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The Hebrew Roots Movement



As we grow nearer to our Blessed Hope, it's becoming increasingly necessary to step up and speak out, guarding the flock while there is still a few meager moments left.  It's time to be straightforward.  There is one particular heretical movement that is surging right now while the dragon tries his last minute wiles to prevent the male child's ascension.  We've dealt with different forms of apostasy, some on the left and some on the right.  All apostasy has one thing in common: it presents a false gospel in which the Atonement is presented as either unnecessary (liberal theology), or not enough (legalism).

The Hebrew Roots Movement is one such apostate movement (though not all of it, as I'll explain in a moment).  But it is definitely not new or innovative.  It is simply a resurgence of 1st century apostasy cloaked in a pretentious mask of "holiness", which in reality is nothing of the sort.  Self-righteousness and fear are what hide underneath.

If you are teaching that commandment-keeping is good, right, and a blessing—and a right response of gratefulness for what God has done for us through Christ—then I stand with you in faith.  If, instead, you are teaching that keeping the Mosaic Law is necessary for salvation then I stand apart from you.  You stand condemned already: not only by your rejection of the blood of Christ, but by the immense hypocrisy of your message.

"Necessary" is the key word.  It's the message of law-keeping necessity that supplants the gospel and severs one from Christ.

Disclaimer: [Before I continue, I want to be clear that I'm not singling out anyone in particular.  My tone would be completely different if that were the case and I would want to confront them directly in love.  But I'm confronting an entire movement and so I'm going to be straight and to the point.  I pray you will all receive this with the understanding that my heart is broken for those caught up in this demonic trap.  I desperately want them to be free from it, so that they can be saved (if not already), and stand firm in the grace and power of our LORD Jesus Christ.  I long for the scales to fall from their eyes, so that they can step into the light of the truth of the gospel.  I'm trying to snatch them from the fire, so that they can, in turn, snatch others.]




I'm witnessing many in this movement pay lip service to Christ, but fight tooth and nail against any mention of the gospel message.  There is a genuine repulsion to the biblical concept of atonement (which is in fact the Bible's central theme).  At its core, the Hebrew Roots Movement is a man-centered, man-focused, man-glorifying attempt to live by God's standards, which can never be successful.  Salvation is entirely of the LORD.

As I mentioned earlier, I don't want to lump in Messianic Judaism and everything Hebrew Roots-related into this rebuttal, because there are genuine Christians in the movement who understand and believe the gospel yet live out their faith by exploring the Hebrew underpinnings of the Christian faith.  There is beauty in that.  Celebrating Sukkot, having your family rest on Saturday, or referring to Jesus in Aramaic are fine and good.  But as soon as those things become necessities, then your faith has become vain and useless, and, like James said, who wrote to the scattered tribes of Israel which had largely rejected Christ (Jas. 1:1)—that faith is dead.  And that dead faith has also become a stumbling block to others (Rm. 14:1–23; Mt. 23:4; Lk. 11:46).  If you truly believe that Christ has entirely, once-and-for-all, atoned for your sins and risen again, your works will normatively show that.  And those normative works are most clearly evidenced by the Holy Spirit's fruit in your life.  Love chief among them.

The fruits of the apostate elements of the Hebrew Roots Movement appear to be anger, self-righteousness, hypocritical judgment, obsession with rule-keeping rather than God Himself, and, most tellingly, an aversion to any mention of the gospel, security of salvation, the finality of atonement, justification before God, or the sovereignty of God in salvation.

There is also a strong aversion when Christians state the obvious fact that our flesh will necessarily remain imperfect until glorification.  Believers should hate sin and strive toward perfection, but 100% of believers who have ever lived have sinned in the flesh even after coming to a saving knowledge of the truth.  Peter, Paul, James, and John all had "bod[ies] of sin and death" even after receiving the Holy Spirit.  You and I are no different.

Before you jump in with the wolves, who regurgitate Roman Catholic and sectarian talking points about passages like James 2 and Hebrews 10, I implore you to first explore the possibility that these passages do not alter the gospel, but rather bolster it.  If you find yourself believing that James 2 and Hebrews 10 somehow paint a picture where works are necessary for salvation rather than, or in addition to, the atoning sacrifice and resurrection of Jesus Christ on our behalf, I implore you with all of my heart and soul to read these two studies:

James 2: Law and Grace

Hebrews 10: The Final Sacrifice


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A Common Enemy


Why are Islam and the secular Left in bed together?  The most totalitarian and legalistic religion on the planet and the lawless forces of leftism, are conjoined for convenience, because the enemy of both is the truth of God and the Church.

I've spoken at great length in numerous articles about the importance of discerning how the gospel of salvation is distorted by both legalists (often on the right of the political spectrum) and lawless (often on the left).  Legalists and lawless are typified in the New Testament by the competing camps of Pharisees (the legalistic, self-righteous) and the Sadducees (the lawless, God-rejecting).  Mankind hasn't changed much in 2,000 years.  The same demons of the past are with us today.  The apostles diligently warned us about the deception from both camps that are, unknowingly, Satan-inspired to steer people away from the simple truth of the gospel.  Both sides attack the truth and twist words, regularly employing straw-man arguments against those who hold fast to the Cross.  Both sides are all about self and self-aggrandizement, whereas the gospel of Christ and Him crucified is about God and His glory.

Whereas I've spelled out a number of ways to detect the lie(s) of both sides, let me share with you the simplest way to detect their untruth:


They both lack clarity.


We don't know as much as we think we do, but what God has chosen to reveal to us through His word is crystal clear.  If your belief system lacks clarity about salvation and the truth of God, you can be assured it's from hell.  Run from it.  Satan is the author of confusion, not our all-powerful, all-knowing, perfect Heavenly Father.

The Hebrew Roots Movement is a perfect example of this.  You'll never get a clear or consistent answer about any of these things:

1. Salvation: accomplished by Christ through His death and resurrection... or accomplished by us, either in whole or in part?

2. Maintaining salvation: Christ or us?

3. Which works/commands are necessary for salvation?

4. How many works/commands must be performed to "prove" one's salvation?

5. How many sins/acts of disobedience are necessary to disprove one's salvation or to be considered a habitual sinner?

6. Confession of individual sins: necessary for salvation?  If so, what about forgotten sins?  What about sins you're not aware of?  And how does the Atonement factor in?  Was the penalty of sin paid for on the Cross or when one confesses individual sins?

7. The Name of God: Yahweh?  Yehowah?  Yehoweh?  Yehowih?  Yehovah?  Jehovah?  Yahuah?  What if you use the wrong name?  Must Gentiles become like Jews?

8. Keeping the Torah: which of the 613 commands?  All of them?  Some of them?  How do you decide which to neglect and which to keep?  What about the principle that Christ fulfilled the Torah Himself on our behalf?  Are we free or still bound by the Law?  If bound by the Law, what is the penalty for breaking the Law?  If the penalty is loss of salvation, then what did Christ come for?  Why did He die?

Just like the Christ-rejecters circa 33 AD whose testimonies did not agree—so too the Christians-in-name-only Cross-rejecters in 2019.

The chief priests and the whole Sanhedrin were looking for evidence against Jesus so that they could put Him to death, but they did not find any.  Many testified falsely against Him, but their statements did not agree.
- Mark 14:55–56

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Christ Did Not Come To Abolish The Law
- YET -
We Are Not Under It

Christ said He came not to abolish the Law, but to fulfill it.  Paul says we are no longer under the Law and that the Law is passing away.  Which is it?  The Hebrew Roots Movement will have you either mix these truths and muddy the waters, or keep what Christ said and ignore what Paul said.

To the contrary, both are true and both are clear.  Christ came to fulfill the Law Himself.  Which He did.  Perfectly.  And He did it because no one could ever fulfill it except Him.  He fulfilled it for us, on our behalf.  Now we are free.  Now we are no longer under Law, but under grace.

We are now under a new law.  A better law, which is variously called the Law of Christ (Gal. 6:2), the Law of Liberty (Jas. 1:25; 2:12), and "a new commandment" (Jn. 13:34–35).  We are not under the Law, but under grace (Rom. 6:14).  We now only have one necessary "work" to perform:


The work of God is this: to believe in the One He has sent. (Jn. 6:28–29)


And one set of rules to follow:


Love God and love one another
(especially those of the household of faith, our brothers and sisters in Christ).


The first is necessary for salvation.  The second naturally flows out of a person who has genuinely trusted in Christ and received the Holy Spirit.  There's no room for error on the "work".  Christ is the only way.  But on the rules, there is room for error, because none of us are perfect while in the flesh.  Yet a truly blood-bought believer will exhibit this ultimate fulfillment of all of the laws at some point, in some fashion, as proof of faith.  And salvation rests entirely, and without exception, on the work of God, through Him who is our righteousness, Jesus Christ.

Those who deny this are either not in the household of faith, or are severely deceived, whose faith has become useless and unproductive—even counter-productive—as is the Hebrew Roots Movement, which is leading tens of thousands away from Christ.

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Jumping To The Moon




I leave you with this analogy: these mixed-gospel, works-righteousness systems like the Hebrew Roots Movement and Roman Catholicism are like a couple of kids trying to jump to the moon.  They are both fully convinced they can do it.  And they are both fully unaware of how far away the moon really is.  It looks close from their perspective—like you could almost reach up and grab it.  Yet looks can be deceiving.  In reality, it's a quarter of a million miles away.  Nothing but a rocket ship will get them there.

One jumps first.  "Look, I'm closer than you are!"  he says as he reaches a hand toward the sky.  The other jumps second, ascending just a few inches higher than the first.  With an extra burst of competitive enthusiasm, the first bends his knees as much as he can, leaping even higher than his companion.  The competition only builds from there, but an accurate grasp of reality would show that neither were any closer than when they first began.  Their achievements were minuscule and useless toward getting to the moon.

Salvation is like that, but even more so.  Much more so, in fact.  We're not just trying to get to a physical object in viewing distance, but to a whole different realm in another dimension where a perfectly holy God dwells in unapproachable light.  Sinners traveling to Heaven are like mosquitoes flying toward a bug zapper.

What these children need to understand is that no feat of jumping, regardless of how much effort and dedication they put into it, will get them to the moon.  The only way for them to get to the moon is for someone to take them there.  They need that rocket ship and a pilot with the skills to fly it.

Our rocket ship is the Cross and our pilot is the LORD Jesus Christ, Yeshua HaMashiach.  He will most assuredly get us where we're going, but we have to trust Him enough to get in the ship of salvation, just as Noah had to trust God enough to build the ark and get into it before the rains came.  There are many "Christians" who talk incessantly about how great the pilot is, but never board the ship—they're still trying as hard as they can to jump to the moon.

The biblical standard of righteousness is perfection.  That means perfect thoughts, perfect intentions, and perfect actions.  And not just for a day or a week or a month, but forever.  That standard is such that it qualifies exactly zero people in history to fly to the moon, spare One—Jesus Christ.  The Bible couldn't be any clearer about how universally disqualified we are (Eccl. 7:20; Rm. 3:10).  We're dead men walking (Eph. 2:1, 5).  The best things we've ever done and our greatest achievements are like dirty tampons (Isa. 64:6).  Yuck.

This is why any belief system other than faith alone in Christ alone, is a blasphemous denigration of God's standard and Law.  Those in the Hebrew Roots Movement who reject sola fide aren't closer to fulfilling the Law, they're further away—much further away—because the Law is perfectly fulfilled in Christ.  And those who believe that Christ's perfect Law-keeping record can be applied to them by faith, have become perfect Law-keepers in the eyes of Almighty God.  They've boarded the rocket ship and are headed for something much, much grander than the moon.

We might need to compare the record of a 1st Century Pharisee or teacher of the Law with that of a Hebrew Roots proponent.  The Pharisees were a band of meticulous [external] Law-keepers.  In fact, they added myriads of extra rules around each mitzvah to ensure the commandment would be kept.  By appearances they were near-perfect.  Yet Jesus revealed that exceeding their Law-keeping prowess was the only way into the Kingdom of God (Mt. 5:20).  That is, of course, barring a substitute.

For the sake of your souls and all those who take their spiritual cues from you, I implore you to trust in Christ alone for your salvation and not in yourself.  It's easy to say Christ is the only way in the context of non-Christian religions, but there are many who acknowledge that premise, yet remain unaware that "no other name under Heaven" (Acts 4:12) necessarily includes their own.








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33 comments :

  1. Thanks Gary, going to read your articles now about Hebrew 10 & James 2.

    Hebrews 10 is pretty obvious, he ising to Jewish people who had just dipped their toe in Christianity, and were beginning to return to doing daily sacrifices to atone for sin just to make doubly sure they were covered. And Paul was admonishing them, that no sacrifice remains for those that reject Christ.

    But James 2, faith without works can be somewhat confusing. Renee Rolland has some great videos on YouTube explaining this, that the works are to justify us before men, so that we are an example to others, that will lead them to the truth..

    Anyway enough spouting, I will get on with reading your mentioned articles.

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    1. The more I study it, the more I find Hebrews 10 to be the most sola fide-centric chapter in the entire Bible.

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    2. Hmmm...Gary. Perhaps that's why Hebrews 10 has gotten twisted up like a pretzel over the years. Countless, wavering believers have been tripped up by the Hebrews 6 and 10 one-two punch---but how needless if only they could see clearly what the Spirit is saying!

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    3. Amen, and amen! Bullseye, Gary.

      Quoting you,

      "...there are genuine Christians in the movement who understand and believe the gospel yet live out their faith by exploring the Hebrew underpinnings of the Christian faith."

      Amen, and I am guilty of being one of them! Our Hebrew underpinnings are one avenue of understanding, especially in regard to language and cultural context and meaning. From the very beginning of my walk I wanted to know Scripture via the original languages. That's why my first Bible was a Greek New Testament. I also have my loved JPS Tanakh for study. Both of them are studied in light of Christ and to the point of Christ.

      Indeed, there is beauty in this and it's all the more so when you understand that it's all about Jesus!

      I like your question #7,

      "The Name of God: Yahweh? Yehowah? Yehoweh? Yehowih? Yehovah? Jehovah? Yahuah? What if you use the wrong name? Must Gentiles become like Jews?"

      If you follow tradition, the Name of the LORD, "יהוה" is treated as being inexpressible and hinted at -- not to be spoken. In the Hebrew tradition "יהוה" is spoken as either of "Adonai" or "HaShem". Me? I know Him as Jesus, but will often render His Name as either of "Adonai" (LORD) or "HaShem" (The Name).

      But the bottom-line is that we are to become Christ-like...not more Jewish. And don't forget folks, Jesus was born a Jew!



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  2. My goodness brother! :)

    Love this!

    Blessings! <3

    Just this last week I had a conversation with someone on all of this.

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    It is not the pursuit of the Law, but that of the Spirit that manifests the Law within us.

    How much clearer does it need to be said?
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    Rom 6:14

    For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
    ___

    Galatians 5:13-16

    For you, brothers, were called to freedom; but do not use your freedom as an opportunity for the flesh. Rather, serve one another in love.

    The entire Law is fulfilled in a single decree: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”

    But if you keep on biting and devouring each other, watch out, or you will be consumed by each other.

    So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh.
    ___

    1 John 5:4-5

    Because everyone born of God overcomes the world.

    And this is the victory that has overcome the world:

    our FAITH.

    Who then overcomes the world?

    Only he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God.
    ___

    John 4:23

    "But a time is coming and has now come when the TRUE worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and in truth, for the Father is seeking such as these to worship Him.

    God is Spirit, and His worshipers must worship Him in spirit and in truth."
    ___

    Galatians 5:13 & 16

    "The entire Law is fulfilled in a single decree: “Love your neighbor as yourself."

    "So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh."
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    Galatians 5:22-25

    But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control;

    against such things there is no law.

    Now those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.

    If we live by the Spirit, let us also walk by the Spirit.

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    1. "It is not the pursuit of the Law, but that of the Spirit that manifests the Law within us.

      How much clearer does it need to be said?"

      Amen to that brother. And most excellent Scriptures!

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  3. Great work here, brother. A lot of wisdom. I just wish that some of the people that you have in mind would actually take the time to read through this carefully. At any rate, it sharpens the rest of us!

    I was also thinking about Gal. 4:28-29 as I read this. The Ishmaels out there can't stand the Isaacs, and thus, the Isaacs are persecuted. But in the face of it, we are to nevertheless, "Stand firm, and not submit again to a yoke of slavery" (Gal. 5:1).

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  4. Thanks, Gary. Always refreshing to be reminded of salvation by faith in Christ, not by the law.

    “I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!”
    ‭‭Galatians‬ ‭2:21‬ ‭NIV‬‬

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  5. Amen! Worthy is THE LAMB THAT WAS SLAIN TO RECEIVE GLORY...

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  6. Excellent. Clear, to the point and well needed as a warning/reminder in this age. Loved the 8 questions for this is the crux of the matter.

    I've heard Amir Tsarfati (Jewish Bible teacher) say a few times now (paraphrasing from memory):

    "The Bible says that you, the Gentiles, are meant to be provoking the Jews to jealousy, not the other way around! They are meant to desire what you have, not you what they have!"

    Unfortunately, if one doesn't grasp the reality in Christ, the shadows start looking appealing! (Col 2:16-18)

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  7. excellent article thank you, here in the UK most of the so-called Messianic churches their main focus appears to be on the Holidays (holy days) Feasts, these they insist must be kept every year totally "religiously" everyone of the Major and most of the minor ones too.

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  8. I am so glad you are speaking about this because so many Christians are being fooled by this heretic teaching. This movement is false and more leaders, pastors and christian organizations need to be speaking out about this heresy. Thank you so much for posting this and for your reliable and trustworthy doctrinal stance.

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  9. Gary, I believe it's all a part of the falling-away. The apostasy of the Church is all over the place, remember the last Church mentioned in Revelation? Lukewarmness is abundant. One story I know about is former Mormon bishop Lee Baker, came out of Mormonism, went mainstream then proclaimed Christ isn't the messiah. He has subjected himself to the Noahide Laws and joined the Bnei Noach branch of Judaism. He was part of 4mornon.org who witnessed to Mormons. https://m.facebook.com/leeb.baker.501/posts/197980631165325

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  10. Perhaps you are also aware of and equally sinister and false doctrine being taught, and that is The(alleged) Gospel of Paul. This is a very lying and subtle spirit of the devil. If you have taught on it previously, my apologies, thank you for your faithfulness in calling out heretical doctrines contrary to the Holy Scriptures.

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    1. Abby, maybe I'm confused with what you're calling the false Gospel of Paul. I'm not understanding what you're saying. If what Paul wrote is wrong, then what did Jesus even die for. If Isaiah says my good works are filthy rags, how can one save themself if not for Christ alone. Please explain what you are saying please.

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  11. A WOW PIN-POINT!!!

    We were coming home from seeing "Toy Story 4" tonight and heard that there is a major black out in Manhattan.

    Quoting, BBC,

    "The widespread power outage extended from Fifth Avenue west to the Hudson River, and from the West 40s north to 72nd Street"

    "Mayor Bill de Blasio said the New York Police Department had confirmed there was no foul play. 'This was a mechanical issue,' he wrote on Twitter."


    Here's what's interesting! This black out comes 42 YEARS TO THE DAY of the 1977 New York City blackout. "42" as in 42 months? On the 13th day of the month?

    5 And the beast was given a
    mouth uttering haughty and
    blasphemous words, and it
    was allowed to exercise
    authority for forty-two
    months.

    (Revelation 13:5 ESV)


    Check-out the coincidence of numbers...but there's more!

    ...and let us not forget,

    1 Then I was given a
    measuring rod like a
    staff, and I was told,
    "Rise and measure the
    temple of God and the
    altar and those who
    worship there"

    (Revelation 11:1 ESV)


    Anyone else around here been seeing "111" all over the place recently? I have. Now we have "42" and "13" connected tonight.

    Forty-two is a number that is clearly and directly connected with the coming of the AC. Forty-two 30-day months equals 1,260 days which should be familiar to virtually all visitors to this site by now.

    Has a VERY clear signal been given us tonight?

    Let's look a little deeper. Recent events *may* be pointing to 9/28/19 and Yom Teruah/Rosh Hashana on the Hebrew civil calendar. How many days is it from tonight to 9/28/19?

    76-days.

    What is the PRODUCT of 7 and 6? What is seven times six?

    42!


    Want more?

    The 1977 blackout began on the 13th and stretched into the 14th. What MAJOR event happened 2,920-days before the New York City blackout of 1977? Almost 8 years to the day?! 800% of a common year?!!

    THE LAUNCH OF APOLLO 11!

    The first of a series of landings on the moon for which we are now celebrating a jubilee of years! IT'S 50 YEARS SINCE THE LAUNCH OF APOLLO 11 SENDING NEIL ARMSTRONG, BUZZ ALDRIN AND MICHAEL COLLINS TO THE MOON.

    A jubilee of years!

    American is preparing for a 2024 return to the moon. What is the name of the new moonship that will follow in the footsteps of Apollo?

    The next manned missions to the moon will be named for the SISTER of the Greek god Apollo. What is her name?

    Artemis!

    Hmmm, that name may be familiar to you. Has anyone here been reading in Acts lately? Say in chapter 19?

    35 "Men of Ephesus, who is
    there who does not know that
    the city of the Ephesians is
    temple keeper of the great
    Artemis, and of the sacred
    stone that fell from the sky?"


    Artemis! Also known to the Romans as the goddess "Diana!"

    MY HAIR IS STANDING ON END!!!

    ...and what was the rallying cry of the crowd as they were stirred into a frenzy as Alexander, a Jew, tried to make a defense to the crowd in verse 33? For about two-hours the mob chanted,

    34 "Great is Artemis of the Ephesians!"

    (Acts 19:34 ESV)


    ...or dare I say, "Make Artemis Great Again?"

    Much more digging to do here.

    WOW!!!


    PR

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    1. ...I didn't finish the quotation of (Revelation 11) above. Here's the rest which is of interest,

      2 but do not measure the court
      outside the temple; leave that
      out, for it is given over to
      the nations, and they will
      trample the holy city for
      forty-two months.

      (Revelation 11:2 ESV)


      ...and John, via the Holy Spirit, continues,

      3 And I will grant authority to
      my two witnesses, and they will
      prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed
      in sackcloth.

      (Revelation 11:3 ESV)


      Here's an interesting pin-point from the study time-line I have been working with...

      What is 1,260 days from Rash Hashana (Yom Teruah) on the CIVIL calendar this year? According to Chabad.org, Purim is on Tuesday, March 11, 2023 -- the 1,260 days lands during the season of Purim, "one of the most joyous and fun holidays on the Jewish calendar". And during which Jewish festival do observant and secular Jews usually party and give gifts?

      Purim.

      And what does Scripture say of the two witnesses?

      7 And when they have finished
      their testimony, the beast that
      rises from the bottom-less pit
      will make war on them and
      conquer them and kill them,

      8 and their dead bodies will lie
      in the street of the great city
      that symbolically is called Sodom
      and Egypt, where their Lord was
      crucified.

      9 For three and a half days some
      from the peoples and tribes and
      languages and nations will gaze
      at their dead bodies and refuse
      to let them be placed in a tomb.

      10 and those who dwell on the
      earth will rejoice over them and
      make merry and exchange presents,
      because these two prophets had
      been a torment to those who dwell
      on the earth.

      (Revelation 11:7-10 ESV)


      We've been seeing a lot of TWO's lately! Now this?

      Hmmm...

      Forgive me as this is rushed, I have a busy day today and must turn-in!

      Blessings!

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    2. Pastor Rich.... These numbers amaze me as winks of God.

      Enthused by your 2920 day finding, I was stimulated to dig another hole. I looked up the power outage time in NYC in 1977. The main power went out at 9:27 PM on 7/13/1977.

      I then looked at the lift off time of Apollo 11 to the moon...and noted it was indeed as you said 2920 days till while the power was still off on July 14th.

      I then checked the hours passed between the launch and the power outage. It was 70,060 some hours. I didnt write down the exact number. But that number made me wonder if it wouldn't perhaps be 70,000 hours time from the launch of the lunar lander..the "eagle"..The liftoff time from the moon is given as 8:32 am EST on July 20,1969.

      Then when you calculate the hours to the 1977 NYC final blackout time , at 9:27 PM EST...the hours came up an interesting 69966 hours.
      I feel this is an interesting wink warning from God, just as the Rev 12 sign was a warning for trouble ahead. What I have severe problems with is very high anticipated dates being associated with these divine winks as rapture dates. Many such dates have come and gone that had very divine winks of God that were beyond coincidence, but unfortunately it seems too many are trying to pre announce a date, that will come and go, and leave much disappointment.

      We will be here many many months, and will see many more winks if God this year and the next couple of years at the least.

      My faith builds from these winks because I know they are beyond coincidence, but I feel much more has to happen biblically before we are even close to being out of here. 😊

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    3. Rich, my Brother, I think you need to leave a comment at Many Fish YTC. Check out his 4 minute video today titled "Apollo 11. 23 46 69 9:11". Here's the link:
      https://youtu.be/upJ_j4iOI0s

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  12. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vuLtnlqxg4
    Hi all, since you are talking about dates and events, I allowed myself to give you a link. What do you think of this post on youtube "Rapture at twilight"? I arrived on this site this week and the calendar is well done but I do not know the dates and the events as much as you seem to know them on your site. In many places on the internet, it speaks only of this date of July 17. Thank you for informing me because it intrigues me! God bless you!

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    1. Hello, Carole,

      Welcome to UNSEALED.ORG! Thank you for your response below. I just got done watching the link for the first time and I'm sorry to say that I'm not following their logic well. There is emphasis on signs in eclipses but not in the R12S? Perhaps I have missed something? In my spirit I do not *feel* that this is the date, nor did I Pentecost. Why? Several reasons in scripture which are reflected in my own time-line studies and the times and day counts provided in scripture.

      Many time-lines have fit the pattern we've been told to look for and they have failed. That's not to be taken that they will all fail. One will (and already has) succeed(ed) and that's all we should really be interested in. The One.

      I am among those looking toward Yom Teruah although His coming is imminent. I do believe we can know the Day but believe we'll be on the threshold by the time we *know*. The knowing will be in the heart. The Spirit will assure us that we may not fear. In that we should trust and have faith.

      For us it will happen so fast that we may not even know immediately what has happened. The twinkling of an eye remember? (About 1/13th of a second IIRC?)

      He IS the good, good Father; for us, His coming will be filled with, and bring, ultimate joy. For all others?

      Too terrible to comprehend.

      We should all be ready at any moment. That is the challenge and mark of Christian maturity. I use my time-line as a study aid and tool to dig deeper into the Word. Dates and days are a by-product of the study -- not the purpose.

      The mortality of my own flesh precedes any candidate day of the Day. Of this I am certain. I am also certain of the immortality of that which will be put on. On that Day we will all be incorruptible. Glorious. More than abiding in Christ. We will be clothed with and filled with Christ.

      I believe we should cleave to the Word and trust that all will play-out exactly as we have been told. Daniel, Matthew and John all spell it out clearly. We have seen the Great Sign. I believe it is the milepost, the sign for the coming off ramp. Our exit from this place.

      Like you, I am a fellow traveller passing through these parts on a journey with my heart and my sights set on Home.

      Ask of Him. He gives freely in terms of wisdom. Then share as the Spirit leads you.

      Blessings,


      Pastor Rich

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  13. At https://www.nowtheendbegins.com/bastille-day-paris-showcases-ten-nation-confederacy-european-intervention-initiative-joint-military-pact/:

    "Bastille Day In France Showcases The Ten Nation Confederacy Of The European Intervention Initiative Joint Military Pact As Main Feature Of Parade
    The European Intervention Initiative is a 10-country coalition of European militaries ready to react to crises. The French-led initiative, which includes Germany, Belgium, Britain, Denmark, Estonia, the Netherlands, Spain, and Portugal, was launched last year, according to Reuters. The flags of 10 countries of the European Intervention Initiative, a joint military pact created last year, led Sunday's military parade down the Champs Elysees avenue in Paris. In a message to the French people before the parade, President Emmanuel Macron highlighted the importance of France's commitment to boost European security."

    "Daniel 7:24 King James Version (KJV):

    24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings."

    Are Denmark, Estonia and Finland these three nations which will be subdued by the antichrist, because these nations are outside the territory of the Old Roman Empire? I think that this will happen right after the Brexit and when the whole Middle-East is at war which will be ignited by Iran. These two things will wreak so much havoc across Europe that they will beg for a strong military leader.

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  14. THAT is very interesting especially considering that the EII (or E2I if abbreviated?)

    French President Macron first proposed the European Intervention Initiative at his Sorbonne keynote on 26 September 2017.

    Take a look at your civil calendar for Tuesday, September 26, 2017. This is DURING the Revelation 12 Sign on the sixth, 6th day of the month of Tishrei. Tishrei is the seventh month of the ecclesiastic calendar but Tishrei marks the Civil New Year.

    If you don't yet see the connection, the beginning of the Ecclesiastic New Year marks the beginning of all creation. The sixth day of creation is when we, mankind, began to walk the face of the earth. Now, what day could metaphorically represent the sixth day of creation on the civil (man's) calendar? Tishrei 6 -- which in this case was Tuesday, September 26, 2017.

    An interesting day to speak on behalf of the *CREATION* of a ten country European military alliance.

    Interesting.

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  15. Hi, could someone from you answer me about the link I put above? It's about July 17th? I do not know if that makes sense and I would like your opinion. Thank you in the name of the Lord Jesus!

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  16. Hi "Unknown" ,
    Usually when someone asks a question about bible prophesy, or how to interpret scriptures, I think it is nice to know who is asking the question, I personally think you would have gotten more responses to your question, if you had signed it off with your name.

    Any Who.

    There has been a lot of discussion about 7/17 (July 17) in the comments section of the past two articles posted at: https://rev12daily.blogspot.com/, many of the readers of this site (www.unsealed.org), are also readers and commentators of the https://rev12daily.blogspot.com/ site. I would say there is a good place to get some info about it.

    But in my opinion:

    Many PROPONENTS OF a 7/17 Rapture, seem to also follow the FALSE DOCTRINE of : WORKS BASED SALVATION, and that you can lose your salvation, if you don't turn from sin, or if you don't repent daily. RUBBISH!!!

    Many OPPONENTS of a 7/17 rapture, seem to believe in the TRUE DOCTRINE of: We are saved by God's Grace, through our FAITH in Jesus Christ, It is nothing that we our selves do, it is a gift from God, It is not of our works, so that we cannot boast before God, about how great we are. - Ephesian's 2:8-9 - 100% CORRECT.

    Also, the statements of: "No man knows the day or the Hour" , would make a 7/17 Rapture un-biblical, as there are many YT channels and people following their channels, that think the Rapture will happen on July 17. So this is another reason why it might not happen.

    The other side is, there are a lot of people who believe some big event will happen on the 17th, as there are a lot of unusual signs, and seeming confirmation's that seem to be pointing to this date. (whether or not these signs and confirmation's are being given by familiar spirits / the enemy is still unclear, but obviously will become clear very soon)

    Could it be the Rapture? It sure could.
    Could it be a massive earthquake or multiple earthquakes? It could.
    Could it be a storm, or meteorite, or something else? Of course.
    Could nothing happen.. Definitely..

    Me personally, I will be watching today, tomorrow, the 17th, the 18th, and any other day between now, and when I hear that mighty trumpet blast, because we are told, "we do not know the day or the hour", but we are also told "to Watch, for we know not when our master comes".

    I hope this helps you. Blessings. Jordan.

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    1. Thank you Jordan. My name is Carole. I also believe that our salvation is by faith alone. If I commit a sin, however, I still ask God for forgiveness because I want to be at peace in my heart and with the Lord too. Not to be saved again, I already have my salvation, but not to grieve God's Holy Spirit and because I know it's easier to sin again if I do not blame myself for question. I want to walk in sanctification. Thank you for your answer and be blessed by the Lord.

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  17. Be careful - exercise discretion and discernment. Many evangelicals assume their theology is correct and everyone else's wrong. There are many grey areas in theology - that is why it is called theology - spiritual theory. We forget that Jesus did not come to start a new religion...the foundation of all scripture is the Torah, whether we like it or not. Jesus assured us that heaven and earth will pass away before His word (torah) passes away. What we call the Old testament is a foreshadowing of what is to come. Be careful who you label a false teacher - it can come across like spiritual arrogance rather than Spirit led discernment.

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    1. The gospel isn't grey. It's the only message of salvation. Jesus died for our sins (all of them) and rose again. His righteousness is applied to our account through faith. Those in the HRM movement who want to bring us back under a yoke of slavery are false teachers. It's that simple.

      On all the secondary issues there is room for disagreement and grace. Not on this.

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  18. Jesus, the living Word (Torah) did not come to abolish the Law, but to fulfill it (interpret it properly (that was the Rabbis yoke) He said His yoke was easy -apparently, for the believer who only perceives or interprets Scripture through a Western (predominantly Hellinisticor Greek hermaneutics) lens, rather than Hebrew hermaneutics - this is difficult to comprehend. Agreed, Jesus sacrifice sufficiently saves...

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    1. "Torah" means law or instruction, an unrelated word to Hebrew "davar," which is what the LXX and NT authors translated as logos ("word"). Jesus is not the Torah. Jesus is the Torah's Creator. The Torah is subservient to Him and He is its Lord (Mt. 12:8; Mk. 2:28; Lk. 6:5; c.f., Gal. 3:19).

      "...did not come to abolish the Law, but to fulfill it..."

      Exactly. Which is what I said in my article. He fulfilled it **Himself** on our behalf because we can't meet the Law's demands. The Law was explicitly given as an all or nothing arrangement. You keep it all and you're blessed. You break even a single part of it and you're cursed.

      So our path to perfectly fulfilling the Law is through placing our faith in the One who did it for us.

      "...the believer who only perceives or interprets Scripture through a Western (predominantly Hellinisticor Greek hermaneutics) lens"

      Gobbledygook. That's saying something without saying anything. Take for instance Sola Fide. It may have first been systematized in the West because of a unique confluence of 16th-century abuses in the institutional church, but it definitely did not start in the West. Justification by faith alone was taught by Christians in the early Church from both East and West: https://www.apuritansmind.com/justification/the-early-church-and-justification-compiled-by-dr-c-matthew-mcmahon/

      "Agreed, Jesus sacrifice sufficiently saves"

      AMEN to that. And nothing else (:

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  19. AMEN Gary!
    I think the same. Jesus alone can save perfectly. Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them. Heb 7:25 Carole

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  20. Gary - Big thank you for this article. It is so timely with the spiritual warfare taking place that is trying to pervert the Gospel. Any works I do after having believed are the leading of the Spirit. We are created to do good works (Ephesians 2:10), but I don't do them to earn or keep my ticket to Heaven as if that was something my filthy works (Isaiah 64:6) could ever do. No, my belief in Jesus Christ, the Son of God, and His finished work on the cross, paying for all my sins - past, present, and future - is what puts me in perfect position with God and allows me to be with Him forever when I pass or He returns, whichever comes first.

    The jumping to the moon analogy was brilliant by the way!

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