-given best to sort things out and get a handle on what this means and where this is going in terms of end-time prophecy, and for many of those watchmen two particular events have become the primary focus:

The attacks described in Psalm 83 and Ezekiel 38–39.

The first thing I want to do in this article is take a fresh look at Psalm 83 in order to (a) patch up some misunderstandings I had about it up until recently, and (b) offer a view of it that is different from what I previously held. (You know me: When I realize that I'm wrong about something in regard to biblical interpretation, I don't fudge on it—I fix it.) I also want to consider possible ways in which the current conflict in the Middle East could ultimately impact or relate to the fulfillment of Ezekiel 38–39 and other major end-time events.

After all, most prophetically aware believers understand that the attack of Gog-Magog is a key prophetic event coming in the foreseeable future—and I don't plan to get carried away and end up putting too much emphasis on the issue of timing or anything, but the big, overriding question on everyone's mind right now is reflected in the title:

Where is this going?

I doubt very much that this article will answer all your questions, but I pray that it will at least clarify a few of the elements of the scenario we are looking at today and help you focus your attention on the right things and in the right direction so you don't go adrift in a sea of semi-scriptural speculation.

Setting things straight

Prophecy watchers have a wide variety of opinions on the particulars concerning the conflicts described in Psalm 83 and Ezekiel 38–39 and their possible relationship, and a truckful of books have been written about them over the last decade or two. Personally, I have devoted a lot more time and attention to Ezekiel 38–39 than to Psalm 83, which I have only briefly addressed in an article entitled "The Turning Point" back in May of 2018.

I recently went back and reread what I wrote in that article, however, and it wasn't long before it hit me right between the eyes:

I got it wrong.

And I mean bad wrong. Now, I admit that at the time I wrote that article, I had been largely unimpressed by the efforts of some to sell the idea that Psalm 83 was yet future and preceded the attack of Ezekiel 38–39, and in one particular section of the article I linked to above I listed three reasons why I disagreed with the idea that Psalm 83 was a distinct attack that preceded Gog-Magog, as well as why I was inclined to believe that Psalm 83 and Gog-Magog were actually (gasp) two different descriptions of the same attack.

The "some" I am referring to were spearheaded by Bill Salus, who had published a prophecy bestseller five years earlier entitled PSALM 83: The Missing Prophecy Revealed (2013). In what would become known as the Salus scenario, the people groups listed in Psalm 83 constitute the inner-ring countries that closely surround Israel, and they attack it at some point prior to Gog-Magog and are destroyed by the IDF. Israel then proceeds to take over most of the territory of these inner-ring countries and as a result greatly expands into a Middle-Eastern superpower, until they are subsequently threatened by the outer-ring countries (Russia, Iran, Turkey, et al.) in the attack of Gog-Magog and Israel is defended by the hand of God Himself.

Well, I give Bill an A+ for creativity (and a D– for following Scripture in anything resembling a sensible manner). Straight up: The Salus scenario is a flight of fancy that makes for a far better movie script than a plausible interpretation of Scripture...so much so that I'm mildly surprised Hollywood hasn't pounced on it (unless it has already inspired a low-budget "apocaflick" that I'm blissfully unaware of.)

So, here are the three points I discussed in that 2018 article I linked to above to explain why I disagreed with the Salus scenario and was tempted to think that Psalm 83 was the same attack described in Ezekiel 38–39, followed by some comments to clarify how I missed it:

1. The players:

Ezekiel lists people groups that correspond to the modern nations of Russia, Iran, Turkey, Libya, Sudan (which many people don't realize was known as "Ethiopia" in Ezekiel's day), and possibly Algeria and Tunisia that would mount an existential attack on Israel in Ezekiel 38:1–6, but then cryptically states that the attack would include "many peoples with you" in verse 9. Well, "peoples" means "nations" here, so is it really such a stretch to think that those "many peoples" might include the inner-ring countries mentioned in Psalm 83?

Remarks: Although in reality it is plausible that some of the Psalm 83 players could join forces with the A-team of Ezekiel 38–39, this is speculative and certainly no reason to assume Psalm 83 is the same attack as Gog-Magog. In fact, as we shall see in point no. 3, it is scripturally impossible for Psalm 83 and Gog-Magog to be the same attack. And, perhaps ironically, it is also impossible in the Salus scenario because in Bill's game plan all the inner-ring countries are attacked by the IDF and taken over by Israel before we even get to Gog-Magog (which, as we shall see, is a problem). And that begs a key question:

Will the inner-ring countries really be destroyed by the IDF and annexed by Israel in the aftermath of Psalm 83, enabling Israel to balloon into a genuine Middle-Eastern superpower??

Keep reading.

2. The goals:

The stated reason for the Psalm 83 attack is to wipe Israel out as a nation so that the name of Israel will be remembered no more (Psalm 83:4). The stated reason for the attack of Gog-Magog is take a spoil (Ezek. 38:11–12). The Salus scenario seems to suggest that these two objectives are sufficiently different to warrant viewing them as two different attacks. But since the spoil here is natural resources (gas), these two objectives aren't just not mutually exclusive, they go hand in hand:

Q. How do you take a country's natural resources?

A. You defeat and take over that country.

Remarks: Although I still believe the basic idea behind this has some degree of validity, it's really neither here nor there and certainly doesn't prove these two conflicts are one and the same. For example, if the players of Psalm 83 actually were to wipe Israel out as a nation, I'm sure they would be more than happy to help themselves to Israel's huge natural gas deposits—Gog or no Gog.

But here's the kicker:

3. The results:

Both attacks end the same way: The nation of Israel as well as the nations of the world realize that the God of Israel is the LORD (Psalm 83:17–18; Ezek. 38:23; 39:7, 22). It makes little sense to think that God would deem it necessary to reiterate this result in two attacks in fairly rapid succession, and hence they are most likely the same attack.

BZZZZZZ!!! Wrong answer! Thank you for playing! So...what do we have for our loser, Vanna?

Remarks: This is where I missed it big time—there's more to it than that. Two key issues we have to get straight in regard to the Psalm 83 players are (a) how and (b) when they are destroyed. So bear with me—I'll get us there.



There is a subtlety to Psalm 83 that is easily overlooked, but it is crucial for a proper interpretation of the psalm. Here is the passage in question, which is the second half of the psalm:

9Do to them as to the Midianites; as to Sisera, as to Jabin, at the brook of Kison:

10Which perished at Endor: they became as dung for the earth.

11Make their nobles like Oreb, and like Zeeb: yes, all their princes as Zebah, and as Zalmunna:

12Who said, Let us take to ourselves the houses of God in possession.

13O my God, make them like a wheel; as the stubble before the wind.

14As the fire burns a wood, and as the flame sets the mountains on fire;

15So persecute them with your tempest, and make them afraid with your storm.

16Fill their faces with shame; that they may seek your name, O LORD.

17Let them be confounded and troubled for ever; yes, let them be put to shame, and perish:

18That men may know that you, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, are the most high over all the earth.

(Psalm 83:9–18 AKJV)

Note with care the tone of these statements: The psalmist is basically just praying that God would ultimately judge and punish these inner-ring countries for the way they mistreat Israel so that men (i.e. the whole world) will know God is the LORD. In other words:

The psalmist isn't saying that God does those things right then and there—he is praying that God would do those things at some point.

Simply put, it's a lament followed by a prayer for God to act (also referred to as a "lament prayer" or an "imprecatory prayer"). In other words, many have expressed legitimate doubts as to whether Psalm 83 is really a prophecy at all, and claim it's just a prayer for God to judge Israel's neighborhood enemies. I won't be overly dogmatic about it, but at this point I am inclined to agree.

Gotta be: Bill Salus argues that one of the 10 players of Psalm 83 (Assyria) wasn't an enemy of Israel until well after the psalm was written, which proves that it's gotta be a real prophecy—but this is speculative. It's more likely due to lingering questions over the authorship and date of the psalm. A number of Bible scholars argue that it could have very easily been written "to" or "for" Asaph (rather than "by" Asaph) many years later.

For example, notice that Psalm 83 is conspicuously lacking in the telltale characteristics that earmark many Old Testament prophecies. Most prophecies contain structural elements that clue the reader in that it's a prophecy (such as lines written in the first person singular from what would appear to be God's point of view: "I will turn you back, and put hooks into your jaws..."). It reads like a prophecy; it sounds like a prophecy. There are obvious clues that tell us it's a prophecy ("The word of the LORD came to me..."). But Psalm 83 lacks any of that, and reads and sounds just like what I said: a lament followed by a prayer for God to act. In other words:

About the only reason anyone today considers Psalm 83 to be a prophecy set to be fulfilled during the run-up to the Tribulation is because someone published a highly speculative prophecy bestseller to that effect.

But in Ezekiel 38–39 (which is obviously a prophecy in every sense of the word), things are quite different. Now it is God telling us through His servant the prophet what He is going to do, and He makes it quite clear when He is going to do it. Here's a section of the prophecy to illustrate the point:

18And it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, said the Lord GOD, that my fury shall come up in my face. [That right there pretty much nails it...Ezekiel isn't praying for an eventual future judgment—this time God is telling us directly that He isn't going to waste any time in carrying out that judgment.] 19For in my jealousy and in the fire of my wrath have I spoken, Surely in that day [same deal...nobody is praying for God to judge these nations at some unspecified future time] there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel; 20So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep on the earth, and all the men that are on the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground. 21And I will call for a sword against him throughout all my mountains, said the Lord GOD: every man's sword shall be against his brother. 22And I will plead against him with pestilence and with blood; and I will rain on him, and on his bands, and on the many people that are with him, an overflowing rain, and great hailstones, fire, and brimstone. 23Thus will I magnify myself, and sanctify myself; and I will be known in the eyes of many nations, and they shall know that I am the LORD.

(Ezekiel 38:18–23 AKJV / emphasis &
[comments] added)

This is clearly not just someone praying for God to someday judge and punish countries who continually attack and harass Israel: It's God Himself telling us that He is going to carry out His judgment and punish these nations for even attempting such an attack on the apple of His eye.

In other words, He's not going to merely respond to the attack, He's going to intervene and stop it Himself as soon as it gets off the ground.

God tells us straight out that He Himself will miraculously crush this massive attack (because Israel will have no one else to turn to), and the last verse (v. 23) tells us that the world will know He is the LORD—and Ezekiel 39:7 and 22 make it clear that this also applies to the Jews themselves. As I have discussed previously, I believe it is clear that Gog-Magog is the event that God uses to turn His attention back to His people Israel and begin the unhardening process that He applied to them following their rejection of His Son their Messiah, and bring them back into a relationship with Him. This process will culminate in the purging of Israel and the drawing out of the believing Jewish remnant who will be preserved through the Tribulation and ultimately ushered alive into the Millennial Kingdom when Christ returns.

Note that this is one key scriptural reason why I believe the Rapture will occur at some point before God's intervention in Gog-Magog: After the Rapture, God is finished with the Church and can proceed to turn His attention back to Israel. The Church is home and dry.

Now, as far as the final answer to the prayer of Psalm 83 is concerned, God does indeed judge and punish those people groups mentioned for attacking Israel. But rather than being destroyed by the IDF in fighting that (a) precedes the attack of Gog-Magog (as in the Salus scenario) or (b) corresponds to Gog-Magog (as in my stupid mistake), Scripture makes it clear that God judges and punishes these nations during the Day of the LORD when He judges the Christ-rejecting nations of the world during the seven-year Tribulation.

The 10 people groups mentioned in Psalm 83 have been absorbed into the Arab/Muslim nations that surround Israel today, but a number of these peoples are specifically mentioned by name in various places in the Old Testament as being judged by God during the Day of the LORD. For example:

Edom and Moab: Numbers 24:17–19

Assyria and Ammon: Zephaniah 2:8–11

Philistia and Tyre (and probably Gebal): Joel 3:4–8

Some of these nations are mentioned as being judged during the Day of the LORD in several places in Scripture, not just the references I have listed above—this is just a taste to show you what I mean (and details may depend on the translation). God finally answers the psalmist's prayer and judges the people groups in Psalm 83 when He pours out His judgment on a Christ-rejecting world during the Tribulation. And I scarcely see how anyone can miss this:

That means none of the inner-ring countries are attacked and taken over by Israel before the Tribulation as per the Salus scenario.

And that means it is demonstrably wrong—and it also means the final answer to the prayer of Psalm 83 that asks God to judge the nations that come against Israel can neither precede nor correspond to Ezekiel 38–39. One reason I say that is because, as I discussed in some depth in a previous article, Gog-Magog virtually must precede the Tribulation—it makes no sense whatsoever to place it at any point during the outpouring of judgments of the Tribulation proper. In fact, Gog-Magog helps create the scenario that will give rise to the treaty of Daniel 9:27 that begins the Tribulation.

So Bill Salus was wrong, but so was I—the chief difference being that I am doing my level best to go back and get it right, and Bill is still doing his level best to defend what he wrote in order to sell his book. And forgive me if I sound a bit cynical, but man...it grieves me when I think of some of the prophecy bestsellers that have lined the shelves of Christian bookstores over the last 20 years. This is a classic example of how many people get their foot in the door of the Christian publishing industry today:

Come up with an intriguing scenario that's at least marginally scriptural but that's a little bit "out there" that's guaranteed to grab the attention of many prophetically inclined believers, and then continue to push and sell that idea and support it for all you're worth to maximize sales.

Works like a charm.

So, in spite of any surface similarities some claim these two conflicts possess (like I foolishly did five years ago), the fact that the grand finale of Psalm 83 and the grand finale Gog-Magog clearly do not mesh scripturally is a telling difference. And what it's telling me loud and clear is these two conflicts simply cannot be the same.

Armageekiel: This reminds me of one reason why I am inclined to disagree with those who want to cast Ezekiel 38–39 as the battle of Armageddon. (Yes, some do, as I discovered to my surprise recently.) I mean, I get it...yes, there are some similarities—but I would respond to that the same way I respond to post-tribbers who want so desperately to read the Rapture in place of the Second Coming in Matthew 24:29–31:

Similarity doth not equivalence make.

For example, they'll say...

"Hey, there's a big earthquake in Ezekiel 38:19, and there's a big earthquake in Revelation 16:18 associated with Armageddon. So they could be the same!"

Well, yeah...but during the end times, there are more earthquakes occurring than you can shake a seismograph at (Matt. 24:7; Rev. 6:12; Rev. 8:5; Rev. 11:13; Rev. 11:19). So...with all due respect, this isn't necessarily the strongest of arguments.

So the bottom line is that I was stone-cold wrong when I posited five years ago that Psalm 83 and Ezekiel 38–39 share the same outcomes and so are quite likely the same conflict.

They don't and they aren't.

(But hey, I'm lovin' that set of steak knives I got out of it.)

In this section, we have focused on God's ultimate answer to the prayer of Psalm 83, and that involves Him judging and punishing the inner-ring nations that conspire against and attack Israel to wipe it off the map, which He does when He judges the nations of the world during the Tribulation. In contrast, the Gog-Magog players are decimated by the hand of God as soon as they get their attack in gear before the Tribulation.

Now let's turn out attention to the actual attack described in the psalm.

What about the attack itself?

Psalm 83 starts out by describing 10 people groups that immediately surround Israel who seek to do the following:

4They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance.

(Psalm 83:4 AKJV)

Clearly, any discussion of Psalm 83 must deal primarily with this attack, not just God's judgment of the perpetrators. In the Salus scenario, the assumption is that this attack has never been fulfilled in the past, but will be prior to the attack described in Ezekiel 38–39. In other words, his scenario is based on the idea that those inner-ring countries surrounding Israel have never attacked it all at one time in the past, and so Psalm 83 must be describing an attack that is still in our future.

But is it? I had actually wondered about this before, but I had never gotten around to really looking into it to any degree. Up until I sat down to write this article, I had always kinda gone along with the widespread assumption that the attack of Psalm 83 was yet future—my big goof was that I wrongly suspected it was the same attack as Gog-Magog.

So as I looked into this question a little deeper, I was surprised to learn that there are highly respected, highly capable proponents of Bible prophecy that are fully satisfied that the attack described in Psalm 83 has occurred before.

According to some, more than once.

I have long been a fan of Amir Tsarfati, a native Israeli who has become a leading voice in prophecy-related news and teaching, and who is the founder of Behold Israel, a non-profit organization whose stated mission is to "provide reliable and accurate reporting on developments in Israel and the region."

While preparing to write this article, I discovered that Amir believes that the attack described in Psalm 83 was carried out during the Israeli War of Independence (May 1948–March 1949), aka the First Arab-Israeli War, in which a coalition of the surrounding Arab states attacked Israel on May 15, 1948—the day after they declared themselves an independent nation.

Later, I stumbled across an interview with Amir (that I cannot find the link to now) in which he states that he believes that not only was Psalm 83 carried out in 1948, but that it happened again in June 1967 during the Six Day War in which Israel recaptured Jerusalem, the West Bank, and the Golan Heights.

Still later, I discovered that Dr. Arnold Fruchtenbaum of Ariel Ministries, a highly respected Jewish Bible teacher, also believes the attack described in Psalm 83 occurred in 1948, and also that Gary Ray of Unsealed is convinced it occurred in 1967 during the Six Day War, as does Amir Tsarfati.

These were bolts from the blue for me—I had scarcely given any thought to the idea of the attack described in Psalm 83 occurring in the past. Let alone in modern times. Let alone twice.

Even though I disagreed with Bill Salus and his "Israel takes over a huge chunk of the Middle East" scenario, like many people I casually assumed that he had at least done enough research to be confident that the attack of Psalm 83 had never occurred in the past and so it was a legitimate prophecy with its fulfillment still pending...and thus he felt motivated to write a prophecy bestseller and enlighten us all about it. I mused "Well, maybe Bill Salus knows something Amir Tsarfati doesn't know—maybe he dug up some information that refutes what Arnold, Amir, Gary, and others think." After all:

When you sit down to write a book, it goes without saying that you gotta do a lot of research so you know what you're talking about, right?

Then I ran across a written response from Bill Salus to Amir Tsarfati's opinion that the attack of Psalm 83 had already occurred in 1948. I was genuinely curious to see what Bill had to say, because I had never heard anyone make the type of claims about Psalm 83 that Amir and others were making. It had never even occurred to me that the attack of Psalm 83 might have already been carried out, since I assumed that surely Bill Salus was right on the basic point that its fulfillment was yet future, even if I disagreed with his overall scenario. Bill's response as to why Psalm 83 couldn't have been fulfilled in 1948 centered around the following point (and I am summarizing for brevity and clarity):

The very first people group that Psalm 83 mentions as conspiring to wipe Israel off the map is referred to as "the tents of Edom" (Ps. 83:6). The image of them living in tents is giving us a prophetic clue that this is a reference to Palestinian refugees. And since the Palestinians didn't become refugees until after the First Arab-Israeli War, that means it would have been impossible for those represented by "the tents of Edom" to participate in the conflict itself. For more on this, buy my book.

Yes, that's actually how Bill Salus refutes the idea that Psalm 83 couldn't possibly have been fulfilled in 1948: The "tents of Edom" is clearly a prophetic reference to Palestinian refugees who wouldn't exist until after the war that began in 1948. Seriously. Oh, and by the way, I didn't make up that last bit...he didn't pass up an opportunity to plug his book.

Uhh, no. I'm sorry, but the psalmist uses the phrase "the tents of Edom" for a very special, highly technical reason that flies over the heads of many Bible scholars. Follow along carefully, because this gets deep. The psalmist makes the most erudite use of the phrase "the tents of Edom" because...

They. Lived. In. Tents.

According to some Bible scholars, the Edomites hated the Israelites so deeply that they sought to remain in a condition of readiness to join in with any attack on Israel that cropped up—and they did so on numerous occasions. Thus, there were periods of time when they kept a large number of soldiers camped near the border (in tents) so they would be prepared to mount up and move out quickly join in any such attack. Ergo "the tents of Edom"—which is not a desperately strained reference to a group of Palestinian refugees that would exist three millennia in the future.

Plus, the expression "the tents of (someone)" is used in other places in the Old Testament, with no apparent reference to any future group of modern-day refugees of any kind. For example:

The tents of Joseph (Ps. 78:67)

The tents of Korah, Dathan and Abiram (Num. 16:27)

The tents of Cushan (Hab. 3:7)

Not sure about you, but I'm not aware of there being any tent-dwelling Cushite refugees in the area surrounding Israel at any time in recent years.

Sigh... If there is a moral to the story, it might be:

Think twice before you buy the latest prophecy bestseller.

Personally, I tend to agree with Amir Tsarfati. Since I am now inclined to believe that Psalm 83 is not a prophecy, it doesn't cause me any heartburn at all to think of this attack as being carried out both in 1948 and 1967. It just demonstrates how nothing has ever changed in regard to Israel's enemies and their hatred for God's people and their desire to destroy Israel.

In AD 136, following the Bar Kokhba revolt, the Romans tried to erase the Jews' identity by renaming the region in honor of one of their most hated enemies, the Philistines. It became known as Syria Palestina, and the Romans wanted the name of Israel to be forever forgotten. But in 1948, the name of Israel was remembered once again when Israel became a nation, and that rekindled the Arabs' desire to ensure it would be quickly forgotten and remain so. But with one miracle after another, Israel won round one.

In 1967, it was rinse and repeat: Israel won round two.

Hold that thought. So as we look at the current situation in the Middle East, we turn our attention to the question on everyone's mind:

Where is this going?

OK, quick time out for something that's important. I know there are a lot of good prophecy folks out there right now, watching events unfold in Israel on a daily basis, and many of them are asking the same question:

Is what is happening in the Middle East leading to the fulfillment of Psalm 83, Ezekiel 38–39, both, or neither? Just where is this going?!

It's an important question, because if we go too far astray on this, then we won't properly understand what is happening in the Middle East and the surrounding region today. As a result, instead of boldly pointing people to the Savior because His prophetic Word is coming to pass just as written, we will sink ever deeper into the quicksand of confusion at this critical prophetic juncture and get bogged down contemplating our navels and fumbling through our Bibles for answers that, ideally, we should already have at the ready.

And I guarantee that people who know you are a believer will be asking you questions about this situation.

I've been worn slick in some of my adult English classes in the last few weeks by wonderful Taiwanese people who are keenly aware that I am a born-again believer in the gospel of Jesus Christ and seem to know a few things about the Bible and all that wacky end-time stuff—and who are genuinely curious about what is going on and what this is all about.

Our message to a lost and dying world that is being fast-tracked to an eternity of separation from a holy God who loves them enough to sacrifice the life of His Son so they could be saved should be something along the following lines:

The events we see happening in the world today are following an outline given to us in the Bible thousands of years ago, and that allows us to know for a fact that the Bible is true and that it's exactly what it says it is: God's prophetically confirmed Word. But that prophetically confirmed Word also tells us we are spiritually separated from a holy God who loves us. If we simply seek Him and ask Him in faith to forgive our sins based on the sacrifice Christ made on our behalf, He is faithful and just to forgive us and we will spend eternity with Him in heaven. Otherwise, we will soon endure the storms of judgment that we can see rapidly gathering on the horizon...not to mention face the possibility of being separated from Him for eternity unless we change our minds.

But we need to understand a few things about what the Bible says concerning those prophesied end-time events in order to do that in a way that will show people the truth of God's Word, and that the Holy Spirit can possibly use to get their attention and do what He's been doing to people for the last 2,000 years: penetrating their hearts, convicting them of sin, and drawing them to Christ.

Just as He did with me so many years ago.

So don't presume this is just a technical, academic matter—it's not. We need to get our story straight, so to speak, if we are going to have much influence on a world steeped in lies and deception and in desperate need of the Savior.

Now, the first major question I want to address pertains to this lament psalm that some are anxiously expecting to come to pass in the near future.

Should we be looking for Psalm 83?

So, first question:

Q. Should we be looking at what is happening in the Middle East now and expecting to see the inner-ring countries of Psalm 83 gather to attack Israel?

In a word, no. One thing we have to remember is that we are not seeing the sovereign nations mentioned in Psalm 83 coming against Israel, as Scripture plainly describes. What we are seeing are terrorist organizations that are funded, armed, and controlled by Iran that just happen to operate on the soil of some of these countries come against Israel.

Big difference, and that difference matters. This tells us that what we are looking at now is not the beginning of another round of the Psalm 83 attack.

For example, Gary Ray at Unsealed does a great job in his article of giving a rundown of virulently anti-Israel statements made by Arab leaders in the run-up to the Six Day War, and it clearly demonstrates that this was not just some gang of terrorists funded and directed by another Muslim power, as it is now. These include Egyptian President Gamal Abdel Nasser, Syrian President Nureddin al-Atassi, Syrian Information Minister Mahmoud Zoubi, Syrian Defense Minister Hafez Assad (who later became president), and Iraqi President Abdul Salam Arif, not to mention numerous statements made on various Arab radio broadcasts in the area, all brashly and belligerently calling for Israel to be wiped off the map and the name of Israel to be remembered no more.

The fact that anti-Israel terrorist groups like Hamas, Hezbollah, and a few other lesser groups are puppets that are funded, armed, and controlled by Iran and are simply operating out of other Arab nations surrounding Israel effectively squelches the notion that what we are witnessing is a round of the attack of Psalm 83—be it the third round (following 1948 and 1967), the second round (following either one of the two), or even the very first round.

It's not—this is pretty much all on Iran...at least so far.

Bottom line: I wouldn't waste my time looking for a repeat of Psalm 83. Now, it's possible a few of those countries could still attack Israel, but don't get hung up looking for a full-blown repeat of it. I look at it this way:

If Psalm 83 really is prophetic in nature, then the attack portion of it has already been fulfilled at least once, and many would argue twice. Why would it need to be fulfilled a second or even a third time?

If Psalm 83 is not prophetic in nature (as I am now inclined to believe), then again, there is even less reason to expect that attack to come together a third time. The psalm is simply painting a picture of the never-ending hatred and animosity of those inner-ring countries toward Israel—and the God of Israel.

Either way, the psalmist's prayer for God's judgment will be answered during the Tribulation, not by the IDF before the Tribulation even begins.

So any way you slice it, I think we can safely dispense with Psalm 83 at this point—I think we are past a full recycling of it.

There is another reason, however, why I don't believe anything like the Salus scenario fits well into the end times. Consider: In many previous situations in which Israel was attacked by enemies, God miraculously helped His people defend themselves. But as the Tribulation draws near, things change. Now God will allow His people to reach the point where they face certain annihilation utterly alone and hopelessly overpowered. Why? Because now He wants them to turn to Him alone rather than their own strength. They will watch in awe as He miraculously and singlehandedly saves them from certain destruction and in so doing turns His face back to them after 2,000 years in order to re-establish His relationship with them. And why can He do that?

Because He has wrapped things up with the Church, if you catch my drift.

OK, now it's time to look at the big kahuna.

Should we be looking for Ezekiel 38–39?

OK, second question:

Q. Should we be looking at what is happening in the Middle East now and expecting to see the fulfillment of Ezekiel 38–39?

In a word, yes (although we're not there yet). In regard to Ezekiel 38–39, one of the first things to consider is what conditions must exist in Israel before the attack of Gog-Magog can be launched. As it turns out, we see three such conditions all in one verse:

11And you shall say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest [Hebrew: a form of shaqat], that dwell safely [Hebrew: a form of betach], all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates,

(Ezekiel 38:11 AKJV / emphasis & 
[comments] added)

These three conditions are as follows (and I have listed them in a different order than they appear in Scripture because, as we shall see, no. 3 is the key):

1. Israel must be a land of unwalled villages.

2. Israel must be dwelling safely.

3. Israel must be at rest.

Note that the second item about "dwelling safely" is also mentioned in verse 8 (same Hebrew word), so there's no need to look at that verse separately.

1. Israel must be a land of unwalled villages. Many want to interpret this verse in view of the fact that Israel does have walls today. For example, it has walls along most of the border of the West Bank. So, they say the West Bank Wall and any other walls along Israel's border must all come down before Gog-Magog can be fulfilled. But is that what is being talked about here?

The verse speaks of "unwalled villages," which refers to cities and towns not being protected by walls. In Ezekiel's day, it was common for cities to be fortified—to be protected by walls and gates, and that's clearly the picture the prophet has in mind here. In other words, this verse speaks of Israel as...

...literally, a land of open places, [that is, places that are easy to attack] as opposed to fortified cities—i.e. of towns without walls [towns and cities, not the nation's border], and having neither bars nor gates.

(emphasis &
[comments] added)

— Pulpit Commentary [Source]

In other words, this verse doesn't have to be interpreted as Israel having no walls anywhere along its border. That's not the same thing.

What that means is that Israel today, even with walls along parts of its border, could certainly be considered a "land of unwalled villages," because its villages don't have walls. That is, it appears Israel's cities could readily be attacked by any invading army. As a result, it is entirely possible that folks who think all of Israel's border walls have to be dismantled before Gog-Magog can be fulfilled may be reading a wee bit too much into this verse.

So, in my opinion Israel could easily be considered good to go on this one.

2. Israel must be dwelling safely. When verse 11 says Israel will be "dwelling safely," the Hebrew word used is a form of betach, which conveys the idea of confidence, security, safety, etc. One common way to interpret this word, especially when used in regard to a nation, is "security based on confidence in one's own strength and ability to defend oneself." So...are the people of Israel living in a state of betach today?

Well, they sure were up until October 7, but it's safe to say that the sudden terrorist attack that occurred that day may have put a bit of a dent in their betach, at least temporarily. But having said that, consider:

Q. Ever since the dust settled from that initial attack, what have we seen coming from the Israelis?

A. A steely-eyed resolve to defend themselves through their own strength and do whatever is necessary to eliminate the threat these terrorists pose, coupled with a robust degree of confidence that they can do just that.

So, in spite of all the deluded, pro-Hamas drivel spewing forth from liberal dipsticks, it sounds like Israel got its betach back in a big hurry...assuming it ever really wavered in the first place.

So, in my opinion Israel is good to go on this one as well.

3. Israel must be at rest. As I have discussed in a previous article, the Hebrew word translated "at rest" is shaqat, which generally means to be quiet, undisturbed, calm, etc. When the word is used in reference to a nation, however, the common meaning associated with it is simply to not be in a state of war with anyone (Josh. 11:23; 14:15).

Some can't resist the temptation to interpret this to mean that life in Israel must be like the opening scene from The Sound Of Music, with absolute peace and harmony on every street corner and no disturbances or violence of any kind. But since when is life like that in any country, anytime? That's extremely unrealistic, and it's not what the verse is saying.

Up until the recent terrorist attack, the word shaqat certainly applied to Israel: They were not at war with anyone. But since October 8, the day Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu made an official declaration of war, it no longer does.

The first obvious possibility this suggests to me is that before the attack described in Ezekiel 38–39 can be launched, Israel must stand down from its declaration of war. It may be that Israel has to deal with the terrorist groups that threaten it to the point where it feels it can return to a state of shaqat, which at the time of this writing hasn't happened yet.

So, this one is still pending.

In other words, it's go for launch on (1.) Israel being a land of unwalled villages and (2.) being securely confident in their own strength and ability to defend themselves, so the focus is on point no. 3 concerning shaqat. Scripturally speaking, a nation simply cannot be considered to be in a state of shaqat or "at rest" when they are officially in a state of war. No can do.

So the first possibility is that all that remains to green-light the attack of Gog-Magog is for Israel to stand down from its declaration of war against Hamas, which I assume would occur as soon as they get these demon-oppressed creatures in a headlock and neutralize the threat they pose to a Jewish nation that seeks only to live in peace.

This possibility seems most in line with a plain text reading of Ezekiel 38. Before Russia and friends descend on Israel to "take a spoil," there is only one item that remains to be dealt with and ticked off the list:

Israel must be satisfied that it has dealt

with the immediate terrorist threat, and

stand down from its declaration of war.

Then, at some point after that, an evil thought will arise in Gog's mind, and the Gog-Magog coalition will gather and move in to destroy Israel in order to help themselves to its vast deposits of natural gas.

But there is another possibility that appears to be lurking in the shadows that warrants being mentioned. Israel would not have to stand down from its current declaration of war and return to a state of shaqat if in fact that evil thought already entered Gog's mind, prior to the attack by Hamas on October 7 and while Israel was still in a state of shaqat. In other words:

What if the wheels of Gog-Magog have already begun turning, but instead of kicking off with the main players of Russia, Iran, Turkey, and several Northern African countries all descending on Israel, things get off the ground and start getting warmed up with some preliminary hostilities from Iran's puppets rather than from Iran directly, just to get Israel riled up and fighting back in order to justify a greater onslaught against the Jewish nation? Then at some point after these preliminaries, when Israel has responded with force and done some damage of its own, things break out bad with Ezekiel's listed players just as he describes in chapter 38.

Now, I'll be the first to admit that this could legitimately be considered a somewhat "stretchy" interpretation of Ezekiel 38, however, primarily because the prophet makes no mention of any such "preliminary hostilities" that lead up to the main attack—Ezekiel jumps right into it with the main players. I mention this possibility mainly for the sake of being thorough, and because I honestly can't rule it out completely. Just because Ezekiel doesn't specifically describe it that way doesn't necessarily mean it can't happen that way.

Not only that, but more Russian fingerprints are being found on this Hamas terror attack with each passing day...so much so that it is looking very much as if Russia and Iran were in cahoots with each other on this from the very start, so maybe this idea isn't quite as crazy as it sounds.

The point is that if Israel doesn't have to stand down from its declaration of war to green-light Gog-Magog, I pray you understand what that means:

It means we could be a lot closer to

the Rapture than any of us realize.

But either way, the LORD decimates Gog's forces before they can lay a hand on God's people, and He will do it in a manner that will make both Israel and the nations of the world recognize that He is the LORD. And I've said it before and I have no plans to stop saying it:

Before Gog-Magog goes down,

the body of Christ must go up.

In the aftermath of this decimation of Israel's enemies (not to mention the sudden disappearance of several hundred million people in the Rapture), the world will briefly stagger in the general direction of peace. Before you can say "the man of sin," a charismatic, up-and-coming global peacemaker will step up to help negotiate and ultimately confirm or enforce a peace treaty between a newly emboldened Israel and its now humbled enemies that will pave the way for the Jews to finally rebuild the temple they have been dreaming of for 2,000 years, and a weakened Arab bloc won't have the wherewithal to do anything to stop the "desecration" of what they fancy as their holy place.

And Daniel's 70th Week will be off and running.

Now, no one can say for certain what events may contribute to the shaping and molding of this scenario, but that appears to be the fundamental outline given to us in God's Word.

A ruinous heap? Many believe the run-up to the Tribulation will also include the destruction of Damascus, since they are convinced this is another end-time prophecy that remains to be fulfilled (Isa. 17:1). I decided to take a raincheck on Isaiah 17 in this discussion, however, because there certainly isn't universal agreement in the prophecy community on this one. I long believed, like many, that its fulfillment was pending in the end times, but I have recently discovered that a surprising number of respected prophecy commentators see Isaiah 17 as already being fulfilled in its totality in the eighth century BC by the Assyrians, and see no requirement for an end-time version of its fulfillment.

For example, Mark Hitchcock writes:

I believe it makes more sense to hold that Isaiah 17 was fulfilled in the eighth century BC when both Damascus, the capital of Syria, and Samaria, the capital of Israel, were hammered by the Assyrians. In that conquest, both Damascus and Samaria were destroyed, just as Isaiah 17 predicts. According to history, Tiglath-pileser III (745–727 BC) pushed vigorously to the west, and in 734 the Assyrians advanced and laid siege to Damascus, which fell two years later in 732. [Contrary to the opinions of some, Isaiah 17:1 doesn't actually say that Damascus would never be inhabited again, which is an interpretation that causes many today to see its fulfillment as being yet future. According many commentators, what Isaiah 17:1 is saying is that Damascus would be removed from being the independent city-state that it was before the Assyrians got done with it—which was (and remains) fulfilled. And that means a "long-term final fulfillment" may not necessarily be in view here.]

(emphasis & [comments] added)

— Mark Hitchcock, Middle East Burning: Is the Spreading Unrest a Sign of the End Times? [
Source]

So, forgive me if I cool my tool just a tad on the idea of Damascus going up in a mushroom cloud sometime in the next few months, because Isaiah 17:1 simply doesn't have to be interpreted the way many prophecy folks are interpreting it these days (and as I did for years). But at the same time, of course, no one can totally rule out the possibility.

For example, it startled me when I read that in the early hours of the current conflict, Israeli leaders were meeting and feverishly tossing around ideas, and the possibility of nuking of Damascus actually came up! Yikes! I'd like to think somebody just had a little too much coffee and got carried away in the heat of the moment, but still...the way things are going these days, who knows?

How close are we?

I believe what I have described in this article is a generally valid scenario based on a literal, straightforward reading of Scripture, although in the final analysis the bits that are based on my personal opinions are worth precisely the same as anyone else's opinions, and that would be zilch point nada.

I believe the answer to the title question "Where is this going?" is scripturally clear and becoming clearer with each passing day:

It is absolutely leading to the

fulfillment of Ezekiel 38–39.

It's just a matter of how long it will take to get there, and what other events and geopolitical gyrations will transpire along the way. That said, however, I am inclined to believe it will bypass another full-blown round of Psalm 83. I'm not going to bother looking for that because I think we are headed straight for a date with the Gog-Magog crew.

The unspoken question lurking behind the title, however, relates to timing:

How close are we?

Of course, no one (especially yours truly) can answer that. But there is one additional item I neglected to mention earlier about the conditions that must exist in Israel before Gog-Magog can be launched. There is actually a fourth condition that must be true before the attack of Ezekiel 38–39 can go down, but it doesn't apply to Israel:

It applies to the United States.

As I have discussed in a previous article, Ezekiel 38:13 says that "the merchants of Tarshish, and all the young lions thereof" sit idly by and do nothing but meekly complain when the Gog-Magog gang attacks Israel, and those "young lions" absolutely include the United States—long Israel's most reliable friend and supporter.

That is, Ezekiel makes it clear that Israel's most reliable friend and supporter sees the countries of the Gog-Magog coalition descending on Israel to wipe it out in order to take control of its huge deposits of natural gas, and sits by and does nothing but spout whiny, whimpering rhetoric instead of doing anything to help them. So, there's no. 4:

4. America's support for Israel must completely end.

So clearly the U.S. doesn't come to Israel's aid when they are threatened in Gog-Magog. The next question that leaps to mind is...

Why not?!

Even now, in spite of a laundry list of noteworthy exceptions, American leaders are still showing at least some outward support for Israel, and we are still sending them some aid. For Pete's sake, we're sending carrier strike groups to the Mediterranean (including my old ship the Ike). But that is simply not true when Gog-Magog goes down—our country will see the launching of an existential attack on Israel, and we will sit on our hands and do nothing but whimper and whine about why those big bullies are attacking poor little Israel.

There are really only two possibilities:

1. We are unwilling to come to Israel's aid.

2. We are unable to come to Israel's aid.

If not both. What strikes me, however, is how difficult it is for me to imagine the United States reaching the point where we have no political will whatsoever to help Israel in any way, even when its very existence is at stake. Really??

Now, we've certainly had no shortage of spats and squabbles with the Jewish state over the years, and our relationship has survived some rocky times. My point is that if America's relationship with Israel can survive two terms under the likes of Barack Hussein Obama, and now a third term with the help of his personal marionette Joe Biden (who just handed Israel's archenemy Iran six billion dollars to help them fund groups like, say, Hamas and Hezbollah), plus all the anti-Israel rhetoric spewing from the mouths of clueless left-wing liberals who apparently actually miss Obama (oh, do be careful what you wish for, you foolish, foolish people), I'd be tempted to say it can survive anything. But the simple fact remains—Ezekiel is crystal clear:

Our relationship with Israel doesn't survive.

Come the attack of Gog-Magog, it's finito. But considering what America's relationship with Israel has endured at various times over the last 75 years, it's extremely difficult for me to imagine any geopolitical event that could so absolutely terminate it.

And that makes me suspect that perhaps it's not a geopolitical event.

As I have discussed on various occasions, I believe the Rapture will cut the legs out from under America and plunge it into chaos from which it will probably not emerge until Christ returns to establish His kingdom. And not to put too fine a point on it, but it will also remove every single born-again, Israel-supporting believer from our Congress (and there are some).

So as to the question of what could bring America to the point where it is unwilling or unable to do anything but watch helplessly as the Gog-Magog coalition descends on Israel to destroy it, no geopolitical event I can think of would cut the mustard. But I know an event that would:

And that's a "twinkling of an eye" event.

And I suppose that's a fitting place to end this discussion, because the most important question certainly isn't...

Where is this going?

The most important question is...

Where are you going when that

"twinkling of an eye" event occurs?



From Greg Lauer @ A Little Strength (2023/#10)
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  1. Thank you for this. It's something I have been wanting to see for a long time. I always wrinkled my brow as I read Psalm 83 as to being a specific war. Couldn't get one out of the verses. To me it seems quite reasonable that this kind of event did happen in both '48 and '67 (I didn't know that Amir believes this!)! I see Psalm 83 as a disposition of Israel's enemies throughout history, and coming to a head multiple times.
    You helped clarify things for me. I tend to believe that what we are seeing now is, like or similar to you, a precursor to the Gog Magog war, even a part of it. Bottom line to all of this is, the rapture will bring about the collapse of the US support of Israel and then we are on to the main battle! Well, the world is on to the main battle!
    Thanks again!

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  2. Lately, I'm starting to lean toward Greg's view on this Psalm 83 war situation as not being a future prophecy. Rather, we're looking down the barrel of Ezekiel 38 & 39 ... and the beginning stages have quite possibly begun since October 7. Russia is too front and center in the background of what is taking place for it not to be (in my humble little old opinion).

    The America piece of the puzzle is quite prophetically intriguing to me. Many a prophetic scholar have speculated that the reason America is not seen taking part in the Ezekiel scenario but sit back and protest without actually doing anything is because the Rapture has thrown the USA into utter chaos. But as it turns out, this "speculation" goes beyond mere speculation at this point. It veers into substantiation and actually has some prophetic teeth to it and is, in actuality, mentioned within scripture. Given that America is Israel's main ally, it is only natural to scratch your head at the young lions and why they don't participate. It is the world's superpower on which the current world system is operating on given its reserve currency status.

    We see Greg's and others speculation come to some powerful scriptural backing in Micah chapter 7. It has been my contention that America is either a direct fulfillment of the Vineyard prophecy of Matthew 21 or closely connected to it. In my view, the evidence is quite formidable. Although later, after the Rapture, the function of the Matthew 21 Vineyard may suddenly transfer to the 144,000 during the Tribulation. But for right now, God assigned America that spot.

    AMERICA THE VINEYARD: A PROPHETIC FOUR DIMENSIONAL TRIP THROUGH THE TABERNACLE OF MOSES
    https://endtimesdarknessdescending.wordpress.com/2019/08/24/america-and-a-four-dimensional-trip-through-the-tabernacle-of-moses/

    Going on the view that this is the case, you will notice that in the Micah 7 we have the Jewish reaction to the "good man's" disappearance from the earth. Interestingly enough, you will also notice within this Rapture typology, the "grape gleanings of the vintage" are mentioned within the sequence of some mentions of modern characteristics of our world - with emphasis on the word "vintage," as in, "Vineyard. Clue number 1 right there ...

    “Woe is me! for I am as when they have gathered the summer fruits, as the grapegleanings of the vintage: there is no cluster to eat: my soul desired the first-ripe fruit. The good man is perished out of the earth: and there is none upright among men: they all lie in wait for blood; they hunt every man his brother with a net. That they may do evil with both hands earnestly, the prince asketh, and the judge asketh for a reward; and the great man, he uttereth his mischievous desire: so they wrap it up. The best of them is as a brier: the most upright is sharper than a thorn hedge: the day of thy watchmen and thy visitation cometh; now shall be their perplexity” (Micah 7:1-4).

    What seems to further confirm the idea that we're talking America the Vineyard in modern times during the Rapture in the Micah 7 passage is the mention of the "net," as in "internet. The internet will, more than likely have something to do with the Mark of the Beast after the Rapture. We see in the passage the sequence of events in the form of subtle clues with the idea of the "vintage," or "Vineyard," smack dab in the middle of the narrative. With America sending some heavy firepower to the Middle East in response to the Israel situation as backup and allies, the Micah 7 passage is taking on some ominous tones for Israel and the world. We see Israel's reaction to the "good man" perishing (disappearing) while the vintage is front and center in the prophecy.

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  3. So, yes, the Rapture is the key to the mystery of why the young lions do not attempt to intervene but only protest. Micah 7 explains the mysterious absence of America (grape gleanings of the "vintage" (Vineyard) at this time. It is an awesome clue that God has tucked away within scripture for the generation that would live to see the Rapture - a generation that would be alive to see a nation connected to the Vineyard prophecy on the world scene. God knows the end from the beginning indeed.

    PROPHECY ALERT: THE 7 ECLIPSE CODE AND THE COUNTDOWN TO DAMASCUS DESTRUCTION – ISRAEL PREPARING A GROUND INVASION OF GAZA (LIVE STREAM)
    https://endtimesdarknessdescending.wordpress.com/2023/10/14/prophecy-alert-countdown-to-world-war-3-and-the-soon-destruction-of-damascus-2-israel-preparing-a-ground-invasion-of-gaza-live-stream/

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  4. For further clarification regarding the "vintage" in the Micah 7 passage, we are talking the grapes of the harvest, or the saved souls in the body of Christ that will be removed via the Rapture. The interesting thing to take note of here is that the “grapegleanings of the vintage" takes on a life of its own when we consider that the state seal of Connecticut, a very important state in the early settling of America, has a picture of three grapevines representing a vineyard. Israel's reaction of "woe is me" in Micah 7 when she/the Jews needs the godly man (good man) the most during it's time of trial at the time of thr Rapture is shining a heavy spotlight on what is occurring in the Middle East right now. I think we can all agree that this current situation is more than a minor skirmish at this point. The Micah 7 prophecy is upon us. It's growing clearer by the day.

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  5. But as regarding the Isaiah 17 Damascus question, I don't think we're looking at a past fulfillment, but of a yet future fulfillmentfor for a couple of important reasons.

    Some would contend that the Damascus destruction prophecy was already fulfilled in the 8th century around 732 B.C. shortly after it had already been predicted in Isaiah 17 when Assyria conquered Aram. Aram was the ancient name for most of modern Syria. When looked at a bit closer, this simply cannot be the case. If this prophecy was fulfilled back then, one then has the problem of explaining why Jeremiah 49:23-27 predicts a suspiciously similar destruction approximately one century later.

    Furthermore, Damascus has never ceased to be a city, something that is clearly prophesied to occur in Isaiah 17. There is no question that Damascus has been attacked and conquered numerous times through history. Nobody is debating that. The question is whether the actual text has come to fulfillment. The capital of Syria is one of the oldest continuously inhabited cities on the earth. It is first mentioned in Genesis and yet it still appears in modern-day headlines. The 732 B.C. attack undeniably unfolded (Isaiah 7 and 8 predict this event), but the prophecy in Isaiah 17:1-3 hasn’t yet been fulfilled because Damascus continued to be a city following the attack by the Assyrians — and it remains an active and inhabited locality even today.

    Further still, Isaiah didn’t receive the contents of Isaiah 17 until after 732 B.C. If this is true, it would mean that the Assyrian attack on Damascus was not what was being referenced in the text. It is true that Isaiah prophesied about the conquering of Damascus — that happens in chapter 7 and 8 — and that is exactly what came to fulfillment in 732 B.C., but in chapter 14, in verse 28, Isaiah says something that torpedos the “past fulfillment” narrative …

    “In the year that king Ahaz died was this burden” (Isaiah 14:28).

    This means that the prophecies of Isaiah 17 were not given to the prophet until 715 B.C., which is nearly two decades after the conquering of Damascus [in 732], so this helps us have assurance that Isaiah 17 was not fulfilled in 732.

    Further still, the description of Damascus being destroyed in one night as told in this particular prophecy could not be fulfilled in the past with ancient weaponry. It is only today with modern weaponry that Damascus can be destroyed in one night as scripture reveals:

    “In the day shalt thou make thy plant to grow, and in the morning shalt thou make thy seed to flourish: but the harvest shall be a heap in the day of grief and of desperate sorrow. Woe to the multitude of many people, which make a noise like the noise of the seas; and to the rushing of nations, that make a rushing like the rushing of mighty waters! The nations shall rush like the rushing of many waters: but God shall rebuke them, and they shall flee far off, and shall be chased as the chaff of the mountains before the wind, and like a rolling thing before the whirlwind. And behold at eveningtide trouble; and before the morning he is not. This is the portion of them that spoil us, and the lot of them that rob us” (Isaiah 17:11-14).

    Notice first that this prophecy starts out by saying “in that day,” a prophetic phrase indicating the start of the seven-year Tribulation. Also notice the phrase “at eveningtide trouble, and before the morning he is not.” This indicates an overnight destruction – a feat that could not be accomplished with ancient weaponry. Only with modern weaponry can this be accomplished.

    PROPHECY ALERT: ATTACK ON ISRAEL AND THE COUNTDOWN TO WORLD WAR 3: THE SOON DESTRUCTION OF DAMASCUS
    https://endtimesdarknessdescending.wordpress.com/2023/10/11/prophecy-alert-attack-on-israel-and-the-countdown-to-world-war-3-the-soon-destruction-of-damascus/

    Just my two cents. Like Elvis, we'll see how it shakes out. Shake, rattle and roll baby ... here we go.

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  6. You may be right, Corey. My point is simply that there is far more disagreement over the interpretation of Isaiah 17:1 and the future of Damascus than I ever realized. I long thought it was fairly cut and dried, but in reality it's anything but.

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    1. Yes, absolutely Greg. I was tracking with you on the idea that it is open to some legitimate argument. I like that you held open the possibility of a future fulfillment and not a 100 percent certainty of a past fulfillment. I'm speaking more about those who are rigid in a past fulfillment view and do not hold open the possibility of a future fulfillment post Rapture. In the majority of writings I have seen, it seems to be the prevailing view that it was a past fulfillment. Those who hold that view may be right.

      Except ... it appears to me that the Lord is holding out some hot sauce to throw on our steak ๐Ÿฅฉ with some clues of a post Rapture fulfillment. I just don't ever see anyone who would hold to a past fulfillment view ever address the seeming overnight destruction clue seen in the text, to say nothing of the other point made in the previous comment above. It is definitely a portion of text that one can certainly waffle back and forth on with legitimate arguments on both sides of the debate for sure.

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    2. Yours and Gary's Psalm 83 argument is definitely a breath of fresh air. It makes more sense than the Salus view in my opinion most definitely.

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  7. I wouldn't be dogmatic about it!

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  8. In this article:

    "1. Israel must be a land of unwalled villages.
    2. Israel must be dwelling safely.
    3. Israel must be at rest."

    These are the conditions in Israel during the first 3.5 year of the Tribulation Period, right after Israel will have confirmed a peace treaty with the antichrist. My conclusion is that the Gog-Magog war will happen during the Tribulation Period. Ezekiel 38:18-23 points to this period.

    Ezekiel 38:18-23 (KJV):

    "18 And it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord God, that my fury shall come up in my face.
    19 For in my jealousy and in the fire of my wrath have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel;
    20 So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground.
    21 And I will call for a sword against him throughout all my mountains, saith the Lord God: every man's sword shall be against his brother.
    22 And I will plead against him with pestilence and with blood; and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon the many people that are with him, an overflowing rain, and great hailstones, fire, and brimstone.
    23 Thus will I magnify myself, and sanctify myself; and I will be known in the eyes of many nations, and they shall know that I am the Lord."

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    1. Ezekiel 28:26 literally tells us when the condition of dwelling securely occurs, and it is after the Psalm 83 war. Also, this isn't referring to the 1948 or 1967 wars; the attacking nations did not acknowledge Jehovah as God after those wars as Psalm 83:18 and Ezekiel 28:26 indicate.

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  9. Thanks for the article Greg! It was interesting to read.
    Recently I came upon the book by pastor Derek Walker. Its called "The Imminent Invasion of Israel". He has a unique view on the Gog Magog war, Psalm 83 etc.

    https://oxfordbiblechurch.co.uk/index.php/books/the-imminent-invasion-of-israel

    I was impressed by his interpretation of the expression "Mountains of Israel" mentioned in Ezekiel prophecy. I always though it to be the Golan Heights, but he said that is has to be the West Bank.
    It actually makes a lot of senesce. The main reason for Russia to invade is to take plunder, but the official reason would be to help Palestinians in West Bank to protect them from Israel. Russia is will probably push for some UN resolution concerning the West Bank and other enemies of Israel will join this coalition.

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  10. Greg, your well-researched insight into the current Middle East War helps clear up A LOT in my opinion.

    I realize you are not a fan of modern day prophecies, however, were you aware that it has been foretold that first would come The Two-State Solution then the Birth of the Man Child ? I have been writing about this for a while now but links to the specific prophecies are in:
    AS IT ALL COMES DOWN, WE GO UP!;
    Prophecy of the Shin/Trident and Our Transformation

    As you wrote in your above article, 3. Israel must be at rest--NOT at war.
    If this current Middle East war ends and there is some type of agreement incorporating the Two-State Solution, it would be an historic "covenant" (bแตŠrรฎแนฏ--pledge; treaty; league) that could then be what is "confirmed" (gฤแธ‡ar--strengthened) in Daniel 9:27.

    In the scenario you suggest, this prophecy is looking more and more a possibility!

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  11. At https://www-bnr-nl.translate.goog/nieuws/internationaal/10530195/eu-werkt-ondanks-oorlog-aan-vrede-in-midden-oosten-is-in-ons-belang?_x_tr_sl=nl&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=nl&_x_tr_pto=wapp&_x_tr_hist=true "Despite war, EU is working on peace in the Middle East, 'it is in our interest'".

    This could lead to the Covenant with the many which the antichrist, who will emerge from Europe, will confirm.

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  12. America (Sodom #2) is likely the nation in Rev. destroyed in one hour. Foretold in Ezekiel.
    America is one of TWO separate nations in Ezekiel 38. 8 "After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them." Israel is dwelling securely but it is the second nation that is the nation of unwalled villages, the USA.
    10 Thus saith the Lord God; It shall ALSO come to pass, that AT THE SAME TIME shall things come into thy mind, and thou shalt think an EVIL thought:

    11 AND thou shalt say, I will go up to the LAND OF UNWALLED VILLAGES; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates,

    And NO, Israel never was & never will be unwalled as some posit. While the USA always was and still is unwalled & being targeted for destruction this very minute by those who have an evil thought "at the same time" they gather against Israel!

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    1. Israel WAS dwelling securely or so they thought & planning for a deal with the Saudis announced at the UN days before the surprise Hamas attack. Meanwhile the US southern border DEVOID OF WALLS is a crisis zone of multinationals pouring in for clearly evil purposes aided by the narco states criminal cartels. Drug cartel billionaire drug lords are the creation of over half a century from the very lucrative American narcotic drug trade or PHARMAKEIA!

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  13. Ezekiel 39 says that Israel will burn the weapons from the war for seven years, or 2,520 days. I'm thinking this is somehow related to Daniel 12:11-12's cryptic mention of a 1,290 and 1,335 days after the Abomination of Desolation. If I had to guess I'd say the Ezekiel 38-39 wara concludes early in the tribulation, Israel starts burning their weapons, and is finished at either the end of those 1,290 or 1,335 days.

    As for Isaiah 17, Isaiah 17:4-6 certainly sounds like Israel during the tribulation, especially the second half. I place the destruction of Damascus as being in the tribulation, before the midpoint. It might be destroyed in the earthquake at the 6th seal.

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  14. Fantastic article! I have to totally agree with you both about Psalm 83, and that current events are leading up to Ezek 38. I am not sure how all the puzzle pieces fit together - how can we go from the state of things now, to Isreal deciding to divide Jerusalem? How will a treaty get worked out? What hooks Russia's attention that she want to do another military invasion when right now Ukraine is pretty much sucking up all those resources?

    So many burning questions and the only way to answer them is to wait and see.

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  15. At https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-oWNP7jDtU "Emmanuel Macron To Host A PEACE CONFERENCE This Thursday!" by https://www.youtube.com/@WatchmanOnTheWall88:

    "Emmanuel Macron To Host A PEACE CONFERENCE This Thursday!

    6 nov 2023
    Emmanuel Macron will Host a Peace Conference this Thursday in France… in efforts to kickstart Peace Talks and a resolution to the current War in Israel that is intensifying by the Day.

    Jesus is coming soon! Repent, believe the Gospel, and be converted to new life in Jesus Christ today! Tomorrow is not promised! Jesus Christ is the only way to the Kingdom of Heaven and the only name that can save you!

    Link to my Telegram Channel:

    https://t.me/chadthomas88"

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  18. I respectfully disagree. :)

    In the time I have read Psalm 83, and consider others take on it, I have come to my own "opinion" that it is both a prayer and a prophecy.

    I will also go so far as to say that I think it's a prophecy for our time, especially the coming weeks and months.

    I will also frame this in the light of time, since God is not subject to our limitations in time, and prophecies are rarely about a single point in time. In this I believe that Psalm 83 began unfolding decades ago near the birth of Israel, and has yet to fully be completed.

    Verse 4 is a common theme throughout the decades and centuries, but only means something when Israel actually exists on the map at any given period.

    Well, she's back now, and the surrounding enemies are in force.

    Verse 5 certainly describes how these enemies have "one mind" to remove her from the earth and posses her lands once again.

    Verses 13-15 describe a scenario being requested by Asaph, that a case for tactical nukes could render at the hands of the Israelis.

    Similar in nature to Jeremiah 49:27 / Isaiah 17:13 regarding Damascus, and Jeremiah 50:32,39-40 regarding Babylon.

    But Verse 17 is where we find the conclusion of the enemies fate, if it is a prophecy. And if it is a prophecy, then it is not completely fulfilled yet, as these enemies still exist and harass Israel at this time.

    Simply, they will cease to exist when this ends.

    My "opinion" of course. ;)

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    1. As for Isaiah 17, it goes hand in hand I believe with Jeremiah 49:23-27, and I believe the rest of Jeremiah 49 occurs within this same time frame of Damascus's demise.

      That being the judgment
      - of the Ammonites
      - of Edom
      - of kedar and Hazor
      - and most importantly Elam (Western Iran)

      Damascus is already a heap of ruins, but it awaits the final death swing shown in Jeremiah 49:27 that makes it uninhabitable forever more.

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  21. Have to agree with Moin that Macron's Peace Forum this weekend might result in a resolution to the current Middle East conflict. According to the website:
    https://parispeaceforum.org/the-2023-forum/
    the Forum will take place November 10-11. I'm expecting something VERY PROPHETIC to occur on 11-11...

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    1. Amen! Your last articles are great! Waiting for this Very Event!

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    2. Agreed. This weekend does look like it could hold something in store for us. 11/11 (Cheshvan 27) and the modern anniversary of the end of the Great Flood.

      Another interesting point to this weekend is that the Sun and Mars are BOTH in Libra. By the 13th the New Moon will join them in Libra. On 11/11 the darkened New Moon will be at the feet of Virgo. Opposite to them in the Mazzaroth is Jupiter and Uranus in Aries the Ram. They are prominent at the top of the night skies these evenings.

      I seem to remember reading that it was a custom to enter contractual agreements when the Sun was in Libra and that there are seals associated with those agreements. If an agreement were entered into at such a time that the Sun were in Libra then 3-1/2 years (per the current Jewish calendar later) the Sun would be in Aries.

      That is very interesting especially given the (Psalm 90:10) model from a latest death of the two witnesses model. That model suggests the latest date of their departure would be 29,159 days after May 14, 1948; that's 80-years and 359-days if to be the 80th year. Considering these model the arrival of the two witnesses would be at Yom Teruah next year. Just in time for a new agreement seven year agreement to come to pass with the Sun in Libra.

      Not dogmatic on this just keeping an eye out!

      Where would the Rapture occur in this? Anytime between now and Yom Teruah, 2024 with my pick being the coming on the Full Moon/Bethlehem Star bright morning star event coming this May. The star stories around that date are VERY interesting if you ask me! Both Earth and Moon will be in Scorpius when viewed from the Sun.

      No matter what, we're not promised tomorrow so share Christ today!

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    3. Thanks Alla and P.R.
      P.R. the May 2024 Full Moon/Bethlehem Star bright morning star event you spoke of seems significant to me especially if our Departure occurs in 2024!

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    4. It strikes me the same. The Bethlehem Star will be hidden in the glare of the rising morning Sun. I highly doubt it will be visible. The Sun/Venus/Jupiter will all be in Taurus very near the Pleiades. Again, looking at the Earth and Moon from the Sun both will be aligned in Scorpius very near Antares. Opposing sides of the Mazzaraoth even "anti" if you will.

      The Maji (Magoi) followed the star to find the Christ-child and celebrate the first Christmas. Could that be the Day we're looking for? I don't know. Could we be taken before then? Perhaps. At least we do know that the restrainer will be removed (which is an idiom for the removal of the Church being the Rapture) according to Paul and the early church fathers via the Dead Sea Scrolls.

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  22. Ezekiel Ch.38: And the word of the Lord came unto me saying, Son of man, set they face against Gog, the land of Magog, the prince, chief of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him, and say thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the prince, chief of Meshech and Tubal: and I will turn thee back and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts of armor, even a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords.

    Today's understanding of the territory of the land of Magog is that this refers to Russia. But, I don't think that is the case. Although the territory of Magog was occupied by, and was once a part of the USSR, history has seen to it, that what used to be is no longer the case. These territories are all Moslem territories.

    The work of Carl Ludwigson, a Hebrew scholar that points out that the land of Magog, along with the lands of Syria, Togarmah (Turkey), Meshech and Tubal, were all doing business with Tyre, six centuries before Christ. That territory was part of the Moslem Empire also, and as such, carries more weight in that context than does Russia, when it comes to this prophecy.

    According to Carl, the Hebrew word "rosh" is translated "head', or "chief", 423 times in the Old Testament. "Rosh" is not Russia. The word "nish", or prince has the accent which is disjunctive and indicates a pause.

    The correct Hebrew translation of Ezekiel 38:3, should read: "Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the prince, (pause) chief of Meshech and Tubal.

    All atlases of the Bible printed before the 1940's show the land of Magog to be in the northern part of Iraq, just north of Baghdad, and Meshech and Tubal are in the area that today is Turkey and portions of northern Syria as well as northern Iraq.

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  23. From this it's clear that Gog (Antichrist, the Chief Prince), will be from Iraq and that he will become the Chief Prince (once again) of that portion of Turkey and the northern part of Syria along with Iraq, which again is the former Seleucid/Hashemite Kingdom, the kingdom grown out of the Moslem Empire, the seventh Empire on the land out of Babylon.

    The seventh kingdom, represented by the Feet, on Nebuchadnezzar's great image, historically, becomes the Moslem Empire (which was also split into two parts), and the toes, growing out of that Empire will be kingdoms, loosely united, from within the Roman portion of the Grecian Kingdom, that will fulfill the remainder of the prophecy of Daniel and Revelation.

    This prophecy is describing the Antichrist's kingdom! Gog, the spiritual prince , who is the chief of the lands that describe the Seleucid/Hashemite Kingdom, is who God is against, not Russia. It's Antichrist who comes down on Israel, not Russia. Russia may be allied to these nations, but in the end, Antichrist double crosses them all, and they wind up at Armageddon.

    This is borne out in the correct Hebrew translation of Ezekiel 38:3, which should read: "Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the prince, (pause) chief of Meshech and Tubal. (Gog is the Prince of Grecia - out of the pit) And I will turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth - It's God who will control the movements of Antichrist.

    God turns the Antichrist back when He swallows up the army chasing the Jews into their hiding place in the wilderness, and then puts a hook in his jaw and brings him forth (Michael gives Satan the boot) to continue his outrageousness (Satan was wroth with the woman, so he went and kicked over their altar, and proclaimed himself as God, in God's temple, and slaughtered the remnant of them in Jerusalem who were worshiping Christ) until it leads to the show down at Armageddon.

    what does Russia have to do with any of that? The Antichrist would have to be Russia?

    Most importantly, the mainstream Church has not studied the Rapture. They are getting very mixed messages about the Rapture, simply because they are uninformed or misinformed by these same popular gurus who have Russia and Europe mixed up.

    Since we will be gone, nothing after chapter five of Rev makes any difference to us, the Christians who were Raptured.

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  24. Paul's earlier reference to the "mountains of Israel" and Derek Walker's Ezekiel interpretation reminded me again of the Strong's Hebrew for "2023" . . . "two mountains in Palestine."

    Interesting stuff. At least to me.

    The Strong's Hebrew for:

    "2024" is "a region of North Mesopotamia" . . . possibly the Ezekiel strike or Damascus area?
    "2025" is "altar" . . . possibly the rebuilt temple?
    "2026" is "to kill, slay" . . . nearing the abomination of desolation? Or the Ezekiel strike?
    "2027" is "a slaughter"
    "2028" is "a slaughter"
    "2029" is "to conceive, become pregnant"
    "2030" is "pregnant"
    "2031" is "fancy, imagining" . . . a new and altogether better world after Jacob's Trouble?

    Jeremy 

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  25. My apologies for the redundant posts. For some reason I wasn't seeing refreshed pages and it was just weird.

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  26. Houthi Rebels Shoot Down USAF Reaper Drone

    An insider look with a Naval perspective to what is going on in the Middle East with regard to the shoot-down of the Air Force Reaper this week.

    I am reminded of (Obadiah 1:9) and Teman. Teman is likely are reference to the south or southern regions and what we know today as Yemen.

    Hmmm....

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  27. Greg,

    Forgive me as I have not had time to read your latest at length (yet) but did want to take a moment to share an observation on (Psalm 83). I too see it mainly as a prayer with one element that *may* indicate human warfare; that being the reference to Jacob and Joseph,

    14 As fire consumes the forest,
    as the flame sets the mountains
    ablaze,

    (Psalm 83:14 ESV)


    How is this a reference to the house of Jacob and the house of Joseph? Open your Bibles to (Obadiah 1:18),

    18 The house of Jacob shall be a
    fire, and the house of Joseph a
    flame, and the house of Esau
    stubble; they shall burn them and
    consume them, and there shall be
    no survivor for the house of Esau,
    for the LORD has spoken.

    (Obadiah 1:18 ESV)


    Jacob is a fire. Joseph is a flame. Esau is stubble.

    The writings of the prophet Obadiah are very interesting study these days. The headers given by the authors of the ESV read thus,

    a) Edom will be humbled
    b) Edom's violence against Jacob
    c) The Day of the LORD is near
    d) The Kingdom of the LORD

    Hmmm...

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  28. RECOMMENDED VIEWING!!!

    Prophecy Watchers, The First Tribulation Prophecy | Ken Johnson

    A past presentation by Ken Johnson on the apocryphal book of Enoch. No, Enoch is not featured as a book of Bible canon but it, as well as other historical books, are referenced and/or quoted in the Bible and thus worthy of a closer look. How does Enoch line-up with the Gospel? Ken sheds light on the topic with clarity.

    Highly recommended!

    PR



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    1. Thanks for this link! It was a great video.

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  29. GOG OF MAGOG IDENTIFIED

    Quoting Ken Johnson from the video linked above,

    "I've had people say, well you know, the Gog Magog invasion...people say it's Russia, most scholars now think it's people in Turkey. You know, because of this or they think it's something else, cause there's no evidence and I keep thinking, you've never read Jasher. I mean it mentions Magog's great grandson as being the first Scythian king, and it mentions the first three kings and that they settled right north of that mountain range. There's no way it can be anything but a Russian invasion."

    Ken Johnson, Pikes Peak Prophecy Summit, The Ancient Book of Enoch: The First Tribulation
    Prophecy.

    I have a copy of his translation of the Ancient Book of Jasher if anyone wants further citation on that point.

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  30. Back to the first question, Where Is This Going?

    God used as symbol, the image of a beast with seven heads and ten horns throughout these end time prophecies. There were also crowns involved, and sometimes the crowns were on the heads and some time the crowns were on the horns.

    That is a small detail, but nonetheless important in the identification of whom these symbols identify.I want to illustrate the precision with which God used these symbols to keep track of who he was talking about - it's important from the standpoint to show that God knows exactly what He is doing, and He's going to get it done, His way.

    The scripture says in Daniel, at the time of these ten kings, loosely held together, like clay and iron, will the events of the end time, the last seven years, the seventieth week begin to unfold.

    When the subject is Satan, who ruled all seven kingdoms, and when the timing is before he is cast out of heaven to the earth by Michael, and before the man child has been raptured, the eighth kingdom (Antichrist's kingdom) is not yet in power, so there are no crowns, the symbol of power, on the horns.

    And when the Subject is the Devil, who is the real ruler; the crowns are on the seven kingdoms, the seven heads. But, when the subject changes from the Devil to the beast who will give Antichrist power to conquer the remainder of the reconstituted Roman Empire and set up the final eighth kingdom - when he, as Antichrist will rule and set himself up as the one to be worshiped, then the crowns go on the horns.

    I want you to see the precision with which God outlines the end of time.

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  31. What are the seven heads and the ten horns?

    Rev.17:9: The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sitteth and there are seven kings, five are fallen. What five kings, that have oppressed Israel, have fallen.

    Egypt was the first, took them into bondage, Assyria, that took the Northern Tribes was the second, Babylon was the third, Medo-Persia was the fourth, Greece is the fifth.

    There are seven kings; five are fallen - one is - that's the sixth - the Roman Empire, the other is not yet come. But when he cometh, he must continue a short space - that's that seventh one, which history shows is The Moslem Empire. The Moslem Empire was short lived as formed, as Muhammad dies, the Empire brakes in two within a year.

    But, the sixth beast (the nondescript beast of Daniel), Rome, is who grows the ten horns. So, the power that the beast from the pit gets comes from the Roman portion of the Moslem Empire.

    The Seleucid portion of the Grecian Empire, which contains the land of the Hashemite Kingdom, of the Moslem Empire, was conquered by the Romans and is the territory from where these ten kings grow. And the one that grows up among them, the eleventh, grows up among them in that territory, but was not there at the time of the Romans. So the “little horns” kingdom is an emerging kingdom. Jordan is that Kingdom that grew up among them in the modern times, and Jordan is ruled by the Hashemite King.

    And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition. And the ten horns that thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. These kings get their power at the time of the beast, which is in the second half of the Great Tribulation.

    The ten toes of Daniel, are ten kings of the last days, out of the Grecian portion of the Roman portion of the Moslem Empire, who come together loosely in the end times to give power to the Little Horn to form Antichrist's short lived final kingdom, the restored Hashemite Rule in the Hashemite Kingdom.

    That will be the reconstitution of the real Hashemite Kingdom of the Moslem Empire, which will be given power in the last days by ten of the kings on that land. The Moslem Empire included Iraq, Syria, Turkey, Kuwait, Lebanon, Israel, Palestine/Jordan, Egypt, Libya, Morocco, Iran, all the Moslem lands around the Black sea, the Caspian Sea and along the Caucasus Mountains between them (the lands of Magog), and Saudi Arabia.

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  32. At https://www.thepropheticyears.com/enddepravity/have-the-10-days-of-awe-before-the-second-coming-begun.html "Have the 10 days of awe before the second coming begun?":

    "Have the 10 days of awe before the second coming begun?
    Posted on October 11, 2023 by Don Koenig

    My Revelation Commentary suggests that there are 10 years from the Rapture of the Church, and the opening of the first seal, until the physical 2nd coming of our Lord Jesus Christ (not just 7 years). In Judaism, there are 10 days of awe where Jews are to repent so that their sins are covered before they appear before God. I believe these 10 days of awe also represent 10 years for Israel to repent before the appearing of her Messiah.

    I do not think it was just a coincidence that the war we are now seeing in Israel started exactly 50 years after the 1973 Yom Kipper war. The attack by Hamas on Israel happened on the last day of the Feast of Tabernacles. Seeing these things, I think I may now be able to give a conjecture on how this will play out. It would be wise to keep in mind that I do not have to be correct."

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  33. According to a report today by CBN the IDF have eliminated the Hamas Command Centers. Could we be near the end of this conflict? The normal course of action after war is a peace deal. It is possible that very soon Israel will be involved in some type of agreement affecting Jerusalem. Jerusalem is the key to when we will hear the TRUMP OF GOD CALLING US HOME!

    While in the Word of God recently I found a connection between the TRUMP OF GOD and THE NATIONS ROARING. Also, I watched an amazing video by Brandon Dawson at Tribe of Christians of his experience in the Spirit where he was shown events around the Rapture and the Tribulation. May you be encouraged as you read and watch!

    THE ROAR, THE TRUMP, AND THE RETURN OF THE STAR

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    1. Add this to the advent of the Bethlehem Star this coming May - that it will be a morning star event on Omer Day 30. Venus will be preparing to cross behind the Sun to what is called "superior conjunction" to become an evening star in early June on Omer Day 40.

      Here's a breakdown of what is coming,

      Thursday, May 23, 2024
      Full moon (not visible in Israel) at 1653 (IDT) in Scorpius (may occult Antares on 5/24)
      Bethlehem Star (hidden in the Sun's glare) in Taurus near Pleiades
      Earth/Moon in Scorpius when viewed from the Sun
      Omer Day 30 (day that the matzah ran out for the children of Israel in 1313 BC)

      Saturday, June 1, 2024
      Shavuot begins (Essene calendar) at sunset

      Sunday, June 2, 2024
      Shavuot (Feast of Weeks/Pentecost) per the Essene calendar
      Venus ready to enter Superior Conjunction (last chance morning star)
      5:34 AM (IDT) sunrise in Jerusalem (twinkling of an eye)
      14:06:23 hours of daylight on 6/2/23 in Jerusalem
      Omer Day 40

      Why look for a morning star event? Look no further than (Revelation 2:25-28) where Jesus says,

      28 "And I will give him the morning star."

      RED LETTERS (Revelation 2:28 ESV)


      Venus is the bright celestial morning star and if a pattern of the Christ a potential time-piece for prophecy in G-D's clockwork of the heavens.

      Keep in mind that some of these events are marked on the Essene calendar and some on the Civil calendar. Why the Essene calendar? Because Jesus is King/Priest/Prophet in the Order of Melchizedek forever. A study of what that order is explains the "why" of the Essene calendar. Why the Civil calendar? Because Jesus died and resurrected such that He fulfilled the days according to the calendar of the ruling Pharisees of the day.

      It's worth considering both of these calendars when watching.

      Blessings, always!


      PR

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    2. Thanks, PR!
      While there's no doubt the May 23, 2024, Bethlehem Star is prophetic, I couldn't help but share in my article the video by Brandon Dawson at Tribe of Christians of his experience in the Spirit where he was not only shown events around the Rapture and the Tribulation but shown that a STAR๐ŸŒŸ would appear:

      “It all began with
      a sign that emerged in the skies. It was
      a star that appeared similar to the time
      of the birth of Jesus and the entire
      world was shaken at the emergence of the
      star. Every single major world religion
      looked to the star and they received it
      as a sign of the coming Messiah and all
      this began in Jerusalem. . .”

      If this comes to pass, it must be a star๐ŸŒŸ of greater illumination than the conjunction of two planets, so I give my 2 cents worth in
      THE ROAR, THE TRUMP, AND THE RETURN OF THE STAR.

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    3. Thinking back to the Maji (Magoi), Gentiles by any other name, who saw the advent and signs of the star of their day and followed it from the east; who is it that will be looking for the star to come? The Church, Gentiles and Messianic by any other name.

      Through His Revelation we see the seven stars in the right hand of Christ. These are angels, meaning "messengers" and the Day of our Blessed Hope comes with a message of repentance. The trumpet of God calls us to Him while it sounds a call to repentance to those who are left behind.

      The message.

      The star of Christ's day was a call for the coming of the faithful from the east. The King has come. Perhaps this one is a similar call. A similar message.

      We shall see...

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  34. The far-right-wing party PVV (Party for Freedom) won the elections in my home country The Netherlands on 22 November 2023. See https://www.politico.eu/article/far-right-leader-geert-wilders-wins-dutch-election-exit-poll/ "Far-right leader Geert Wilders wins Dutch election, early results show Wilders wants to ban mosques and leave the EU. ‘Voters are fed up,’ he says." and https://www.politico.eu/article/geert-wilders-is-the-eus-worst-nightmare/ "Geert Wilders is the EU’s worst nightmare The far-right Dutch election winner, who backs ‘Nexit,’ will be no friend to Brussels."

    The Netherlands is one of the core countries of the EU. Could this be a start of a far-right-wing revolution in the EU, causing the EU to fall apart and subsequently the formation of the 10-nation Revived Roman Empire in Europe from which the antichrist will emerge? My suspicions that the European Revived Roman Empire will consist of 10 nations with far-right governments are becoming more clear. Because in these parties is all about strong and authoritarian leadership, fascism and these kinds of governments can easily surrender themselves to the antichrist than left wing and liberal governments.

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    1. Huh, that's a different perspective on a far right govt. May it is different there from (USA). Here, but I tend to view far-right as very nationalist, unwilling to work with or surrender power to an international body. Here the left/liberals want to be all open borders and give up authority to people in the UN or WHO or basically anything except the national interests. Do that's interesting to me that it's different in your neck of the woods.

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    2. @Sherrill777, more about the European right-wing populism:

      https://www-rtlnieuws-nl.translate.goog/nieuws/buitenland/artikel/5420462/euroscepsis-radicaalrechts-nationalistisch-partijen-eu-trend?_x_tr_sl=nl&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=nl&_x_tr_pto=wapp "People versus elite: PVV most recent example of success of right-wing populism in Europe" and https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2022/10/06/populists-in-europe-especially-those-on-the-right-have-increased-their-vote-shares-in-recent-elections/ "Populists in Europe – especially those on the right – have increased their vote shares in recent elections".

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